Sanctimonious ex-smokers

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Even worse than sanctimonious non-smokers, and basically no better than the 'reformed' ex-communists of the 1950s (Muggeridge, Spender, Amis). I don't want to become one because it was they who kept me smoking, in part: I kept smoking to deny these fuckers their miserable kicks.

So I am a pro-smoking non-smoker, and if that changes then i shall have to be forced to smoke.

Why is smoking still, in this day and age, such a stigma? We can accept all types of difference, yet there are still those bigots who refuse to live in the 21st century -- and they've had their way with Dublin and New York already.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't forget Moose Jaw!

― Huck Everlasting (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

why are people who decry sanctimony so, um, sanctimonious about it all the time?

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The smoking stigma is because it's a habit which actively impinges upon the people around you.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoa, lighten up there, Thomas!

― Huck Everlasting (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude's been dead for almost 500 years Huck, what do you expect?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

No, Thomas, stay that way -- my post was clearly 100% meant seriously.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Taking sides: Sanctimonious Ex-Smokers vs. Bitter Ex-Catholics?

― The River Kate (kate), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

DOOD GET A SENCE OF HUMMER GAWD

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I just issue a pre-emptive Bazza Lasazza calm down request?

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I like bitter ex-Catholics best!

― Graham Greene99 (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

What's Bazza's beef?

MINCED HARHARHAR

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Bitte ein Bit!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

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TOBACCCCOOOOOOO!!!

― andy, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

smoking is a stigma because it smells horrible, bothers people's breathing, makes their clothes stink, and is horribly selfish to those who might care about you and don't want to see you die of lung cancer. and I say this as an ex-smoker. I don't usually get sanctimonious about it though.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

What Anthony said. It's so, so simple.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

from the "vegetarians who smoke" thread:

"Why is killing yourself more OK than killing farm animals?"
-sundar

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

All this is true, but cigarettes are seductive--designed and promoted to be so on many levels--and nicotine is a serious addiction. I haven't smoked in almost seven years (coming off a one-time two-and-a-half packs a day habit) but I think I manage to avoid sanctimony by never considering myself superior. After all, if they came on the radio at 2 p.m. and announced that, in fact, all the research was wrong and cigarettes don't kill you, I would be on my way to the corner store by 2:05.

― Lee G (Lee G), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Cigarettes only kill about 400,000 Americans annually, and I imagine most of those are old people who smoked cartons of Chesterfield straights while working at the asbestos factory.

If you don't smoke more than a few a day, you might not die of cancer.

― andy, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

If I could smoke and only smoke a few a day, it wouldn't be a problem. With all due respect and perverse admiration for those who can do so, for me that's like saying "Heroin's fine for regular use, just don't get hooked."

― Lee G (Lee G), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I have not run into many sanctimonious ex-smokers. What I hate are people who've never tried it - they've never lived! It makes me wonder what else they're denying themselves from ever knowing. Tis better to have smoked and got cancer and died etc.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate smoking because its so hard to stop, and you think about it all the time. I am an ex-smoker.

I like being able to smoke, and i like smoke-filled bars. I dont mind coming home smelling bad...in fact, i expect it.

Im pro-choice.

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Spencer is right though, i hate people who talk shit and they dont even know whats going on. This is applicable in many other cases as well.

I was in -nam, i know the deal.

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Im reluctant to get rid of my donkey-butt cigarette dispenser. Conversation piece.

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

What I hate are people who've never tried it - they've never lived! It makes me wonder what else
they're denying themselves from ever knowing

You hate me? *cries*

(I have very personal reasons for not smoking and not ever trying which have to do with dead relatives and what killed them, so no offense but I think I'll decide to not live on this point.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Correction: I hate *when* people do that. I dont *hate* them.

Ok?

But nagging sucks regardless. Whether its my mother or possibly even you, Ned.

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I hate the sin, not the sinner.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Dont hate the player, hate the game.
//insert dope beats here//

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm with spinktor. used to smoke. stopped. don't give a shit about smokie bars. and think people should be free to so if if they so please.
anti-smoking legislation is b.s. - if there was such a huge demand for non-smoking establishments, there would be more.

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"I have not run into many sanctimonious ex-smokers. What I hate are
people who've never tried it - they've never lived!"

Spenzah, I lurv ya lots, mang, but that is the stupidest thing you've ever posted.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously he was being deadly, deadly serious there.

― Allyzay, Thursday, 29 January 2004 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

HI!!!! I AM READY FOR LOVE AND THE CHATTING!!!!

― Martim Arce, Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I gave up smoking two and a half years ago, and according to my smoky friends I have six months to go before I start getting sanctimonious about it. Most of my smoky pals are fairly understanding. They stand outside the apartment if they're going to smoke, they try not to smoke near me, and that's all I really care about. But just as people understand that alcoholics don't like to be around people who are drinking, smokers should understand that it's often uncomfortable for ex-smokers to be around them.

The only thing I'm sanctimonious about is people who light up in non-smoking areas. I never did that when I smoked and I don't see why other people should do it.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Recovering alcoholics, I meant. Not full-blown, still-in-the-throes alcoholics. They tend to like being around people who are drinking.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

spencer, cancer is not a joke and shouldn't be treated as one.

Personally I have never tried smoking and do not consider myself a lesser human being for not doing so, just as I do not consider myself a bad music writer because I happen not to like grime. I would probably prefer it if people, if they had to smoke, could smoke things less boring than cigarettes (i.e. legalise less boring things to smoke) but...why does everything have to end up either/or?

I also think that the sanctimonious non-smokers riff was done to perfection by Bill Hicks. Who died at 32.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't smoked for four and a half years and I'm still not sanctimonious abt smoking.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Hicks died of pancreatic cancer I think

― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously he was being deadly, deadly serious there.
-- Allyzay (hesright...), January 29th, 2004.

Well, you never know, he's only half serious as far as I can tell. Just doing my friendly neighbor man duty, miss. It's just that I am TEH sanctimonious ex-smoker deluxe and I took great offense to this thread. Will you be my friend, Ally?

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Thursday, 29 January 2004 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

The cigarette is a small penis substitute.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 29 January 2004 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

4 weeks without a fag, and one FAP survived. Have started to get post-fags cough. The stain on my finbger has gone. I'm enjoying no fags a lot. Allen Carr - you're my hero.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 29 January 2004 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

lighten up

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― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never murdered anybody, yet i'd rather people not go around commiting homicide, even though i'm sure it's thrilling.

It's nice that you like smoking and don't mind getting cancer, smoke all you like - it doesn't make you a better/worse person - just don't do it near ME and make ME unable to breathe and give ME cancer. It's like farting in public, but sticks to your clothes and more toxic.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 29 January 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

WOW! What a tough crowd! I was going along with what I perceived to be a light tone about this thread, but I will admit that I was being half-serious. I am indeed a bit curious about people who have *never* tried a cigarette - I'm very happy for them, but I wonder, do they have something against occasional bad behavior, transgression, breakin' tha law etc?

Also Marcello, I'm sorry about your loss. I was lurking back when all of that happened and it was very upsetting. I could say that one can't legislate humor, or that all humor has an element of offense, but I'm sure that would just irritate you. It was basically a self-deprecating remark inclusive of fellow smokers who should know better, but light up anyway.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 29 January 2004 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Also Ken, your post is hysterical.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 29 January 2004 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I am indeed a bit curious about people who have *never* tried a cigarette - I'm very happy for them, but I wonder, do they have something against
occasional bad behavior, transgression, breakin' tha law etc?

I like pretending I'm transgressive, though. It goes along with my pretending I have a sense of humor. When I HATE YOU ALL. Er, wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 January 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to be a wicked smoker from the 60's-early nineties. Since then, I've watched my Dad suffer with emphazema and my Mom have 22 treatments of lazer radiation for throat cancer, My Dad still smokes. My Mom quit almost twenty years ago. After the treatments, my Mom was left with rheumatoid arthritis (every joint in her body) That's why I have her with me. She can't live alone. Some of you here are correct in thinking that nonsmokers give smokers a hard time....With reason? Maybe we care about you.

― Gale, Friday, 30 January 2004 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

taking sides: sanctimonious ex-smokers vs. sanctimonious ex-fat people

― sucka (sucka), Friday, 30 January 2004 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

taking sides: buttery and delicious vs. *cough*

― Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 30 January 2004 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The cigarette is a small penis substitute.
-- Momus (nic...), January 29th, 2004.

The sanest thing I've read all year. Truly, Momus, you are a beacon.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

French fries are small penis substitutes, too. And they smell better.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

hey man if i want a substitute for a small penis i'll have cocktail franks thankyouverymuch

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

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