Longshot: anyone here know Sage accounting software? :-(

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Because I'm just getting to grips with it and could _really_ use some help!

mei (mei), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

My mum is pretty handy with it. That doesn't help though.

___ (___), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I know how to kick users out of it, that's about it. That really doesn't help unless you want to annoy and frustrate your colleagues!

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I use it, what dya want to know.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

(And I guess it depends what system you use. I use Instant Accounts (version 5.0). I am by no means skilled and it is rubbish at doing our VAT, but I can find my way around it.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

*looks around*

*decides this thread is going to go over head*

*leaves*

___ (___), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I have used it before what is the problem?

Davel (Davel), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm having a bit of trouble with what 'debit' and 'credit' mean.

Okay, this is probably very basic, but it also seems to be a bit counter-intuitive.

It doesn't help that the manual I have, for "Line 50 version 9" seems to contain a mistake on the page that explains this very basic and fundamental concept.

Page 36 of the user manual says:

A debit will show in your accounts as one of the following:

1. An increase in the value of an asset.
2. A decrease in the value of a liability.
3. An item of expenditure.


A credit will show in your accounts as one of the following:

1. A decrease in the value of an asset.
2. An increase in the value of an asset
3. An item of income.


I've put in bold the word that I think is wrong, I think it should say 'liability' rather than 'asset'.

Am I just doing something really stupid?

mei (mei), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

You are right the asset in bold shoul read liability!

Davel (Davel), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Indeed it should say liability. A dictionary would tell you that mind.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

What normally confuses people about debits and credits in accounting is that they are the opposite way around to what is written on a bank statement. I.E. if in sage you were to debit your bank balance then this would be a good thing. But a debit on your bank statement is a bad thing!


I can give you a few pointers if you need, just let me know what you need top know. My knowledge of Sage is a bit rusty, but accountingwise I am pretty good.

Davel (Davel), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

(Well of course a bank account is written from the banks point of view so their D's & C's are the right way around...)

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Dave and thanks Pete. I needed re-assurance because I'm new to this and I find it amazing that such an obvious error should be there in the manual for such a fundamental thing.

The bank accounts things is also used in the book, which mentions thatSR and CR appear the other way round on your bank statment, because it's done from their point of view, not yours.


mei (mei), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, I meant DR and CR!
See, tricky!

mei (mei), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
*Bump*

Another quick question if anyone can help, please.

We have a customer who is also a supplier.

They've just invoiced us for a service they did for us, but they still owe us (a far lower sum) for something we did for them over 6 months ago. Is it standard practice to sum the two amounts, so we just pay them the difference?

(I'm in the UK if that makes a difference)


Thanks!

mei (mei), Thursday, 5 August 2004 08:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi! You can definitely contra the two, but best just to let them know that's what you're doing. Perfectly fair accounting practice, although they might shout about it.

PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 5 August 2004 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Wow. 18 months since this thread was active.

Okay, can anyone help with this...

I have some entries showing up in the bank reconcile window for cheques we sent out over a year ago. It's obvious that whoever we sent them to either didn't get them or has lost them somehow before cashing them.
I'd like to get rid of them from Sage, what's the best way to do that?

(Does anyone know of any good online FAQs, tutorials or forums for this sort of thing? All I can find are adverts for books and courses.)

mei (mei), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

There's a reason it's called Sage! Becuase it's arcane and mysterious and no one knows how to use it, except the wise old Sage at the back of the accounting department!

Kate Classic (kate), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

Unfortunately I'm the only person _in_ our accounting department!
heh

mei (mei), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Two ways to do it, just delete them on Maintenance (under File) and use corrections, search for the amount and then delete the original file. HOWEVER, personally I would only do that after year end and make a note as part of the accounts.

Alternatively you could make an adjustment posting on the Bank Reconcile window, and write an explicit note in the details that it is for an uncashed cheque. Clearly you still owe whoever lost the cheque and if their audit trail comes barking you will have to cough up, so it is is vital you have details on what you did.

(This is for Instant Accounts version 10).

Pete (Pete), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Pete, I don't want to delete anything so I think your second solution would be best. The adjustment posting in the bank rec window I should make would just be the opposite of the cheque? So a receipt of £10 say to cancel out a payment of £10 (and the two will reconcile to zero).

What nominal code should I use? I think the amounts of the un-cashed cheques are unlikely ever to be claimed, they are for companies that have long ceased trading, which seems to me to make them like the reverse of bad debts. Do I need a nominal code something like the opposite of 'bad debt provision'?

(My Sage is Line 50 version 9, which I think is very similar to yours)

mei (mei), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

I just use 9999, Adjustment postings. Its clear why you have made the adjustment, so its only tiddly amounts so should not cause too much of a profit'loss issue.

Alternatively you could put it as an income (which is sort of is) and invent code 4999, Uncashed Payments if you want to bolster profits. I do the former, but I also put tiddly bank rec errors of .10 in there so you might want to flag it seperately.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for that.
I've found a note of our auditers which has a bearing on the above, so I'm going to consult them too before doing anything - and now I'll know what I'm talking about!

Found this forum that seems quite useful:

http://sageforum.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=1

mei (mei), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
I'm still struggling with this damn program!

The manual's useless and I have two text books that only describe the simplest, most run-of-the-mill tasks. Everytime anything unusual comes up I'm stuck again.

How do people learn this? The books I have are rubbish and the only training availible seems to be odd one or two day courses, wheras I think I'd need something alng the lines of an A-level to get to grips with it.

And I still can't find any forums dedicated to it (other than Sage's own) or useful FAQs.

Is this some kind of secret society?

mei (mei), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

im considering enrolling for a course in sage. does anyone know useful it would be in terms of finding work afterwards? are there any other accounting courses i should know or can just knowing sage be good enough?

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 11:29 (sixteen years ago)

sage is prevalent enough for it to have been included as part of my business degree a few years back, but i can't tell you any more than that i'm afraid.

DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 11:32 (sixteen years ago)


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