Clubbing vs Raving FITE!

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It had to happen really, didn't it. Since this thread ended up going into orbit and back again, thought we may as well have a little bicker about what is best:

Rave: Hippie, crustie, smelly, funny, druggie, dirty, cheapy, smiley

Club: Clean, flashy, expensive, serious, cokey, drinky, funky

which do you prefer and why?

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Neither! Crikey, I had to endure an hour long lecture about the politics of rave culture and its destruction by (Dis)organised Crime, and that makes me hate rave culture even though I never participated in it, I'm just sick of hearing about how great it was.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

it's like 9 was 6...

i like big big raves and small small clubs. anything inbetween is shit.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

stevem OTM. Sweatbox or turbine hall for me too.

― lukey (Lukey G), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Since this thread ended up going into orbit and back again...

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― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

While I like the idea of raves I find the music is almost always techno, and sort of exists in its own vacuum, for me. I like techno but also I like knowing who I am going to see, and having some sense of expectation therein.

Also I am too weary and too much of a lightweight to bother my ass travelling back from some fucking godforsaken field during the height of a 10am Sunday comedown.

I like my beers cold and my dance scenes, COMMERCIALISED.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

actually I think a major factor is I really really really enjoy seeing DJs play brand new tunes. that's half the fun for me.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The "travelling back from some fucking godforsaken field" is why small raves are amazing, though! Eighty-odd people going mental and then walking round the corner to catch a bus home is alright by me.

(Ronan's techno point is right, I prefer techno but I can see how it'd be a problem for people who don't. Also I have no class at all and tend to be all "OMG Torpedoes OMG Snowcat", probably clubs are better if you're really hardcore about the music)

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh catching a bus is cool but I mean some of the places here you'd have to walk for an hour and then catch 2 buses. Pain.

I think it's not so much the techno as the not having a clue what'll be played and having no real choice after that. I'm desperate though, I sometimes think all the "but you're with your friends" arguments are wasted on me cos you could give me a few pints and some drugs and I'd bop away alone, happy as larry for 5 hours, as long as I was into the music.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

see Glastonbury last year, Saturday!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I think a major factor is I really really really enjoy seeing DJs play brand new tunes.

but in my own experience, this happened at raves too, in the past, which is what i am basing my view because i don't feel like 'raves' really happen anymore - it's something else now. we'll hear new tunes at Glastonbury too of course.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess it still happens, but maybe not to the same extent. I think cos I download so much and read about so much stuff only those who get sent promos ie big djs actually have all the new stuff. This is probably quite a bad thing for the music really.

There are "raves" which happen here but I'm guessing you mean raves in the true sense of the word, or in some truer sense, I'm not sure cos I only can go on the ones I've been to.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

So, you have ruined it for yourself then, Ronan?

― ___ (___), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

sort of! I do often think there was a better or different pleasure in not knowing any records. but I don't think I've ruined it, it's just a different sort of fun.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

dirty smelly sweaty rave, with hard psi-trance and filthy acid techno trending on gabba. Preferably in a forest possibly in the rain.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

actually i didn't like it when i couldn't ID ANYTHING. (arrrgh, Ronan, what's happening to us? we don't agree on nuffin' no more!!! ;)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i definitely prefer it if i don't know what they're playing, but then I feel I'm less likely to know what they're playing at a rave or free party than in a club. depends on what kind they are though. I wish raves would diversify a little more though since they don't officially have to stick to one style of music all night - yet they always seem to. There's only so much psy-trance I can take in an 8 hour period, y'know.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, this is sort of a side debate, but I think the feeling of hearing something (especially at a rave, but at a club too) that you've never heard before and may well never hear again but for the moment is so totally right, well, it's kind of the point. I really enjoy the whole "only DJs buy records" dichotomy in dance, it's just this totally non-rockist way of experiencing it (obv I'm not denigrating dudes like Ronan who do buy and download dance records, I do it to, it's necessary and cool), but one of the things I found super-refreshing about it all was that choice abt whether or not to try and master it, which eg. indie doesn't really give you?

I'm not totally sure if I'm really making sense.

― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I think a healthy mix is needed, you do make sense to me anyway. I guess if they can play stuff of similar thread or fibre that you'd never heard, or make stuff seem right at the right time etc etc then that's preferable.

I do like a certain sense of things being out of my control, maybe I don't trust enough DJs!

Also Steve I know! I'm scared too!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

ive never been to a crusty hippy rave :(

― ☪, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

i never went to an 'illegal rave'

― blueski, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

BAN

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

I've never been to a rave in a field in the middle of nowhere. Been to an 'illegal rave' in a squatted club, that's about it.

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 10:32 (eighteen years ago)

lol @ definition of 'rave' circa 2004

― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

Can we please stop this horrendous virrulous bullying of Dog Latin?

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

Can we please stop this horrendous virrulous bullying of Dog Latin?

-- Dom Passantino, Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:31 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

qft

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.logosschool.com/materials/images/C165_intro_logic_dvd.gif

― blueski, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

Can we please listen to Vernon Kaye and Alex Kapranos for a second? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkGYTDpcyu0

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

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