Is there something faintly absurd about spelling 'rhythm' as 'riddim'

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I ask you, my ILX 'homies'...

The Oxford English Dictionary, Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

arrr

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

It depends on which rekkid.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I assumed that 'riddim' is mimicking a Caribbean accent, so as a middle-class white guy I sort of avoid it. I may be wrong though.

Jonathan Z., Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Eek a mouse am I ever staying out of this one!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't "riddim" apply specifically to Jamaican rhythm patterns which are recycled again and again?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't know you could use it as synonym for "rhythm".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Let the riddim hiddim!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It seems to be legitimate terminology, though 35-year-old white middle class graduates deploying terms like "riddim" and "dem" in their writing (a) is boring and (b) is directly responsible for steering people like me away from things like grime, rather than towards them; much like the I-Wish-I-Was-Black ethos of the mid-'80s NME when (s)language was similarly misused/abused.

Phoebe Dinsmore, Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Because let's face it chaps, we are not down with the kids (except maybe for Luka), and the kids are in fact laughing at us, not with us.

Phoebe Dinsmore, Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't 'riddim' pretty much an official technical term for dancehall beats these days?

This doesn't stop me feeling a tad silly for using the word myself, though.

(xpost)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Not again!

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N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Tuomas and Matt are right

oops (Oops), Thursday, 15 January 2004 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

worst argument ever

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 January 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

yup yup yup

cybele (cybele), Thursday, 15 January 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

VS Naipaul occasionally writes in the Carribbean vernacular (see "Tell Me Who To Kill"), but never with misspellings, just the odd usages and a lot of 'vex'. It works for him...

andy, Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

I love this word. Scrabulous don't.

Michael Dudikoff presents Action Adventure Theatre, Friday, 19 October 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

OED says:

A musical rhythm, esp. in the context of reggae music; (now) spec. a recorded rhythm track usually consisting of a bass melody and basic drum beat, often sampled from one song and used as the basis for composing another.

1975 Daily Gleaner (Kingston, Jamaica) 10 July 18/2 "The hard-driving Reggae score..includes the tune ‘Ringo Riddim’." 1988 Los Angeles Times (Nexis) 10 June VI. "21 The five-piece unit continually locked into slithering, rock-solid riddims." 1993 Vibe Sept. 84/1 "They elbowed their way into the deejay fraternity, mostly..by paying them indirect homage via answer tracks em ‘counteractions’ to men's hit songs, recorded on the same riddim." 2004 Touch Mar. 102/2 "A pleasant enough light-hearted gal tune jaunt over a riddim that is actually a little tuffer than it might first appear."

Is there an earlier citation than 1975?

Billy Dods, Friday, 19 October 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

If, as it appears, there is a useful distinction between a 'rhythm' and a 'riddim', then there is nothing absurd about using the more exact word, or spelling it as it is customarily spelled.

If, otoh, there is no standard useage or general agreement on what distinguishes a 'riddim' from a 'rhythm', and no useful distinction can be conveyed by using the non-standard spelling or pronunciation, then it should be regarded as a dialect variant of 'rhythm', useful only when one wishes to write or quote that local dialect.

Jeez, do I have to explain everything to you guys?

Aimless, Friday, 19 October 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)


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