Dumbya Visits Atlanta

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... and all hell breaks loose.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

see also:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/2763417/detail.html

from the ATL indymedia

from Atrios

Kingfishee (Kingfish), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

one of the many outrages wr2 this "visit" (dumbya is really in town to attend a $2K/per fundraiser):

Local leaders also criticized the short notice of the visit, which conflicted with other King holiday events.

The MLK March Committee, a group of area civil rights activists who knew King, has worked for months on a human rights forum at Ebenezer Baptist Church, across the street, which was planned to run all day.

Organizers said they initially were told to conclude their event early for security reasons, but the Secret Service later agreed to allow the event to proceed as scheduled.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

....because every time he shows up somewhere, everyone else's freedom of movement is restricted, for 'security' purposes. I've seen this happen in Chicago a number of times now.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"Free Speech Zones"

Kingfishee (Kingfish), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

like when they locked down all of london a couple months ago... who paid for that btw, the uk?

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, they're the ones who invited him.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, they didn't:

The King Center for Nonviolent Social Change said it extended no formal invitation to Bush but accepted his offer to come.

he invited himself. (though IMHO they should've told him that he wasn't welcome.)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I was referring to his trip to the UK.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, sorry about that.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

who paid for that btw, the uk?

Depends on whether he was asked to come, or if he invited himself. Either way, taxpayers foot the bill. The only difference comes from which side of the pond played the host.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I misread this thread title as:

Dubya Visits ATLANTIS!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

well, dumbya SHOULD be put underwater.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Trident-wielding mermaids and mermen alike, outraged by visit.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

The King Center for Nonviolent Social Change said it extended no formal invitation to Bush but accepted his offer to come.

Did they ever extend a formal announcement to President Clinton?

Does anyone else? Not that other presidents have whored themselves to the King family or anything.

As far as I'm concerned, every damn sitting president should be kneeling at the grave of King at least one time in their career. I don't give a shit whether they are invited or not. It's the least they can do for arguably one of the most influential, important Americans of all time.

don weiner, Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"Boy, do I hate that guy!"

http://isxios.home.mindspring.com/images/poseidon.jpg

Poseidon (vassifer), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

the answer is no, Clinton never got an invite. He just showed up, too.

don weiner, Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope he visits Elvis's grave too.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer otm.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

did anyone protest Clinton's visit (whether or not he was invited)?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't there dude, but knowing the type of nutball wingnuts that live around here, I'm assuming there was at least one Bible-beater trying to get some camera time.

don weiner, Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

hail atlantis, indeed!

http://www.standingstone.com/donovan/downtown/closeup01.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Worst picture of Johnny Cash ever.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway, re the invitation thing (which i, admittedly, brought on myself) and whether or not clinton was also "not invited": if yer really welcome at a joint, then the issue of whether or not you were "invited" is at best an afterthought. it only becomes an issue if you took a shit in the punchbowl.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Worst picture of Johnny Cash ever.

Humor me and tell me that you're joking, May.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Eisbar my friend, I ask you: who gets to decide who's welcome, anyway? Is there an application for a sitting president? A checklist of political payoffs that must be met before approval is sanctified by the civil rights industry? Just because no more than 10% of African Americans are going to vote for Bush doesn't mean that the president should avoid paying respect. I think we all know that if Bush didn't commemorate the occasion of King's 75th birthday that there would be hell to pay. This the right thing for the president to be doing, and that group of protestors is just as opportunistic as Bush is, if not moreso. I've lived here for over ten years and I've never seen outrage over the way white pols down here troll the black churches on Sundays prior to the election to remind folks that they feel their pain. It's disgusting.

don weiner, Friday, 16 January 2004 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Bush could pay better respect to King's legacy through the legislation and regulations to which he lends his support. and i think that the fact that he could only get 9% of the Black vote in the past election speaks quite well to that issue.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 16 January 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Getting only 9% of the vote is nothing new for a Republican presidential candidate, so I don't really see that as a telling statistic at all.

Which legislation and regulations exactly should Bush support in order to respect King's legacy? King has been dead for 40 years. How are we supposed to know what King would have supported? Or are we just supposed to trust...Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or Kweisi Mfume? Or if Terry McAuliffe comes up with some bills should Bush sign on to that? I mean, who gets final word on who speaks for the King legacy in this country? Condi Rice or Colin Powell? Clarence Thomas? Walter Williams? Don King? Willie Brown? Jay Z? Or should it just be some sort of majority vote deal, where Bush polls some issue and if the majority of African Americans vote one way, then that's the way Bush should vote. It's kind of a specious argument, unless you think that Bush's refusal to vote for whatever the NAACP tells him to is some form of bigoted/racist behavior.

Besides, I think we all know that unless Michael Jordan is on the ticket, no Republican is ever going to pick up more than 10%. Paybacks being a bitch and all.

don weiner, Friday, 16 January 2004 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer otm.

*reviews thread*

But Tracer didn't post?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned I'm ALWAYS otm. It's like a background to all things.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh right. Carry on.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I've lived here for over ten years and I've never seen outrage over the way white pols down here troll the black churches on Sundays prior to the election to remind folks that they feel their pain.

I was reading this article in the NYT about the Clark people giving the candidate a wardrobe change and speculating on what else they could change in order to "educate" women who weren't warming up to the General. It made me queasy, and then I thought to myself, aren't there lots of people who feel like they get this treatment every election? I heard Dean criticizing the way lots of Democratic candidates pretty much wait til the last weeks and then expect black leaders to organize a massive GOTV effort on their behalf.

Also, I hear so many MLK quotes in speeches and I think, how many of those speechwriters thought about what was being said, and how many pulled out a book of quotations? There's a study waiting to be written on the quoting of King in contemporary American political discourse. (If it has been written please someone let me know, I want to read it ASAP.)

I think George W Bush has as much a right as anybody to pay tribute. But I do think there's a real dissonance with the fact that he proceeded to a $2,000 a plate fundraiser immediately afterward.

daria g (daria g), Friday, 16 January 2004 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Gee, I wonder if Karl Rove had anything to do with this?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 16 January 2004 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

In answer to Don's question, Jay-Z. Obv.

sym (shmuel), Friday, 16 January 2004 05:50 (twenty-two years ago)


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