Do I know nothing about Japan?

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having just finished The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami, and being totally confused as the the meaning of said work... i am wondering, is this just because i really know nothing about japan? has anyone read this book?

ian, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This is very possibly my favorite piece of literature.

What exactly was it you were left wondering in the end? I don't mean to imply that there's anything I'd be able to say about it that would somehow resolve it, but I'm curious as to how you were left feeling confused.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Banana Yoshimito makes me feel this way.

anthony, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One of our million Japanese friends doesn't consider Banana Yoshimoto Japanese. Yes, on her passport she is. But still she considers her books to be not part of Japanese culture.
I have a love-hate relationship with Japan. I could never EVER live there but I still go back every year.

nathalie, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I know quite a bit about Japanese history, which I gleaned from a rather wonderful bonus package included with 'Shogun:Total War', another fantastic game. Who says computer games aren't educational?

DG, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Text of e-mail sent by me shortly before posting the question:

why do malta and creta kano suddenly disappear in the middle of the book, never to return? and to be replaced immediately by cinnamon and nutmeg?

what is so terribly evil about noboru wataya? what does he represent? what did he do to kumiko?

why the two little chapters about an eleven year old boy watching the men in his backyard? that's cinnamon, right? why isn't that resolved?

i dunno dude [that part isn't really germaine]

ian, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am trying to think up a joke where the punchline is "That part isn't really Germaine." I can't do it.

Sam, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the joke starts with, Jermaine and his girlfriend were in bed...

ian, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The best Japanese literature comes in the form of CUTIE! For independent gurls! My non-comprehension of Japanese does not stop me buying ridiculously out of date and overpriced imports of it. ITS SO GREAT and gives me IMMENSE J-lust.

Sarah, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sumimasen!

nathalie, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This is bollocks.

nathalie, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ian, I can't give you straight answers to any of your questions, partly becuase it's a while since I read it and partly cause I was left pondering certain things like this myself. I doubt if even someone v.clever could answer them neatly because I don't think the book lends itself to complete exegesis. Did you not get a whole load out of it despite your confusion? I think it's an extraordinary book.

Nick, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I agree with Nick. It's a great book eventhough I read the baaaadest bit whilst hungover on the tube. I very nearly hurled when the Mongolian got to work, if you know what I mean.

Jonnie, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Haruki Murakami is great. I'm reading Sputnik Sweetheart. His work doesn't seem that confusing. I read somewhere that the Japanese national identity has always been slightly introspective and meloncholy. However, this could be a vast generalisation.

jel, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Vaguely relevant ILM thread

NIck, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

five years pass...

Help! I need to send an email to a Japanese chap called Sh1g3k1 M1y4j1m4. Do I address him as Sh1g3k1-san or M1y4j1m4-san?

He called me Lucy-san, which was very nice of him.

Madchen, Friday, 1 June 2007 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2271.html : The Japanese commonly address each other by last name.

(section: Titles)

StanM, Friday, 1 June 2007 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

er... "In Japan, like in China and Korea, the first name follows the family name." - does this mean his first name is M1y4j1m4?

StanM, Friday, 1 June 2007 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

just tell him that you don't know how you should address him and ask him to explain?

StanM, Friday, 1 June 2007 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

i got a letter from a japanese assoc that said 'dear lastname-san'. usually when this guy signs his name it is 'firstname lastname' though i don't know if that is because he is writing in english?

korean dude, however, always has name written out as LAST NAME, first name.

tehresa, Friday, 1 June 2007 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

Agh, furreners. I think I'll call him M1y4j1m4-san and put in brackets that I hope I've got it right.

Madchen, Friday, 1 June 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Whenever I have to correspond with any Japanese contacts I find they usually go for English naming conventions in correspondence with English speakers so I would just say "Hello Sh1g3k1" and not even bother with the -san stuff (I haven't found any Japanese people using that term in correspondence in ze English anyway)

Sarah, Friday, 1 June 2007 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

the Japanese always follow English naming conventions in English, yeah (the Chinese, however, don't). I kind of think it's a little pedantic to use -san when conversing in English, but I am not Japanese so that's just a personal opinion.

jessie monster, Friday, 1 June 2007 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but I've noticed a lot of English speakers in Japan doing it. I thought I'd do the same, as I'd have know qualms about starting an email with "Ciao Mario" or "Bonjour Sylvie".

He's not going to be offended either way, but I have a vested interest in keeping him sweet so a little extra effort will be noticed.

Madchen, Friday, 1 June 2007 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

shigeki is his first name

TOMBOT, Friday, 1 June 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

therefore

TOMBOT, Friday, 1 June 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

there are dinosaurs?

jessie monster, Friday, 1 June 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

I avoid doing this. I would never say Dear Monsieur blabla. I think it sounds cutesy and just...well... wrong.

Nathalie-chan ist in Nihon BTW.

stevienixed, Friday, 1 June 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

*waves*

StanM, Friday, 1 June 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

*stops waving*

StanM, Friday, 1 June 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

address him as Miyajima-san until he gives you an indication to address him otherwise.

Steve Shasta, Friday, 1 June 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

He was being personable and polite at the same time.

How did he sign off his email? What's your relationship?

Super Cub, Friday, 1 June 2007 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

listen to herr shasta. he knows what he's talking about.

tehresa, Saturday, 2 June 2007 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

it depends on your relationship to him. I always think of it like this: if he is close enough to you for you to say "fuck" to him, no need to be polite. so call him Shigeki-san. If you wouldn't, call him Miyajima-san

good dog, Saturday, 2 June 2007 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

i have heard it's patronizing to add the san (in english).

stevienixed, Saturday, 2 June 2007 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

maybe some people might take it that way - probably depends on how good their English is or whether they are in Japan? it does get over that weird hump of calling someone by just their first name or - even worse - just last name when you don't know them that well.

good dog, Saturday, 2 June 2007 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

and i really don't like calling people "Mr Suzuki" now we're all out of high school.

good dog, Saturday, 2 June 2007 09:52 (nineteen years ago)


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