STOP THE SICK BASTARDS AT CAMBRIDGE FROM OPENING THE PRIMATE LAB...

EMBRACE YOUR FATE

Secondly, mate - "28 Days Later" was shit. Yeah, cos animal welfare/ rights types actually go into biological testing areas and release animals... YEAH. COS WE'RE ALL THICK AS SHIT. If you knew anything you'd know that there's only one UK case of a primate escaping into the wild and that was from Huntingdon Life Sciences themselves whose incompetent wankers actually let the thing out. "28 Days Later" was also factually incorrect as testing on chimps and great apes is now illegal in Europe despite the pro-vivisection mobs best attempts to say otherwise.

As for the photo - I don't find that funny and presume it comes from the mind of someone very sick or very ill-educated on this.

Twistin my melon, man

Please stop posting pics of monkeys being tested on.

x-post

*chuckle*

Also, things I find hugely upsetting include assuming someone has a "clear mental imbalance" when what they have is a twisted way of dealing with your posts. If that upsets or offends you, bear that feeling in mind when you jump in with your tuppenceworth elsewhere.

P.S. i wasn't taking the piss out of a epileptics.

also, i am afraid that on a public forum you are going to have to deal with freedom of speech, and people posting things that you find offensive or disapprove of.

C-man

Well, as ever with animal rights types, I get a shiver from that statement -- they key word is 'even,' of course. As is well known, some 'activists' regard mere words as not enough and are quite willing to take their protest further into the realms of human-on-human violence. I'm not tarring Calum with that brush, but, why the word 'even'?

hahaha, as if he didn't know!

If someone posted an anti-Nazi thread and assholes posted pics of concentration camps i think it might upset, you know...

P.S. Human on human violence? I wouldn't have anything to with that, but from what I've seen of undercover footage in these labs I don't exactly cry when I hear Brian Cass has been given a good thump to the head.

also, can any parellels be drawn between those who are violent to vivisectionists in the name of saving animal life, and those who are violent to abortionist in the name of saving unborn life?

Plus, discussion of issues like this (eg vegetarianism, smoking vs non-smoking, stuff that gets ppl riled up)rarely goes well on mail lists and bbs'. The same freedom from real-life consequence that allows you to diss ppl w/o getting smacked down on the floor, as you know would happen irl, is what allows ppl to take the piss when you try to tell people what to think. I dunno, it seems obvious to me.

Calling people 'assholes' or whatever is considerably less effective. The fact that most people here ARE probably against animal testing and you have managed to turn it into a massive struggle on your part is rather amusing.

erm, i didn't just mean on this thread calz. i meant that your posting history has made a serious discussion on this topic impossible - and the only way to fix that is to be nicer on ILX for a consistent period of time.

"History of my posts shows I'm DEADLY SERIOUS about this topic."

indeed. and so people are delighted to have something they can upset you with (I'm not particularly bothered).

again, i'm not having a go at you, i'm just saying.

This is a topic that deserves better than C-Man's inflamed rhetoric, and for that matter, the faux nonchalance of others who are probably only reacting to C-Man anyway.

Anyone up for it?

unfortunately it makes it impossible to talk about subjects like this in public on ilx.

But, sure, fire ahead if you want to take this one seriously, it would be welcome.

bribe the guards at Seaworld, did you?

"£20 gets you half an hour."

"£20 gets you half an hour."

"It was very nice."

I wasn't being facetious about the lab rats. I met that guy. his apartment was stacked with these cages, each of which contained a giant rat from hell. As the last link in an ALF chain (I'm assuming), he had no idea what to do with them. It was kind of funny and disturbing. But a genuine practical problem.

Re: bloodthirstyness. Dan, I was just contrasting that with the better parts of our nature, not actually implying that bloodlust was a part of animal experimentation. Having said that, however, in the stolen video tape from that head injury research, many of the researchers posed with brain injured monkeys, manipulating their limbs to simulate dancing. It was quite disturbing to watch their callousness (interestingly, the theft of this tape was one of the few instances in which a laboratory lost its research grant as a result of animal rights activism).

My own interest in this is that I used to know a number of activists, and it was my girlfriend at the time who received the incredibly harsh jail term. I'm not an activist myself, but it was an eye-opener to see the way the British establishment handled this issue. By nature, I'm a "shades-of-grey" type person, but I do think some pretty awful stuff goes on w/r/t our treatment of other animal species.

The interesting thing is that the people who broke into the lab were tipped off by a janitor and when the people at the science dept. realised what they had in their hands they asked the FBI to track them down as they knew the public should never learn of what was going on...

I think that all vivisection should be banned, it's morally reprehensible.

Yeah, you're probably right in general. But in this particular case, it was pretty much indistinguishable. We shouldn't be naive about these practises, anyway.

C-Man, I don't know enough about alternatives, but vivisection on the face of it sure doesn't make me feel too good. By definition, I imagine most people lie somewhere in between the zealots on both sides, and would welcome some genuine alternatives to using live animals (cell cultures? computer models?).

Also, the rhetoric on both sides needs to simmer down. It hasn't changed one iota since I knew these animal rights activists in the '80s, ffs! And PETA's public image over here is not entirely due to a hostile media spin. Like the ALF, they must share the blame there (i.e./ pic your battles, people).

i also think that berating people for not agreeing with you converts no one. ever.

There are other things apart from this that research is done for, often with great success. Better/safer medications for diabetes, for example - ONES THAT NO LONGER NEED TO USE ANIMAL BYPRODUCT. Funny, that.

Also C-Man, I have only one question whenever anyone brings up this topic - do you eschew ALL pharmaceuticals and other scientific treatments when you are ill because of this stance? If not, please explain how you reconcile being against animals in medical research vs you taking convenient advantage of "someone else" doing so.

Now:

http://www.defeatism.co.uk/chimpinsuit.gif

I don't purchase or use any medication that is from companies that still use animal models if that is what you are asking. And, yes, I've pissed my doctor off royally with that.

P.S. I'll get back to you on the diabetes thing but as far as I know animal models have not been used in many cases of finding cures for this, but I'd need to double check my facts.

What the everloving fuck?

Sincerely, Nate

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3432531.stm

That's what I fnd disturbing.

Best Calum thread ever

28 months later

I actually care more about the fact that amongst an intakle of 11,000 Cambridge University currently contains just 74 black students.
-- Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, January 12, 2004 4:49 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

75 now.

Lewis Hamilton has truly changed the world

black people hate Cambridge.

Massachusetts?

http://www.mtv.com/news/photos/g/grammy06/parties/goodmusic-kanye.jpg

Kanye's printer needs new ink

Best Calum thread ever

-- Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 July 2007 10:11 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

RONG. Sleeper thread on ilm w/calum/julio epic flamewar or MSP thread (not started by cman admittedly) w/unbelivable stfu-pwnj of cman by ally are better.

The problem with that thread is that although Calum gets pwnd, he gets pwnd by someone advocating MSP as a great band

You may be on shaky ground yourself a bit with that assertion, Dom.

calum never mentioned pazz and jop as far as i'm aware

"If you want to fuck a dolphin mate then be my guest"

LOLOLO

I used jimmy mod's "makes yacking hand motion" thing on a mail list a couple of times a year or so ago and got the smackdown from the list moderator for it, haha.