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okay i just wrote a letter to the council tax and somehow i turned into a 1930's posho!!!

here's that letter in full:

Tracer Hand
XXX XXXX XXXX
London SW2


L4mb3th Council T4x
Ol1ve Morr1s H0us3
18 Br1xt0n Hill, London SW2


Dear Sir or Madam -

In reference to account number XXXXXXX:

I have been remiss in providing you with details of my living situation pertinent to the collection of council tax on the flat that I rent. Please allow me this opportunity to correct my oversight.

I am attending a master's program in international journalism at City University. Therefore I believe that I am exempt from collection of council tax in Lambeth, or indeed anywhere. Please find attached, by fax, a letter from City University which attests to my status there.

Please let me know if there is any other action I need to take to make my exemption official with the council.

I think you're a fine council and I appreciate your services.


Sincerely yours,

Tracer Hand


haha i mean wtf?? it just happened as if by magic. do you have any letters like this, where you just adopy some kind of tone out of nowhere? i think the most common phantoms to inhabit our mundane correspondence are "revenge served cold" - that's a good one - or "excessive courtesy masking utter contempt"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I TOTALLY do this. It feels good!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

that's awesome!

I think you're a fine council and I appreciate your services BUT FUCK YOU I AIN'T PAYIN'.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

That last letter I wrote to Comcast was titled "Your Wretched Administration"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

no sucking up to the council, please. It's quite unseamly.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

By the time you got to the '"you're a fine council and I appreciate your services," you were taking the piss, right? Anyway, I'm not sure if addressing a council in the second person isn't a bit wacko of a non-1930s bent.

You should sign off with "I remain sir/madam, your most humble colonial subject"

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

this happens with almost everything i write.

xpost - i LOVE using "i remain."

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

people do tend to suspect you of not being quite serious, though.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

You might like this thread, lauren.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I got a letter the other day (opened it, read it, it said they were suckers etc.) which said that for the last 13 years they've overcharged me (or rather, my flat) for Council Tax as the flat should have been Band C instead of Band D. This has been backdated to 1993. Does this mean I should have a wodge of cash coming my way (or at least the cash from when I moved in at the end of 1999)?

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I would have thought so, yes, unless it said at the bottom of the letter "ha ha, and there's nothing you can do about it".

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you'll find that's already taken care of in clause 24 (b) iii) of the Council Tax Bill 1991, Nick.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Then again, you might have to accept extra council services in lieu of cash. Free swimming pool pass for life, Alessi wheelie bins, that sort of thing.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you're a fine council and I appreciate your services.

I'm not keen on referring to organised bodies as 'you' myself, but I do love/hope that you did indeed pen the letter as Tracer Hand - you should've included a link to ILX though, with the strapline 'overpowering the miserable stench of life' or summat.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

omg ilx letterheads are urgent and key

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, between me getting money back from the Internal Revenue and Mark with this council tax, and Tracer with his note writing, what is going on here? Maybe letterheads are a good idea for everyone else trying to tangle with the government! We're organised and we know what we're doing and we are GOING TO GET OUR MONEY BACK FROM YOU!!!

(Imagines us striding down Whitehall singing that to the tune of Vindaloo)

::shudders::

(Well, except for Damien Hirst at the cash machine.)

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a beautiful letter!

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

though, I guess you have to draw the line if it starts sounding too much like Of Montreal lyrics.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I always read my letters FROM the bank outloud in a very poncey pre-29 banker's voice. I usually mime twirling a moustache at the same time.
"Dear Mr. Le Buck,
It has come to our attention..."

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I want Tracer to write my letters.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, I've just realised I need to write a similar letter to the council about Sarah (a student) living with me - and now I have a wonderful template!

I am, Tracer, your humble servant,
Mark.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I love this thread!

and the letter!

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i hope tracer really signed it "tracer hand"

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I talk like this all the time. Maybe that's why I get such funny looks down the dog track.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

When one is confronted with such a necessity as corresponding with one's local council over matters of mutual concern, it behooves one to adopt a formal, rather than a personal, tone. A personal tone is more appropriate with your friends, family or at the local public house than when addressing the local authorities.

In regard to your channeling a "1930s posho", I would observe that the formalities of life do not change with the speed or readiness of popular fashions, so that in using a formal voice, you must shape yourself to the tradition rather than otherwise, and this tradition does indeed reach back through many decades to the 1930s and well beyond.

I congratulate you on your mastery of this necessary skill and convey my sincerest wish that it may continue at the pitch of perfection to which you have so obviously brought it.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer is a foppish dandy, bent on confounding the local constabulary!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Zounds, the game's afoot!

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

ALL IS KNOWN. FLEE.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this where Ned-speak comes from?

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Huzzah! Yes, verily it is.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

This always happens me, in fact it used to happen me at the oil company office last summer on the phone, I'd get really into discussing things which in reality I knew nothing about. It never ceased to amaze me how many big business sounding people presumed that due to their wealth and status whenever they rang an organisation they'd invariably be instantly speaking to the boss, so many times it'd be like

Businessman: "And how's business round your way"
Ronan: "I guess we can't complain, at least not in this climate"
Businessman: "Well this is it, I imagine your industry doesn't take any prisoners"
Ronan: "You know yourself, what you lose on the swings you get back on the roundabouts"
Businessman: "Well I'll let you go now, but I'll get back to you on that? What's the name again?"
Ronan: "Ronan Fitzg*rald"
Businessman: "Well thank you Ronan, I'm John Average"
Ronan: "Don't hesitate to let me know if you've any further worries John, that is what we're here for, afterall"
etc etc etc

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.ohnoez.com/

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 10 June 2004 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

When I'm really pissed off with someone who has called me at work I start using all these pretentious words I never use any other time. Once I was having a really heated conversation on the phone when I said "If you want to take umbrage with that then I suggest you speak to head office" when I came off the phone all of my colleagues were wetting themselves.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...
Dear xxxxx,

I would like to speak with you about the work you did for your book, "xx xxxx xxx." I'm currently completing the master's programme in international journalism at xxx xxxxx in London, and my dissertation is about what journalists ought to do when they realise that racism is part of the story they're covering, but their interview subjects stonewall them with "well of course I'm not racist," or variations thereof. I feel that you could shed some light on the psychological aspects of this behavior, which would be beneficial to journalists hoping to improve their stories and their interview techniques.

I would like to talk before January 10th, if possible, by telephone. I won't take up more than 15 or 20 minutes of your time. You can email me at this address.

Sincerely yours,
[Tracer Hand]


Dear Tracey Handywandy,

Had your email addressed me prorperly, not assuming that you, whom I do not know at all, could use my first name (spelled wrong), and had it shown some politeness, for example by beginning with: "Dear Dr. xxx-xxxxx, I hope I am not intruding upon you by asking you for the favor of a brief telephone interview. I am a journalism student in the master's programme..... etc.," then I might have agreed to your request. But, as it is, I don't want to.

I am bothering to tell you this, rather than ignoring your email, because you do not realize that you are not thinking about how to do the journalist's business of contacting potential interview subjects. You are not putting yourself in the place of a busy professional person and asking what is the right way to approach her. I figure if you have not given thought to this matter, then you are not ready to give thought to the very much more complicated matter of racism in interview situations. So I cannot help you with that. But I hope you will take it in the right spirit that I am trying to help you with the first step you need to take to in order to do a good journalistic interview: think about your interview subject, and about how you want to be viewed by her, even before you set up the interview.
Best wishes, xxx xxxxx-xxxxx


Dear Exalted Honoress,

Thank goodness my apparent impertinence, and your lengthy detailing of it, has vouchsafed me the blessed luxury of not having to suffer through whatever it was you had to say. I am bothering to tell you this because I am pathetic and have nothing better to do.

Best,
[Tracer Hand]

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 06:05 (twenty-one years ago)

hey tracer, you may (or may not) wanna get a mod to xxxxx out your real name.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I just posted to the Admin board about it

i feel that my response wasn't quite cruel enough.

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

nah, it was beautiful.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"vouchsafed"!!

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 06:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Yours in Truth!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 06:28 (twenty-one years ago)

it's tough because some people respond a lot better to letters that are right to the point, and some people evidently want a handjob at the beginning. i want to grab their attention right away, putting the name of their book in there, no faffing about. but maybe i shouldn't begin these letters with "i would like.." - perhaps it is a bit rude, by classic letter-writing standards. otherwise get a load of this lady, my lord!! i almost really went off on her in detailed fashion. i think i had a sentence about her "perfumed bum" or something.

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

haha and totally undermining my jab by going on about it on an internet discussion board. oh well. i really was telling the truth there.

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

haha classic go tracer!

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

it's tough because some people respond a lot better to letters that are right to the point, and some people evidently want a handjob at the beginning. i want to grab their attention right away, putting the name of their book in there, no faffing about. but maybe i shouldn't begin these letters with "i would like.." - perhaps it is a bit rude, by classic letter-writing standards.

I don't think so. It is to the point, but not in a rude way. A truly "busy professional person" usually has better things to do than read through a bunch of flowery bowing and scraping, in my experience.

Leon the Fratboy (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought it was pretty presumtuous rather than rude. i say presumptuous because it didn't consider how convenient it was or wasn't for her and simply detailed hat you wanted/needed and when you wanted/needed it by. if you'd have said that her help would be much appreciated and that you hoped she could fit in the interview within the constraints of your timetable etc it would have read a lot better. personally, if i was in a bad mood i'd have ignored an email like that, too. wouldn't have written back to admonish anyone, though.

stelfox, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Stelfox OTM. You were abrupt and over-familiar, and, as he said, you demonstrated a depressing naivety when it came to getting what you wanted. People will give you their time when they feel they get something in return, even if that something is mere politeness and gratitude. I'm afraid you're the one who comes out worse here, Tracer.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

No way, that dude was a total cock.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

then again, i do find letter writing much more fraught with cause for potential offence than speaking to people.
you can be familiar iand even a bit demending in person *if* you're friendly and approachable and smile.
write it down and you lose all the incentive for the other person to help you out - hence the need to explicitly show you give a shit about *their* situation.
i do really want to know who the letter was to, tho, coz her response was a little over-the-top and schoolma'amly

stelfox, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

But at least what to say in a letter is much more formaalised than what to say in person - on paper everyone starts off equal, after all. Tracer had certain "rules" ("Dear Dr xxx-xxxxx", for example) that wouldn't have been hard to follow, but missed pretty much all of them.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah, we're definitely in the right here. i'd have deleted the mail without reply on all but my most cheerful and benevolent days (and they don't happen too often)

stelfox, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Dave and Mark are essentially correct but that's really the greatest response back ever, Tracer. Here's hoping she doesn't hunt down your advisors and try to get you in trouble, though.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

dan i thought of that but there's no way i can get in more trouble with my advisors than i already am

"her help would be much appreciated and that you hoped she could fit in the interview within the constraints of your timetable"

haha as opposed to what?

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

as opposed to "i want this and i want it now"

stelfox, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Tracer you shouldn't have started with "Dear" because that is for moms and fags

If she considers herself a 'busy professional' she has just put way more time and thought into her response to you than probably would have been taken up by 15 minutes on the fucking telephone. What an unbelievable cunt!

next time put "this message sent using my Blackberry Wireless Motherfucker" at the end of your request, you will impress shallow insipid bitches more that way

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, fuck that nonsense. I agree that she likely took more time in her attmpt to dress you down than it would have for her to just have given you the damn interview.

sugarpants (sugarpants), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I do think that "Dear First Name" was perhaps not the best way to go. I think e-mail has made us less likely to use formalities, which I personally don't have a problem with, but I can imagine certain older folks getting worked up about. Best not to take the risk, I suppose. That said, the rest of your letter was fine, and I believe you even addressed the matter of inconvenience at the end when you said you wouldn't take up more than 15 minutes of her time.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear Tracer Hand,

Suppose you had written to an African-American scholar asking her for an interview about a book she had written on race relations, but using her first name (spelled wrong) and starting off with a statement about what you want rather than one somehow acknowledging that you were aware that she is a busy person, who would, to meet your request, have to make time, be at a phone on a specified date, etc. She would read your email with the same annoyance that I did but with the added thought that you were racist –why else would you ignore the social convention that says people (including professional people) do not use first names until they have been invited to or until they have come to know each other and the first name basis has evolved naturally? She would just hit “delete” unless she thought it worthwhile to instruct you. I am sorry that I did not manage to convey to you, or convince you, that attention to detail and attitude (involving psychological understanding of context, roles, etc .and tact) are crucial to the art of the interview, which begins with the art of setting up the interview. Instead, you got angry and assumed that I had disrespected you. And that kind of escalation –annoyance to anger—is what happens in all the instances where a detail bearing a race meaning trips a wire. Just the sort of thing you are trying to study. My reply may have been too didactic, and its annoyance too obvious, and I should rethink that; but you might rethink your reply as well.
Best, xxx xxx-xxxxx


Dear Dr. xxx-xxxxx,

You're right; my reply was unbelievably sophomoric. My annoyance and anger found a voice because I felt that you stepped outside our transaction to point out the fact that I had broken the rules. I suppose you felt justified in this because I had, in your mind, already stepped outside the bounds of the normal with my familiar address. In any case it's quite interesting to see how people behave once they feel that they are no longer governed by a particular formal transaction. And a bit depressing, too.

Reporting requires that one throw oneself into the affairs of others, and it can be difficult to know what will work. You may be surprised to learn that a formal and courteous introduction will bore many busy professionals to sleep before they've read the substance of the email. And email has a different mode of address than a written letter; first names are common, for instance, even between strangers. If you were aware of these things, you might not have scolded me so brazenly. Like you said, you don't even know me.

But all the same, I appreciate you taking the time from your life to have this discussion with me, and perhaps the profit lost concerning the substance of my hypothetical interview with you has been replaced with another kind of profit. Your point about an African-American, or a woman, who has a long memory of being treated too-familiarly by colleagues or students, is well-taken, and I must admit I hadn't thought of that in the context of my letter to you.

My best,
Tracer Hand

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow dude, that's kind of awesome!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

You should send a "now that we're bestest friends, can I have that interview?" message full of smileys and ASCII rainbows.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

She would read your email with the same annoyance that I did but with the added thought that you were racist

this person is full of crap! fite someone better

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

She actually isn't necessarily full of crap; I know plenty of of people for whom an unwillingness to figure out how to spell their name is a racially-based mark of disrespect.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Journalists be BORED OVER THE HOLIDAYS.
I should start assuming it's racism when people call me 'Miller'

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TOMBOT, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it's ridiculous to categorise that as racism Don.

xpost

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

hey that was cool Tom, everything is faster now. Thanks!

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i know people say this all the time, but i really feel this might be one of the greatest threads ever. i was prepared to make this declaration after "the exalted honoress" line, but then stelfox said something pissy and tracer and the doctor reached a different level of understanding and tombot improved my browser and well, merry christmas to all.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)


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