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I LOVE ALAN KEYES!

― Aaron A., Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

My list:

My list again:

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

There, I've said it. When I listen to him, I want to close down all borders, eliminate welfare, protect zygotes born of rape and incest...

― Aaron A., Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Tons

I dig certain lefties too, but usually when they're so far 'left' (squatters, anarchists) that they end up being 'right' in theory and don't even know it

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Barry Goldwater for being a nut and proud of it. (Before he was, you know, dead.)
Ron Paul, for being consistent in his militiaman-esque view of government.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/library/exhibition/QLDbar/images/george%20brandis.jpg

I admire George Brandis for his even-handed approach to political discussion. Conducting a mature, balanced and sensible debate is key, and Senator Brandis eloquently steps his way through the delicate field of diplomacy with aplomb.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't we do this already?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

You're one of mine, Roger, btw.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

what are conservatives concerned with conserving?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Marriage.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

VALUES. MORALS. APPLE PIE.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

good or bad values and morals and apple pie?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

and good or bad marriage, I suppose?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Marriage should only be between a man and a woman, apparently.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I dig Tucker Carlson's style. I'm considering wearing a Bow Tie everyday when I begin my final year of grad school in September. If not in ideology, I hope to be a conservative in spirit. I will infuriate and intimidate the liberals around me with outright contempt for sloppy weakness.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

No, but seriously,

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/09/24/yugo.us.reax/link.hagel.jpg

You could do a lot worse than Chuck Hagel.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

His face fits his name nicely. The expression he wears is also somehow Chuck-like.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

(thanks Pleasant Plains! You're A-OK in my book too) (xxxxxpost)

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 22 August 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

according to p. agre, based upon burke, they are concerned with conserving aristocracy. see http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html. (i don't mean to distract you from your work, rjg.)

― youn, Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

tucker carlson lost what (very little) respect i had for him when he called john edwards a "jacuzzi lawyer." the case in which he applied that term involved a little girl who had her intestines sucked out by a faulty pool drain, and on whose behalf edwards sued the drain manufacturer and won a multi-million dollar settlement.

tucker carlson could renounce his wealth, burn all of his bow-ties, move to calcutta and tend to that city's poor mother theresa-style, and i still would fart in his general direction until he apologizes to that girl, her family, and edwards for that one remark.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

that's disgusting.

thanks, youn. skimming it, I get the impression that the author thinks conservatism is bad. I think "conservative" may be the wrong word, like, elsewhere, "class" is the wrong word and, probably, "liberal" is the wrong word. oh, well.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

do you feel they deserved multiple millions of dollars?

Ahhh let's not get into a fight here.

As for the thread topic...how can anyone not like Pat Buchannan? I mean, as a personality?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I know nothing about it but does a company, manufacturing equipment that can be so unsafe as to do whatever horrible thing it did, deserve to earn however many times the amount awarded?

who really deserves what, roger?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I deserve a nap.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:18 (twenty-one years ago)

tucker carlson lost what (very little) respect i had for him when he called john edwards a "jacuzzi lawyer."
-- Eisbär (llamasfu...), August 22nd, 2004

Yeah I heard about that too. Perhaps we read the same issue of Entertainment Weekly? If Carlson characterized Edwards and ignored the horrific cirumstances of the case, then I'd agree that it's pretty weasily of him to make that statement. Somewhat indefenseble.

Nevertheless I continue to dig his rock'n'roll conservative style.

― herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems that conservatism, like christianity (and everything else), allows for a lot of leeway and contradiction.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Aaron - I don't find Alan Keyes very difficult to like. He's right on about most of what he says - I'm pro euthaniasia, though, and I'd fight really hard to keep prayer out of schools. Beyond that, I think he's a good man.

2nd ammendment rights are very important to me, as is the abolition of the income tax.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

which rights?

how would things, that your income tax funds, be funded?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(Do you feel that the little girl deserved to have her ... oh you're right. Best not get into it here.)

x-x post

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost) RJG - with a national sales tax, obviously

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand politics.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't Ron Paul the guy who's like a constitutional fundamentalist? The Texas guy? I like him.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

Given that the little girl was about 10 years old when the injury occurred, and that she has to be hooked up to machines 12 hours a day *for the rest of her life* . . . how much do you think that might cost, Roger?

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 22 August 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Conservatives You Like

Better thread because it's got G. Gordon Liddy in speedos.

I still like him, Vince Bugliosi (sorry rog!) and Richard Lugar.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 22 August 2004 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

what are conservatives concerned with conserving?

The seond place winner of the MoveOn contest for "best Errol Morris ad" is a Marine who's all like, "That's what conservatives do. We conserve." I thought it terrible naive, and not even an appealing idea to most conservatives. Conservative conserve money and power, for themselves, and not much else. The kinds of conservatives who want to conserve wild lands and clean air are called "Ted Nugent," not "conservatives."

― Harold Media (kenan), Sunday, 22 August 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Man... drop a couple letters, and your post looks incoherent.

terrible = terribly

Conservative = Conservatives

― Harold Media (kenan), Sunday, 22 August 2004 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think a couple letters is what did it.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 22 August 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

On further consideration, you may be right.

― Harold Media (kenan), Sunday, 22 August 2004 08:31 (twenty-one years ago)

There should be some time lock for me. Like, no posts after three am. When are those ever good?

― Harold Media (kenan), Sunday, 22 August 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Eisbar otm re Carlson.

'conservative' is certainly not now and never has been much of a meaningful term. it got by before on allusions to fiscal restraint and/or traditionalism. youn's definition works in some cases, and certainly for the Bushes.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahaha, national sales tax.

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 22 August 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that it would be funny if instead of using the word "compassionate", Bush started calling himself "benevolent". Ha!

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

or "malevolent".

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/borisjohnsonfanclub/image002.jpg

Boris Johnson. What a geezer.

― Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 22 August 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The kinds of conservatives who want to conserve wild lands and clean air are called "Ted Nugent," not "conservatives."

More likely they're called Teddy Roosevelt.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

TR gets a lot of name-checking, but I don't think he and the current crowd would get along very well at all.

The kinds of conservatives who want to conserve wild lands and clean air

Interesting that you pair these two goals. I admit that most people who favor one favor the other, and vice versa, but is there any logical connection between them? I don't like the word 'environmentalism/ist' because in combining the two I think it devalues one and possibly both.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

of course there is a connection.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

what common interests do they serve?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

the preservation of the environment.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

what is 'the environment'?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

you are being silly, please stop.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

no, i'm trying to make points about how language and systematization can damage the popularity of political issues. i think that 'protecting mountains and rivers and prairie and fishing streams and hunting ranges' and 'fighting pollution and asthma and sprawl' will get a lot more votes than 'protecting the environment'. and i also think that the more aesthetic public-lands side of 'environmentalism' - which appeals to a lot of politically moderate-to-conservative 'sportsmen' in swing states - may be more popular than the more scientific clean-air side (ok, sometimes they bleed into one another, but not always).

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

protecting fishing streams and hunting ranges?

anyway, you don't think that protecting undeveloped areas (especially closer to overdeveloped areas) would help in fighting pollution and asthma? and obviously, literally prevent sprawl.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, of course I do, but you have to appeal to people for whom this isn't a no-brainer, and you do so by appealing to where the issue most aligns with their (usually short-term) self-interest - 'the environment' is too much of a long-term issue

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

how far do you break it down?

"protecting mountains"

"protecting rivers"

"protecting prairie"

"protecting fishing streams!"

"protecting hunting ranges!"

I see what you're saying, though.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

now I really love Alan Keyes

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I seem to remember hearing about TR being a "trust-buster". Like we'd ever get that today from a conservative?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

that's because today's conservatives are not conservatives. We need to start calling them something different.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

like asshats.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay I admire Vincent Gallo now, thanks to this quote:

In a perfect world, John Kerry would own a restaurant in Connecticut.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"malevolent asshats".

Hell, I'd be probably be one every Monday morning.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

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