Southern Baptists to split from Baptist World Alliance

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This is very troubling, this is the largest protestant denomination (and I think thus the largest denomination overall?) in the US and they're increasingly separatist, apparently they almost passed a resolution calling for all members to pull their kids out of public school as well.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/154943-9007-010.html

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Why couldn't they have done this, oh, ten years ago? School without the Southern Baptists would have been fantastic.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Shit, if they did that where I went to school, it would have halved number of students.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

The Southern Baptists are crazy...I mean, Jesus Christ!*


*ha?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Where I live, if the Southern Baptists all stopped going to public schools there would be no public schools left at all.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, where I grew up the Methodist population could have kept the schools in bidness even if the Baptists all busted out. Actually, I think the Methodists were the largest group at the time.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

the whole of the UK shrugs collectively.

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't the Methodists go through this before, around the time of the Civil War? Hence the current "UNITED Methodist Church"? Baptists behind again. We always beat them to the post-service lunching too.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Baptists: we could fix the church roof, or we could invent this thing called total immersion baptism.

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

adult baptism was actually extremely political at its inception, it was a radical theo-politics - it implied that a person used one's adult mind to choose whether to join that faith or not, rather than being locked into it from birth. and in turn it implied that people had the choice whether or not to tithe the official church, or even to belong to a church at all.. "Baptist" was the sneering epithet of its day (1640s or so), akin to "dirty hippy"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

those who consider themselves "very religious" support George Bush over John Kerry, 59 percent to 35 percent

those who describe themselves as "not religious" favor Kerry 69 percent to 22 percent

asked if a president should be guided by his faith when making policy, 63 percent of Democrats say no, while 70 percent of Republicans say yes

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a shame what's happened to the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember overhearing an Alaskan Mormon girl and a Catholic school graduate talking about religion once: "Why would you baptise a BABY?!?!?!" Shit be hilarious. Morons.

I'm from Alabama and I am incredibly proud my family does not attend church. Like, even my extended family, my aunts and uncles and grandparents, fuck some church, we got better things to do on weekends, like crossword puzzles and mowing the lawn.

And oh BTW being from Alabama and not attending church: I FUCKING HATE SOUTHERN BAPTISTS. In their case though it's more like I just hate everybody who attends, unlike the Catholic church where I just despise the living shit out of the institution itself. I'm gonna go re-read L'Etranger now I think.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

there is actually a character called Moron in the Book of Mormon. Fact.

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Moroni, moron.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost - it's Moroni, moron.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I love you, teeny.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

from the Book of Ether (part of the book of Mormon)

11:14 And it came to pass that Ethem did execute judgment in wickedness all his days; and he begat Moron. And it came to pass that Moron did reign in his stead; and Moron did that which was wicked before the Lord.

11:15 And it came to pass that there arose a rebellion among the people, because of that secret combination which was built up to get power and gain; and there arose a mighty man among them in iniquity, and gave battle unto Moron, in which he did overthrow the half of the kingdom; and he did maintain the half of the kingdom for many years.

11:16 And it came to pass that Moron did overthrow him, and did obtain the kingdom again.

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

the book of Ether is the penultimate book, Moroni is the last one.

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

damn, owned!

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

well I'll be a nimrod.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

nimrodi.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I was actually raised Southern Baptist. Lucky for me, my parents were fairly liberal (by SB standards, anyway). I always thought that the free-will involved in adult Baptism was actually one of the religion's good points in a sea of horrible ones (politics, public conduct, vague racism, funda-Mentalism, etc) -- on paper, that is. In practice, it was mostly shame and coercion on the part of ministers and youth-group leaders. "Don't yooouu want to be saaaved??? God loves you but he will damn you to Hell for all eternity if you don't make a public profession of your faith. And tithe. You'd better tithe!!"

Considering myself somewhat of a free-thinker, by age ten I had tons of questions aboout creationism, immaculate conception, etc. that were usually met with blank stares or looks of pity from Sunday school teachers. I'm sure there was a prayer circle or two regarding the state of my soul (I could totally relate to Saved!, which I tought was great, btw). I wasn't ready to sign up just yet. Again, my parents were fairly cool and never gave me any grief as I slowly stopped attending. They weren't far behind.

So, yeah, Southern Baptists are THE WORST.

Will (will), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's get back to the morons.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

My mom was raised Southern Baptist and hated it, which greatly contributed to our household being essentially nonreligious when I was growing up. Which lead to me being a religion major in college. So there you go.

Comment dits-on...eh... le NA? (Nick A.), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Southern Baptists Reject School Pullout
Wed Jun 16,12:05 PM ET Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!

By RICHARD N. OSTLING, AP Religion Writer

INDIANAPOLIS - The Southern Baptist Convention voted down a controversial proposal Wednesday that would have asked parents to pull their children from public schools in favor of religious education.

On the final day of the denomination's annual meeting, some 8,500 church representatives also approved a call to amend the U.S. Constitution to bar gay marriage. The 16.3 million-member SBC is the nation's largest Protestant body.

Earlier this year, a statement denouncing "government schools" as "officially Godless" had been proposed by retired Air Force General T.C. Pinckney of Alexdandria, Va., and attorney Bruce Shortt of Spring, Texas.

The meeting's resolutions committee rejected that in favor of a broader and less pointed warning against "the cultural drift in our nation toward secularism."

Pinckney took the floor to move a briefer amendment encouraging parents to provide their children "a thoroughly Christian education" through private day schools or home schooling. That was defeated that by a show of hands after the most spirited debate of the meeting.

The Rev. Calvin Wittman of Wheat Ridge, Colo., who chaired the resolutions committee, said half its members are home schoolers but the panel opposed Pinckney's bid because parents must decide.

Baptists must be careful "not to usurp the authority that God has placed firmly in the home," he said, and there isn't enough consensus among church members to issue such a statement.

The gay marriage resolution passed without debate. It commended President Bush, who spoke to the meeting Tuesday, for supporting a proposed federal marriage amendment.

The text said "the union of one man and one woman is the only form of marriage prescribed in the Bible as God's perfect design" and "this traditional family is the fabric of all social order and the foundational institution that builds and maintains strong societies."

Other resolutions that were approved Wednesday without dissent by the staunchly conservative gathering:

-Urged all U.S. Christians to register and "vote in accordance with biblical values."

-Expressed "pride and strong support for our American military."

-Praised Ronald Reagan for his "strong belief in the Bible and its answers to life's problems" and pledged to "perpetuate the positive values" his life exemplified..

-Thanked those who led the "conservative resurgence" in the SBC beginning 25 years ago that "led us back to our historic biblical moorings."

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

We always beat them to the post-service lunching too

I swear to god I read that as "post-service lynching." I think my prejudice against Christians is becoming more insidious...

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)


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