Moving to the US - more specifically, NYC!

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I went to NYC last year on holiday, and came to the conclusion that its the finest city in the world. Should I want to move there from jolly old blighty, (a) is it a lot of hassle, now that all foreigners are trying to blow the place up, and (b) is it as expensive living there as is always made out?

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 16 January 2004 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

yes and yes, but do it anyway

stevem (blueski), Friday, 16 January 2004 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

going somewhere on holiday is a good way to find out if it's a good place to go on holiday. Go anyway, what's the worse that could happen?

run it off (run it off), Friday, 16 January 2004 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

The worst that could happen is that I run out of money, can't get a job, can't afford to live, and end up living in the gutter like a common pygmy.

But you're right, it'd be a laugh. I just don't want to even consider it until I know its feasible - which is where the knowledge of the ILX massive comes in.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 16 January 2004 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, you'll just have to wait a few hours until they wake up :)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 16 January 2004 10:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd add_how do I obtain a Visa to work there legally? this is the real question...

francesco, Friday, 16 January 2004 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

they're bringing back American Gladiators purely for this purpose. Visa acquisition dependent on how you fare against Thor in the large inflatable hammer fight over pit of (rubber) snakes

stevem (blueski), Friday, 16 January 2004 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

You may still be able to register for the Green Card Lottery...

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Friday, 16 January 2004 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, why move to NY when you can stay in the UK and watch Sex in the City, Friends and Seinfield. It's just like being there but without the hassle!

run it off (run it off), Friday, 16 January 2004 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

New York is expensive.

But there are beautiful women everywhere, you can get beer at most any hour of the day, there's plentiful pizza & burritos, and there are some good record shops.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 16 January 2004 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

well done, you win the "first american awake" prize :)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 16 January 2004 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

from Spin City:

"you are the Mayor of the most important city in the free world! Chicks dig that!"

New York, just like I pictured it!

run it off (run it off), Friday, 16 January 2004 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

it seems most people here hate the current mayor.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 16 January 2004 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

the quality of the mayor is unlikely to influence Johnney B's decision.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 16 January 2004 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Tell us, Johnny B, what IS likely to influence your decision? Maybe we could comment on that?

run it off (run it off), Friday, 16 January 2004 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Johnny are you a heavy smoker?

stevem (blueski), Friday, 16 January 2004 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

if the questions on the card I had to fill in when i went to the US have not changed since 1987, the pertinent questions are:

Are you a drug addict?

Do you wish to overthrow the government of the US through an act of violence?

Were you involved in the atrocities committed by Nazi germany and her allies 1939-45?

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 16 January 2004 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Influencing my decision will be (a) whether I can afford financially to live there (what kind of income will allow me to get by) and (b) what kind of rigmarole goes into moving, and indeed working, in another country?

I'm not a heavy smoker, so if they have banned fags within 100 miles I can live with that. The thing that bowled me over was the quality of pizza in NYC compared with dodgy old Oxford - good cheap pizza is a major plus point.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Living anywhere but Manhattan will be waaaay more affordable. Students can get by, so you can too.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Students can get by, so you can too.

yes, but remember to take student loans, jobs (requiring legal status), and parental subsidies into account.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

you win.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

My experience may not help you. I lived there on two consecutive one year O1 (or 'celebrity') visas, helped by the fact that I was recording for BMG and interviewed on NPR. I shipped my stuff from London via Allied Pickfords for a couple of thousand quid, rented an apt. in Manhattan the size of a box room for $1200 a month, and had to sell CD-Rs to Other Music to make enough to eat. But I found that UK 'creatives' were in high demand in NY in, eg, advertising. So although it costs you a lot to live there, your capacity to earn shoots up too. This was, however, mostly pre-9/11, which has hit those industries hard. Some of the Eurotrash 'creatives' I knew there are now living here in Berlin, for economic and political reasons. (In fact, for all the same reasons 'creatives' fled from Berlin in the 30s.)

One piece of advice: never, under any circumstances, get sick in the US.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

O1 VISA PETITION REQUIREMENTS
...
3. Evidence that the alien has received a major, internationally-recognized award, such as a Nobel Prize, or evidence of at least three of the following...

Momus (Momus), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(By the way, I had the best two years of my entire life. If London says 'Who do you think you are, fucking Cinderella?', New York waves a wand and tells you 'Cinderella, you shall go to the ball!')

Momus (Momus), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh , Momus.

I moved from the UK to the USA earlier this year. My advice to you would be to find a girl you love more than life itself and marry her. That's what I did. Otherwise, you're shit out of luck unless you have a company that will sponsor you or a skill (like Momus', I guess!) that transcends nationality and borders.

With the new laws passed last week, you now stand very little chance of illegally outstaying the length of your visa/visa waiver, as I did in order to see my then girlfriend on a few occasions, and may well never be let into the US again for 10-15 years.

Also-dealing with the American Embassy just after 9/11 was a total nightmare, and it's unlikely to be any easier right now.

Also-I lived in New York for 6 months. What a great city, but if you have no way of getting paid, it will eat you alive within weeks.

Darcus How? (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 January 2004 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

you now stand very little chance of illegally outstaying the length of your visa/visa waiver

Correction. With the new laws, I don't think there are even visa waivers anymore.

And I meant last year, obviously.

Darcus How? (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 January 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

There are still visa waivers for UK residents. But new requirements for biometric passports complicate the issue:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3378717.stm

Momus (Momus), Friday, 16 January 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

And if other places than NY appeal, check the minimum wage laws in various US states. Avoid Kansas and Alabama. Head for Alaska and California.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 16 January 2004 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Alaska is the next California!

Trust me on this...

Darcus How? (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 January 2004 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(In fact, for all the same reasons 'creatives' fled from Berlin in the 30s.)

I know what mean, Momus, but isn't it overstating the case just a bit for the sake of the neat NYC/Berlin parallel?

(xpost)

Ebony Orgasm, Friday, 16 January 2004 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Kansas' min wage is $2.65! That's obscene. I'm sure cost of living is relatively low there, but damn.

oops (Oops), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Avoid Kansas and Alabama

Momus in failing to understand how America works shocker (not that $5.15/hour isn't ridiculous)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 17 January 2004 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

For the good of the rest of the people who live in New York, and America, stay out.

Contrary to popular rumor, the streets are not paved with gold.

ModJ (ModJ), Saturday, 17 January 2004 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't think the streets were paved with gold, just with fun!

But sounds like expensive fun to me. Hmm, better get an international trade first. Where did that C++ traning manual go . . .

Johnney B (Johnney B), Saturday, 17 January 2004 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

NYC is its own city-country-state or at least acts like it. Something else to keep in mind. For example, here in Washington state, we "only" have a sales tax and a federal tax. (no state tax nor city tax).

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 17 January 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Thing is, my best friends here in Seattle (a couple) have been looking for programming jobs in NYC as they were almost dead set moving to Brooklyn, but apparently NYC is kinduva dry market for programming jobs I here. Is that true? Any tech geeks here who currently live in NYC?

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 17 January 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

*insert joke that NYC is a dry job market for everything from someone in NYC who doesn't have a full-time job*

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 17 January 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, the thing that people seem to forget is that you actually have to LIVE here, which means eating and sleeping and commuting and dealing with everything else that goes with it. It's different from any city I've been in, and it just seems like many people here on this board (not singling anyone out) seem to think we lead such glamorous lives. We don't. Going to NYC half-assed is a sure way to ruin two months out of your life -- those two months before you realize you don't have the gears to hack it.

ModJ (ModJ), Saturday, 17 January 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Bring back Mayor Koch!!! etc.

God, what is wrong with the immigration people these days? I thought they couldn't get any worse than they used to be pre-9/11 but mein gott! I was nearly refused entry and I *have* a green card! At least I didn't have to put my finger on the little pad thing and stare at the light. ::shudders:: But the second INS guy did actually apologise for what a twunt the first INS guy was.

Uh, yeah. Living in NYC is great. Believe the hype. You can do everything, but you just have to give up sleep.

the river fleet, Saturday, 17 January 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

I realised today that this is what I want to do. Not joking.

i wouldn't call myself an indie kid! i may be deluded (acoleuthic), Friday, 11 December 2009 23:53 (sixteen years ago)

We welcome you with open arms.

ian, Saturday, 12 December 2009 06:34 (sixteen years ago)

wkiw

mookieproof, Saturday, 12 December 2009 06:37 (sixteen years ago)

you can go to see soccer (we call it soccer) games with laurel!

ian, Saturday, 12 December 2009 06:37 (sixteen years ago)

I just think the place would suit me down to the ground. All I have to do now is throw out some feelers, get some sort of employment lined up, get a visa, finish my MA, find some accommodation, and let 'er rip!

This was spurred by a conversation with a 27 year-old dude cut from similar cloth to me. When discussing my life-directions and how I don't want to be routed just yet but wouldn't mind something invigorating to keep me ticking over, he said 'this may sound weird but have you considered moving abroad' and I said 'yes, to America' and he said 'I thought you'd say that, from what I've seen of your personality NY is your city' and I was all 'whoa! otm' and then we talked for ages as the seed sprouted

half bran half triscuit (acoleuthic), Saturday, 12 December 2009 06:54 (sixteen years ago)

I knew someone from uni who was from the UK who you remind me of (like your cadence and speech patterns online match his to a tee) and NY suited him very much

囧 (dyao), Saturday, 12 December 2009 07:11 (sixteen years ago)

also you and sarahel would be that much nearer each other

mookieproof, Saturday, 12 December 2009 07:21 (sixteen years ago)

Do it while you're young! Getting employment & visa lined up will be the most time-consuming on your 'things to do'. I mean, depends where you want to work. But allow a lot of time... (I speak as someone who's just moved to the US from a nice settled down life in the UK)

Not the real Village People, Saturday, 12 December 2009 07:24 (sixteen years ago)

So you're saying, if I aim to move next year, I should start preparing around now?

Haven't felt this excited about anything for weeks tbh. The dream's gotta happen. I'll do any decent work that pays tbh. Apparently the US has a slightly kinder jobs market for hyperliterate arts graduates. I could finally be that copywriter I've always dreamed of becoming! Ha! Either that or I could do some media work...

half bran half triscuit (acoleuthic), Saturday, 12 December 2009 08:17 (sixteen years ago)

lj my old agency was owned by a british conglomerate and we had a fair # of british ppl working in the nyc office ~ its a longer time horizon but mb consider brit companies w/ny offices? iirc having a co sponsoring your visa makes the process much much easier

THE SAIYANS ARE A PROUD WARRIOR RACE (Lamp), Saturday, 12 December 2009 08:38 (sixteen years ago)

hmm - it's a possibility, although i'm not so keen on following that path - if i have to, i will, but i'm not sure i have to

*awaits harsh reality*

half bran half triscuit (acoleuthic), Saturday, 12 December 2009 08:51 (sixteen years ago)

haa yah i know you sd you wanted to move next year just no the ny office is hiring and they love brits so

im just p risk averse - never wouldve moved to nyc w/o a job already lined up - but its def doable

THE SAIYANS ARE A PROUD WARRIOR RACE (Lamp), Saturday, 12 December 2009 09:01 (sixteen years ago)

surely it's possible to get employment by sending out feelers like 'i am brit MA student with A++++ grasp of the englishes language and i want to move over AS SOON AS i graduate because i am IMPULSIVE and HEADSTRONG' to decent NYC companies and provided i show a little experience they may be all 'holy mackerel all we needed was a wordy brit how has it taken us this long to realise!!?' and hurrah i can get schmoozing the immigration bureau

half bran half triscuit (acoleuthic), Saturday, 12 December 2009 09:07 (sixteen years ago)

On the Dole Again: A thread for out-of-work/unemployed/laid-off Ilxors in 2009

tehresa, Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:08 (sixteen years ago)

fine. i'm staying here. and rotting.

dyaaaow (acoleuthic), Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:10 (sixteen years ago)

You kind of blew a good chance by going to grad school in the UK. Immigration options are not great, you probably won't qualify for H1-B although now is a really good time to try. Best bet is working for somewhere in the uK can that can H-11 you over but you have to work for them in blighty for a year before that kicks in. You are probably not diverse enough for the diversity lottery (british citizens are almost always excluded). YOu might be able to cook something up on J-1 or one of the training/exchange/ internship visas. Anyone you know you can hit up for an entourage visa?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:14 (sixteen years ago)

hay man have u ever been to ny before jus askin

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:15 (sixteen years ago)

ed: bah, fair enough. jho: no, amazingly enough, the money's all been on my worthless piece-of-shit education

dyaaaow (acoleuthic), Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:17 (sixteen years ago)

yeah i mean, a transition to ny is extremely hard even for someone who doesn't have all the immigration issues to worry about. i just thought you should read that thread bc there are tons of out of work people with tons of experience in the liberal arts/english/writing/editing world. not to discourage your dream and all but...

tehresa, Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:18 (sixteen years ago)

Actually, Ed, if I research what you're talking about, I'll be doing my damnedest. Cheers for letting me know those things! :)

i knew why you posted that thread tehresa. i think i'll be able to find work somehow. maybe.

dyaaaow (acoleuthic), Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:20 (sixteen years ago)

well ny is awesome and i totally endorse it - might be worth a visit before u take the plunge - of course yr visit will be nothing like living there

anyway ill take u to a subterranean sake bar if im around

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:20 (sixteen years ago)

yh nice but the thing is a glimpse that is subsequently whisked away wd actually hurt more. i always was delusional. if i hadn't listened to boring british people telling me to take boring shitty career-paths i'd already be there. maybe.

dyaaaow (acoleuthic), Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:23 (sixteen years ago)

im enjoying yr enthusiasm it def has its merits if youre willing to roll w/the punches once reality descends - def if u have any connections at all that could arrange work/visa pursue them completely

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:26 (sixteen years ago)

Justin3 originally came over on some kind of exchange thing and may well have some advice, I can't remember the category.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:26 (sixteen years ago)

i am under no illusions that things cd be tough, and as for arranging a visa, i will let my course directors know. there is a chance they could help me quite a lot. it's an internationally-renowned course with a huge international student faction. ok i withdraw the 'piece of shit education' line, i was being emotional

dyaaaow (acoleuthic), Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:28 (sixteen years ago)

also welcome to the world of USCIS, SEVIS, CBP, DHS and the like. I kind of wished I had followed through on this kind of idea straight out of school, so I wish you luck in this.

Foreign correspondents visa could be a way to hook this up, but I have no idea what the terms are and whether you'd be able to pick up work in the US or have to be entirely reliant on money shipped in. Of course you probably need at least a nominal organisation to sponsor you. Another option is checking with the fulbright folks and seeing if there isn;t some kind of grant or award relating to the journalism field that would be able to get you over there with your foot in the door. (also check out any kind of exchange scheme your uni may have).

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:32 (sixteen years ago)

why cant we jus let people into our country and then get let into their countries already

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:33 (sixteen years ago)

i mean start w/canada see how it goes

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:33 (sixteen years ago)

i will teach u how to blog

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 December 2009 22:34 (sixteen years ago)


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