Are New Yorkers really bothered that a few firemen had sex in a firehouse??

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This has been a supposed "scandal" here for the past week or so; not sure whether anybody has ILXed about it, and I'm too lazy to check, sorry. From what I've read (which isn't a whole lot) the fucking was consensual, and didn't seem to involve any fireman ignoring alarm bells or whatever. So it's hard for me to imagine that people are really bothered rather than amused by the whole thing, though the papers here seem to suggest otherwise. Then again, New Yorkers have REALLY REALLY REALLY pathologically weird and reverent attitudes about cops and firemen (who the tabloids constantly refer to as "finest" and "bravest", as if those are nouns!), way beyond such attitudes anywhere else I've ever lived. (I'm sorry, but cops getting killed is NO WORSE than anybody else getting killed; risking getting killed is PART OF THEIR JOB, for Crissakes.) So who knows, maybe people think fire stations are some kind of sacred temple here or something, and having sex in them is the same as having sex in a church. Who knows. Anyway, if anybody could explain all this to me, I'd be quite grateful.

― chuck, Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

link?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Did they have sex with each other or with non-firemen/women?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Or with cops?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I misread firehouse as firehose.

I guess it doesn't sound like a major major deal, bit naughty is all.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

well, outside of prostitution it's unprofessional to have sex on any sort of job. and when this is a public service job which is paid directly by the taxpayers, it can be seen as even more counter-productive.

not saying there's anything wrong with sex, just do it on your own time!

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I only hope they were wearing their helmets and making obvious jokes about "hoses" and "poles" at the time.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

But... they're so beefy! OMG the hunkiness overcame them! You'd do the same thing.

― Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Really, who hasn't had sex in a firehouse, though?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

For a while I had a friend who had never had sex anywhere *except* Astroworld. (He worked there.)

― Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

(Not that that's relevant. And plus, it was like 15 years ago.)

― Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

is astroworld a public utility?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

That shit-ass film "Backdraft" had a balling-in-the-firehouse scene... (Dianne Ladd, maybe?). They did it on top of a truck, and then there was a fire call! Hilarity ensued.

― andy, Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

It's an amusement park. And a good time was had by all.

Now come on. You can't tell me you wouldn't pump this guy dry!

http://www.minibite.com/funstuff/images2/fireman.jpg

― Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

is he fucking that fire hydrant?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm bothered that firemen in the Bronx had to get a woman from Staten Island to have sex with them. WTF? That is long commute home.

― Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, see, I thought they were fucking *each other*. That would have been *So* much better.

― Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.gatesofheck.com/vellekoop/firemen.jpg

― Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

personally I'm a little more "bothered" (perhaps a strong word, maybe "concerned" is better) when firemen beat the crap out of other firemen, y'know the point of comatose.

And there's a little more to this particular story about the firehouse sex. From Gothamist:

Sex Scandal Rocks FDNY

It's safe to say that after a year of controversy, the FDNY really didn't need news that a woman was having sex with at least two firefighters at a Bronx station house, stemming from rape charges. It's all very confusing, but here are some of the facts: A firefighter met a woman, a Staten Island divorcee, in an Internet chat room, and after chatting for a few months, they met at Ladder 33/Engine 75 (known as "Animal House"), where they had sex in a vestibule. The woman also had sex with another firefighter. Then, when she went home and called 911 at the prompting of her mother, saying she'd been gang-raped. She later recanted, saying the sex was consensual, and the two firefighters (one married) were supended, with nine other firefighters reassigned and three others fired. The tabloids are having a field day with story, from reports that the woman had sex with 200-300 firefighters, to her ex-husband's statements about her being bipolar and that September 11 made her snap, prompting her to sleep with "every cop and firefighter in town." And then the police are still investigating whether the sex was consensual.

Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta met with reporters yesterday also said, "We're simply not going to let the activities of a few members ... soil the very hard-won reputation of this department," which, in Gothamist's mind, seemed to refer to earlier controversies with firefighters (drunk driving incidents, brawls, accidents due to drug use). The FDNY's investigation is being compared to the Knapp Commission, which was the investigation into police corruption.

Needless to say, it'll be slightly less bad if the sex was indeed consensual. But that hasn't been established yet, as far as I know.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

That shit-ass film "Backdraft" had a balling-in-the-firehouse scene... (Dianne Ladd, maybe?).

It was Jennifer Jason Leigh. ;-)

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

While I agree with gygax about on-the-job sex, I'm not sure that this would be in the news if it happened at KMart - though it would be 100 times more disgusting to imagine.

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"Today's blue balls special..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi Ned I hate U

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't this why guys become firemen in the first place?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

To have sex in the firehouse or to get smacked in the face with a chair?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It was Jennifer Jason Leigh. ;-)

sadly it was also Billy Baldwin (heyuurrk)

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

also, "bothered" = "titillated" ... ?

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi Ned I hate U

Aw, sweetums.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

im actually more jealous than anything

― phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Like Stencil's quoting indicates, the recent history of firehouse shenanigans (leaving alone the v. important issue of, like, consent) is surely part of what urges this on. I mean, judging by reports and accidents since my arrival in this city, it would seem that NYC firefighters spend every day drinking, snorting coke, beating the crap out of each other, and fucking chicks they met on the Internet. This is not really how you want your firefighters to spend their days (or even your KMart employees, when you happen to be shopping at KMart). It's not like anyone thinks they should spend every day knitting mittens and reading The Man Without Qualities, just, you know ... try and keep the drugs and whoring on the downlow.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

And yes, like Phil, I speak out of jealousy.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know why phil is jealous.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.rocknrollhell.com/firehouse/firehouse.jpg

― kephm, Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

NB I really wanted to use The Sorrows of Young Werther as the book in that post (how much funnier would that be?) but a Werther-joke was just excelsiored yesterday, so I had to substitute. Pretend I'd come up with something as funny as Werther.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

The Man Without Qualities works better, y'know, like the firemen were getting pointers or something.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know why phil is jealous.

He wants hosing down.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Thursday, 26 August 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Some woman in the bodega down the street from me said that she read that the woman in question gave all the firefighters VD. She whispered this to the guy behind the counter at the bodega so I couldn't hear but I have superhero-like hearing and heard her.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

damn, I had originally put jealousy.. but I liked the word titllation better. 'cuz, you know, scandalous...

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 26 August 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I crazy, or do firemen more or less *live* in the firehouse when they're on duty? I guess that makes it sort of a crazy dorm/frat kind of affair... does seem to bring out the worst in some people.

Note that when I thought it was consensual fireman/fireman, I was all down with it.

― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Friday, 27 August 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Come down to the station house,
Come down to the station house,
Come down to the station house,
Your son is dead.

― Andrew (enneff), Friday, 27 August 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttps://secure.netzone.ch/gay-mega-store.ch/images/dv-usmale-czechfiremen-f.jpg

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Friday, 27 August 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

When the department is squelching a blaze, the last thing that I would think of is who's doing whom. Of course, where I live, ours is a volunteer dept.

― jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 27 August 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Leon's link suggests Hugh Laurie in porn.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised no one took issue with Chuck's final parenthetical.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

*rereads* Well I dunno, the basic point seems sound enough.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You think part of their job is getting killed?

― oops (Oops), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed the "risking" part there, but still. Seems pretty insensitive.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

'On the job.' Heh. Americans amuse me.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I would argue that a cop getting killed on the job would erase one more useless fascist< but then im funny that way>

― anthony, Friday, 27 August 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I'd say there is a greater level of expectation that cops and firemen will get killed. They know it, and we know it. However, this does make them fundamentally braver than most, and someone dying because they took courageous actions is a sad thing indeed.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 27 August 2004 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

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