Do your local newspapers talk about local bands?

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Recently some of my friends in bands have been complaining that the local press doesn't cover local bands. This is more or less completely true, but I have suspected that it's true everywhere -- but before I go any further with that thought, since I certainly haven't lived everywhere: Is it true? Do your local papers talk about the local scene much?

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Mine tries to. But I think you knew that.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

smallish town so not a lot to talk about but yeah actually, there's a weekly arts column that probably talks about local musicians about every other week. Oh, and the university newspaper will usually do even more coverage.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yup. ALL the time.

Darcus How? (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes to the exclusion of anything else.

Darcus How? (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Mr. Vampa, admittedly the question wasn't directed so much at you.

Teeny, where are you again?

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a secret!

Darcus How? (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Where do you live? Maybe all the local bands suck ass.

andy, Friday, 16 January 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a secret. email me and I'll send you a link to the column.

haha xpost!

teeny (teeny), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Not the good ones, typically.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Mostly just The ACE Weekly, but occasionally (especially in the Friday weekend section) the larger official local press will run stuff about 'em. There's also a few independent and university publications that'll do it too. There's pretty good support for local musos here.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I live in Portland. We do not suck ass.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, they definitely do (at least the free weekly), but not as often or as well as I would like.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

in defense of local whatevers that don't, it is a lot more work to cover bands that don't have press agents.
I've noticed a lot of weeklies also use a fair amount of out of town music writers, so there's kind of a zippo chance for local bands. Which is a damn shame, cuz the weekles, ideally, should be leading the charge.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

that first one isn't an excuse, but sloth (or at least lethargy) seems to be a key component of something.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, yeah, I think part of the problem is that local bands aren't all that good at working the press. They don't write press releases, they don't give the papers much lead time, half the time it seems like shows are organized a week before they happen -- which is fine, but don't expect a cover story in the local paper.

Also I think local bands fail to realize that they are a constant presence in the community -- and thus not really "news". Whereas when a band comes to town, that's exciting "news". So Sleater-Kinney, for instance, will get much bigger press when they play anyplace other than Portland. (Or why my band got good blurbs and articles in Vegas and Canada but not much in Portland.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

But should they cover local artists just *because* they're local? Even if the local artists suck? Which most of them do, everywhere? I've never understood the blind scene-boosterism thing. Which isn't to say that alternative weekly music sections (a faily large one of which I happen to edit) shouldn't keep readers up on what's going on locally, obviously. That's (part of) their job. But in all my years reading alt weeklys, I've always noticed a tendency in the OTHER direction -- Too much space given to local hacks who deserve none.

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course, the bands THEMSELVES who don't get written about never agree with that, because they expect the alt weeklys to provide them free advertising. And the sucky bands never KNOW they suck, of course. So they often think they're getting the short end of the stick (or the paper is "biased" or falling for "hype" for liking other bands more than theirs), which is usually bullshit.

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

They do tend to cover local sports teams no matter how much they suck.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

They do here, but it's Seattle. However, I remember the Tampa papers covering Tampa bands a lot...

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The only other data point I have is from when I lived in New York, which obviously doesn't quite count...

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

do you mean weeklies or regular daily newspapers? because our daily newspaper doesn't talk about shit except the counting crows.

the weeklies have gotten better although a year or so ago they paid way too much attention to non-local bands. they reversed course on this.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, sports teams are, uh, somewhat different, since there's usually only one playing baseball or football or whatever. If there was only ONE rock band in Portland, I assume they'd get written about now or then, right? (And I bet the only eskimo music band in San Diego doesn't get written about any less than the only curling team there.)

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

tips for getting local press to pay attention to you:

1. Call them, email them, bring them muffins and invite them to your shows. Don't ask for a write-up right away, and don't get your hopes up too high that they'll show up, but make sure they know you exist.
2. Have something to talk about. Yes, it's great that you're in a band, and that in and of itself is interesting to you and your friends. But almost everyone a music writer knows is in a band, so that's almost beside the point.
3. Have a purpose. If you're releasing a record, your chances of getting a write-up have just tripled. Maybe you're heading out on tour, that's newsworthy too. Last show ever, awesome. First show in years, even better. Bands play shows, that's what they do, like Cas says, not really news.
4. If you have a cd, make sure your local music has a copy. It can be a burned copy or whatever, but give him/her a hard copy, don't email them a link to your MP3. Include as much information about the band as possible.
5. Creative/abstract/poetic press releases/bios are delightful, but frivolous. Music writers want facts. They need information so that they can a) tell their readers stuff, b) figure out what sort of questions they're going to ask you. Don't give it all away in the press kit, but give enough to make 'em curious. The p.k. (esp. if you're not well known) is your chance to direct what sort of press you receive, to lead the writer's curiosity in a specific direction. If there's something you don't want to talk about, DON'T put it in the p.k.
6. As a species, music writers love free booze. Even if we just moonlight as music writers after 9to5ing as a $60k/yr exec. Free booze makes us feel special. We remember free booze.
7. Be persistent but not pestering.
8. Don't expect continuous coverage. Most of the time you'll have to wait about a year between write-ups, unless something VERY interesting happens.
9. Don't suck. Even a regular-style journalistic article on a band implies endorsement to many readers, and music writers have this quaint notion that their readers find them "credible." They're wrong, but it's an essential delusion. So don't be a shitty band and wonder why you're ignored.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Both -- I'm more speficially talking about weeklies, since our daily (and our semi-weekly) is impossible.

That is the only thing I've ever read that has ever made me want to move to San Diego.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

In Chicago there's a lot of press in the Trib and Suntimes about local acts, but they focus a lot on the major label local acts. I remember the Smoking Popes being called one of the best bands in the world by Kot and DeRog when they were in their, er, "heyday". This is usually at the relative expense of the really terrific independent scene there, i.e. Neko Case, Mekons, Edith Frost, etc., who don't get nearly as many write-ups because the papers are busy howling about Wilco.

Of course the Reader compensates for that incredibly well.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

>>tips for getting local press to pay attention to you:
1. Call them<<

Wrong.

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

That advice is probably not true in New York, but it's certainly good advice in more human-scale cities like Portland or Regina. (Or at least, it's been very successful for the people I know who've tried it here.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

>>If you have a cd, make sure your local music has a copy. It can be a burned copy or whatever, but give him/her a hard copy, don't email them a link to your MP3. Include as much information about the band as possible.<<

This is very true, not to mention completely obvious, and it's amazing how many bands don't think of it. I will NEVER go to your website and download your song. Why should I do your work for you?
(And if you DON'T have a CD, MAKE one. These days, it's easy.) (Also, don't expect me to come down to the lobby so you can HAND your CD to me {much less expect me to invite you up to my office so you can play it for me, or sing me the songs]. Just mail me the damn thing, and let me know when your show's happening, and then shut the hell up. Do NOT call me and ask when you're going to be written about. Do NOT call me and ask for the address of the paper. Do NOT call me and ask if we cover local bands. Do NOT invite me to your show when I haven't heard a note of your probably boring music. Pick up a copy of the paper, okay? And pick up next week's. Or go to the website. If we write about you, you'll see it there. If we don't, you won't. Period.)

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

So if you didn't understand before why I left New York and why I dreamt of Regina, well, now you do, Horace.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm the rock guy at one of the local weeklies.

how to get attention:

1. do not suck
2. feed me booze.
3. see #1

Kingfishee (Kingfish), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, only call in smaller centres. Even then, email or regular post is WAAAAAAYYYY better. Regular post is best, because music writers get a million emails like everybody else, and so a regular letter will actually get read.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, one thing about the Voice is that if a band from Regina comes through here, they have pretty much the same chance of getting a good preview as a band from New York, if they do what they should do before the show happens. (Though the bands from New York play more OFTEN, of course, which does increase their chances that way.)

Oh yeah, another hint: Don't send your CD, like, three days before the show happens if you want a preview blurb to run in the issue before the show. Give us time to LISTEN to it! So much of this is just common sense, you know? But again, you'd be amazed how many bands shoot themselves in the foot, and then blame the paper for it.

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

This helps

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ART/ART211/COL020.jpg

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I delete emails from bands I never heard of before. (Well, actually, I forward them to the listigs department, but I don't READ them.) Snailmail is by FAR the best way to tell me about a show, especially since I can associate your show with the CD you send me.

The $$$ thing is totally a myth, at least here. Major label bands, even bands signed to indie labels, have no more chance than bands who just put a CD out and do publicity themselves, if they're any good.

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, so then the other question is, shouldn't journalists be out prowling their local scene looking for stories, rather than sitting at their desks reading press releases?

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, does it help if they post on ILX?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Our local free weeklies cover the local music scene all the time and are pretty good at it. Of course, I live in Detroit, where everyone is a scenester.

webcrack (music=crack), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

>>shouldn't journalists be out prowling their local scene looking for stories, rather than sitting at their desks reading press releases?<<

Who says they can't do both?? Or that they don't do both? (I go to bars all the TIME at night, just to see who or what music is there. And also because I like to drink. Hell, sometimes I take my MAIL to the bar, and read it WHILE I watch unknown bands. Who usually suck.)
During the day, though, when you're putting a paper out, sitting at your desk is somewhat mandatory to a certain extent, don't you think?

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish. If I was on salary instead of freelance and made a living (not even a decent one) I would do such a bang up job of covering the local arts scene in general.
As it is, I still do frequently initiate contact with local bands (though not all that often, but often enough), and hey even non-local bands, would you believe I had to go after Buck 65!?! (mind you I'm the lesser of two music writers here, so his label probably did solicit the other guy, but we're not exactly two parts of a well-oiled machine.)
But I'm not solely responsible for the local music scene. I can't carry that weight.
These days, even "real" journalists rely mostly on p.r. people (who are mostly human beings, despite what you hear) and news releases.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post times several

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, anyway. I'm in agreement these whiny bands aren't doing enough to get themselves noticed -- they're not sending out press releases, etc,. -- but the other point of my argument, that most local papers don't write about the local scene that much, is apparently wrong. Maybe Portland is an espeically difficult place for a local band to get press.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Seattle is a human-scale city, and bands calling you is still a bad idea.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

okay, yes, don't call.
unless you know them.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

leaving a voice mail to alert writer to incoming press package would be acceptable, right?

teeny (teeny), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I had to be forced to turn my voicemail on after holding for over two years!

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

email email email email email ONLY.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

haha that's one way to get around things. I do wish everyone would send email, I'm really starting to hate the phone. (haha xpost matos)

teeny (teeny), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

And cool things at Christmas/New Years are always welcome. I got some funny cards and a bundle of fortune cookies!

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Arguably one litmus test for whether you're in a human-scale city or not is whether you can call your newspaper and talk to the reporters or not.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i.e.: Just 'cause we don't stumble on your band doesn't mean we're not hunting. But it helps to give us some REASON to hunt in your direction.

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

be like a Batman villain and LEAVE CLUES!

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

God Matos, that sounds horrible in a way. I feel guilty that I don't have enough time to devote to the, like, 10 cds I get a month...remind me not to envy professional music writers. Also I may have e-mailed you at one point to see if you got a cd...um, apologies!!!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

What sort of coverage are you looking for? In the case of the Washington Post, gig reviews for local bands are usually written by stringers who are sufficiently interested in the artist to pitch the review to the editors. In this case bands should identify which of the usual suspects might be interested in them, and reach out to them -- send them the press kits and promo CDs. Or if the band knows someone who can write and understands their scene, they might encourage that person to contact the editors about writing an article. The writers will have to disclose the nature of their relationships with the bands, but the editors should be receptive to a well-written, reasonably objective piece.

That said, if the artist is the sort of fratboy bar band that thinks they're down with hiphop, funk, and Dylan, put down the instruments and back away from the microphone.

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, everyone loves a good scavenger hunt.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Batman villains, traditionally, always leave clues, ostensibly because they savour "matching wits with the Dark Knight Detective" but really because they crave his attention and want to be caught.
Just don't beat my youthful ward to a pulp with a crowbar.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

no, it's perfectly OK to email reminders about CDs, or to ask if you've listened to something. but don't get too up in arms if you don't get a reply, because (a) we get lots of CDs and (b) we get even more email. and office jobs being office jobs, meaning there's always lots of nonwriting/editing shitwork involved, it can get overwhelming at times. that's just a fact of the business.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Watch it Vampa, I don't trust you around my Batman anymore.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I am unhealthily obsessed with Batman (but only inasmuch as he is based--despite the overused Zorro--on the Count of Monte Cristo). And chicken fingers.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

mmm . . . chicken fingers

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, honestly, in general, email spam doesn't really bother me mush, and definitely doesn't bother me as much as phone calls; deleting spam of all kinds is pretty easy, and i've always been annoyed by people who complain too much about it. still, you really should assume that spam IS what i'll see your email as, if you have a band.

on the other hand, if you did send me your CD and I DID listen to it and like it, there's a good chance I WILL email you back and tell you that, and maybe even give you a few addresses of other writers who might like your band to send your CD too. That actually happens fairly often, actually. almost every day. Just don't EXPECT it to happen; it's definitely way more the exception than the rule.

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I once read an interview with David Lynch where he says that he ate only chicken fingers for dinner for over a year.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Which journalists come off like that? I don't get this at all. There are TONS of interesting stories out there, and I get anywhere from 50 to 100 CDs in the mail every day; why should you assume that we'll find you more interesting than anything else?

Bands have been told to make the reporter's life as easy as possible, including:

* coming up with how to describe the songs
* figuring out which songs are the "key" ones
* coming up with a good pitch
* and a host of suggestions for etiquette for dealing with reporters

Now, (and again I'm plalying devil's advocate) to someone outside of journalism, most of these fall under the categories of "writing" and "researching", which are traditionally thought of as roles that the reporter should have, not the subject. (Again, I'm playing devil's advocate -- my day job is at an environmental group, and I'm familiar with having to pitch those stories to reporters as well.)

My point is that a reporter giving advice on how to make reporters' lives easier can easily come off as reporters trying to weasel out of their work.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

that's too much, but I haven't eaten all day, and if this thread hadn't been so interesting (to me at least) I probably would been home by now a munchin' away (I actually had chicken fingers for the first time since university for lunch yesterday, so they're on the brain!).
But I felt like this was probably the most productive I've been on ILX in a long time, and that's good, so thanks all.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I could see eating chicken fingers every night for a month, maybe.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

you are, of course, absolutely right. ATTENTION BANDS: From now on, send Chuck, Teeny, and myself all your songs you have ever recorded, with NO INFORMATION WHATSOEVER so that we can ferret it out using our hard-earned reporting skills. we will know your music is worth listening to using same. thanks for enlightening us, Chris!

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"My awesome powers of telepathy say . . . THIS CD of the two-dozen I have recieved today is worth listening to. I know this because it's the one where they didn't bother to tell us anything. Thank god--now I'm able to put my reporting prowess to work!"

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(actually, Causitry's posts have pretty much answered the thread question)

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Easy Tiger, he's playing Devil's Advocate.

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I will even do that WITHOUT A SENSE OF SMELL TO DISTINGUISH YOUR CD FROM ALL THE OTHER ONES IN MY PILE!!!! Because I'm a GREAT reporter!!!

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Devil's Advocate or no, his position is so remarkably extreme it basically has no basis in reality

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

And yet you're complaining about all these bands that don't seem to have considered the actual working life of a reporter! So I can see where it's unconnected to reality that way!

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

This is less like trying to get a demo to an alt-weekly writer and more like trying to get a script to Michael Eisner.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

it is very rare for the local newspapers here to talk about local bands until they've actually made it and play homecoming gigs (Radiohead beeing the prime example).

Most of the local papers - the ones you buy and the freebies - are owned by the same company here in Oxford, so even the mentions of bands in the "what's on" section tend to be the same in all of them, where they occur at all.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

and obviously, since the only suggestion I made was that phone calls are a bad idea and email a good one (just not the same one over and over again please), I must have made all the points you enumerate upthread. oh wait, most of them were made by different parties. whoops.

obviously bands/artists who want publicity are encouraged to send CDs/email or whatever. that's how it works, and it's a good idea, especially if the bands/artists are good. but if you're going to, haha, "play Devil's Advocate" by (a) blatantly ignoring the fact that anybody who's ever been to a record store knows what a glut of product there is out there, especially now and (b) therefore failing to figure out that since music writers typically--not always, not even most of the time, but especially in the case of people who work at newspapers and magazines, typically--get a lot of this stuff in the mail to begin with and would then probably be glutted with potential review/preview/profile-ables, you're ignoring reality. Quick: how many musicians work at and/or frequent record stores? Answer: Lots of them! If not most. Where does the difficulty in making that connection lie?

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to say that there is a reasonably good free gig guide - Nightshift - which can be found in a lot of local pubs and record stores (even the big corporate record stores like Virgin and HMV). But the crucial point i suppose is that this is preaching to the converted - I look forward to the next issue coming out and look out for it, whereas Joe Bloggs wouldn't.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway my advice to my fellow musicians is to curry favor with journalists by bitching them out on web boards.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

haha!

seriously, Chris, I want to hear the next great band as much as anybody. but it can be extremely difficult to know when that's going to be, or who it is, and if I'm not given certain basic information I'm a lot less likely to find them. if that means asking you to tell me which tracks to listen to (again, not my suggestion originally, but not a bad one), I'm not ignoring my duties. if anything, it's the opposite.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

even where the local press is receptive to new music it is still open to accusations of bias e.g. why do you talk about indie all the time and ignore local hip-hop ect ect.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

The difficulty, I think, is that it requires you to sit down and think about "a day in the life of a music journalist" and how you, as someone who wants something out of the journalist, should work yourself into that. I'm not saying it isn't somewhat obvious, but I am saying that a lot of bands don't ever think about it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway as long as you're not confusing me with my straw man, then we're all good.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i.e. it indicates a little more involvement to say "where should I start?" than if I were to just say "oh just send it along and I'll get to it later"

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

no, I think I know you(r posting style) better than that

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.illlogic.net/images/japan2002/a-big-big-straw-man-6-18.jpg

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoa, Dan Perry! is that Forcefield?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Our local paper talks about the shopping centre, post office closures, school league tables, trams and stuff like that.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the Shopping Centre! That first EP of theirs is dynomite. But Trams are hella overrated. Don't know School League Tables, what are they like?

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

not as good as stuff like that.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 16 January 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

My city's newspaper does a thing about local bands every week. This week's profile is on Capsule Theory. According to the article, their members' influences include Garth Brooks, Puddle of Mudd, Linkin Park, Lynyrd Skynard, 311, Led Zeppelin, and Korn. The picture shows two fat rednecks, one with a backwards baseball cap, piecrings and goatees, and a skinny dork in a zildjian t-shirt. The thing is, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING BAND EVER FEATURED IN THIS ARTICLE LOOKS, SOUNDS AND TALKS LIKE THIS. They always claim the same influences as well. If you ever wondered where crap like Creed, Nickelback, and Puddle of Mudd come from, here you go. STOP THE CYCLE, PEOPLE! DON'T SUPPORT THESE FUCKING BANDS!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 January 2004 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry about that post I was venting. Just tired of all the shit my area (Greenville, SC) turns out.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 January 2004 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmm, great thread actually!

God Matos, that sounds horrible in a way.

It is, both in a joking ("Shucks darn, all this free music!") and deadly serious ("...and most of it will FUCKING SUCK.") way.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 January 2004 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

if you ring up the ODT and say you want a press release you can pretty much get one. the telepaths have had our photos in twice now

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 18 January 2004 05:17 (twenty-two years ago)

my mum has our newspaper articles stuck on her fridge

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 18 January 2004 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

All bands should go to Dunedin for press! I will selflessly tag along to drink all the beer and see everyone again and not do any work to ensure all goes well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 January 2004 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

uncross that line. its the dunedin way mate!

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 18 January 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

YAY I AM OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE BY THE HARBOR MUDFLATS

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 January 2004 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

fuckin a. but thats harbour with a u

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 18 January 2004 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I AM OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SPELL THE QUEEN'S SCOTTISH WEE KIRK SETTLERS' ENGLISH

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 January 2004 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

bump

Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Monday, 19 January 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)


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