what should 9/11 really be called?

And 9/11 doesn't do that? Essentially it has become the name through sheer force of repetition, and it seems that can and does serve as a shorthand for an attack that was supposed to be against the WTC, the Pentagon and the White House. Similarly Pearl Harbor is a shorthand for quite a bit more than an attack.

It was too widespread to be anything other than just a date. And it's too ingrained to change now. Say 9/11 and everyone knows what you mean, even though, as Caitlin pointed out, 9/11 isn't even how we would ever say September 11th over this side of the Atlantic.

Yes, Sebastien, that means that the other september eleventh will fade into history. But in time, so will this. Sooner or later it will have softened to the point that some politician will make a holiday for it, and it'll have a name then, for a while. In a hundred years no-one will know it any more than people today could tell you the day the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

http://pressroom.hallmark.com/patriot_day.html

1. The date format should logically be '11 September', not 'September 11' [UK and Australian media fucking pay attention]
2. It should be '11th' anyway, being the 11th day of a month, and not just a thing called '11'
3. I don't appreciate a whole date forcibly being made synonymous with something that happened to the precious little United States, when loads of disasters occur on a regular basis all over the world and nobody assigns THEM their own date, much less gives a shit about them
4. Anyone with a birthday on the 11th of September [I know at least two] now has to put up with people being miserable on their birthday

I call it 'the attack on New York City,' because that's what it is. The US government doesn't want it phrased that way because it implies weakness or some crap but tough. Yes it's a big tragedy but fucking hell, tragedies on this scale happen all the time and nobody cares because 'it's only China' or 'it's only Sudan' or 'where the fuck is Sudan, who cares it's just some tin-pot African country and where the fuck is Africa anyway'.

Ahh that felt good.

It almost immediately became known as 9/11 or September 11th (date format convention arguments seem somewhat trivial here) because it was the default option. It wasn't on one place and it wasn't a' bombing'. Making it hard to call it much else very snappy, as this thread has demonstrated. It wasn't through being 'forcibly made synonymous with something that happened to the precious little United States'.

my mom turned 50 on 9/11/2001!

the White House wasn't attacked.

(X-post)

If you're looking for something to call that day itself, something a little less generic than 9/11, call it "The Day That America Shat Itself".

Oh, and here in the precious lil US of A, we say the date as, for example, May 5th 2004, so when abbreviated it becomes 5-11-04, every bit as logical as the proper, british way.

The way large chunks of the world do it [not just the UK] is day-month-year, which makes loads of sense because it's starting specific and steadily becoming nonspecific.

The year-month-day system used by parts of [if not most of] Asia is even more logical, because it starts broad and steadily narrows. 2004-09-13 18:31.24 is possibly the most sensible and consistent date/time convention there is.

The US standard is all over the place. Month-day-year. That's just stupid.

Anyway...

But don't mind me, keep on defending the indefensible. :)

ground zero is good branding, too.

Dropping a couple of nuclear bombs probably helped the country get over it.

Whereas invading two countries doesn't appear to have worked in this case. I'm sure there's a lesson to be learned here somewhere...

tend to use 'the world trade center attacks' but that neglects u93 + pentagon, also nasty 4chan meme

http://www.iclassics.com/images/local/300/1020E.jpg
http://www.iclassics.com/images/local/300/64500E.jpg

honourable mention for stewart lee's 9th of november

it's hard to know how long these one-off events need to heal.

UK still has Guy Fawkes day, give us a little room here!

and christmas? get over it already

Twitter Trending topics: Torres Gemelas , Tio Caps Lock , Powerpuff Girls , God Bless America ,
Twin Towers , William Lara , #neverforget , #songsiwillnevergettiredof , #wherewereyou , Nine Years

Torres Gemelas, who dat, I thought :-)
Also, Powerpuff girls, wtf? (William Lara was a Venezuelan politician who died today)

If you took every piece of shit ever shat by every person, animal and tree in the entire universe ever, consolidated them into a Big Ball of Shit and set it off into space complete with its own orbit, it wouldn't come close to how much this shits me.

1. The date format should logically be '11 September', not 'September 11' [UK and Australian media fucking pay attention]
2. It should be '11th' anyway, being the 11th day of a month, and not just a thing called '11'
3. I don't appreciate a whole date forcibly being made synonymous with something that happened to the precious little United States, when loads of disasters occur on a regular basis all over the world and nobody assigns THEM their own date, much less gives a shit about them
4. Anyone with a birthday on the 11th of September [I know at least two] now has to put up with people being miserable on their birthday

I call it 'the attack on New York City,' because that's what it is. The US government doesn't want it phrased that way because it implies weakness or some crap but tough. Yes it's a big tragedy but fucking hell, tragedies on this scale happen all the time and nobody cares because 'it's only China' or 'it's only Sudan' or 'where the fuck is Sudan, who cares it's just some tin-pot African country and where the fuck is Africa anyway'.

Ahh that felt good.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Monday, September 13, 2004 12:30 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark

And I was the one who apologized?

Oh, sorry, apologised. Apologized is wrong.

America Jumps the Shark Day

^ that happened way before didn't it?

9/11 Poem..........................…
As Dawn approaches, we arise….
Wiping our sleepy eyes…
Looking at those two twin towers…
Standing tall in their final hours…
As the first plane crashes into tower one….
Loved ones frantically call in 911…
How ironic it might seem…
9/11 and 911, we all hope it’s just a dream…
Then another plane hits tower two…
Which completely shocked me and you…
We stood there watching those two towers…
Weeping and screaming for what seemed hours and hours…
As the twins burn under the sun…
In horror we watch the jumpers one by one…
Fire fighters work and strive…
To try and keep our loved ones alive…
An hour after that attack…
Those twin towers began to crack…
Those two towers fell down…
And left an ash cloud all around…
The whole world watched with shocked faces…
At the rubble left in those two places…
For those 3,497 who died on 9/11…
May you rest in peace with God in heaven.
xxx

that's the kind of stuff Autumn Almanac typed

Did it ever surface - in like the 9/11 Commission or anything - that the attackers specifically planned the attacks to coincide with our emergency telephone number? Because that's always been the lamest part of this for me. "9/11 Never forget..." Police. Fire. Ambulance. Got it.

Anyways, this has been bumping around in my brain for the last couple days and prompted some highly unusual GISs: Anal Elven.

something freaky that happened on the newsgroups back then. There was this guy who posted as Leophoenix on one of the boards I used to read (I can't remember which). and he was making standard attacks on America and their policies, and talking your typical foreboding "America is doomed" nonsense...he just came across as your typical overwrought fringe lunatic.

Then towards the end of August, he proclaimed that something major was going to happen on September 1st. Of course the day came and went without incident, and everybody called the guy an idiot and a fraud. But then, on September 2nd, he said "in nine days, none of you will be laughing". So then 9/11 happened and people flipped the fuck out on the guy, about half of the people filling out FBI reports on him.

I mean a lot of people said it was a coincidence, but it was a little creepy because of the fact that his first guess was 9/1/01, meaning he may have known the significance of the term "9/11" but misinterpreted it to mean 9/1/01, and when that day passed, amended it to 9/11/01. seemed like he may have known someone involved or overheard some of the details from somewhere.

actually he posted as Xineohpoel, which was Leo Phoenix backwards.

The date format should logically be '11 September', not 'September 11'

???

Even ILX formats date as September 11.

yea the Autumn Almanac posts from 6 years ago are all sorts of retarded.

Even ILX formats date as September 11.

― Drastic times require what? Drastic measures! Who said that? T (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 September 2010 15:48 (4 minutes ago)

Not on all style sheets, it doesn't. (See above.)

Leo Phoenix links & story in the first post here http://letsrollforums.com/anyone-ever-hear-leo-t910.html

will read all but the FreeRepublic links. FreeRepublic is a cesspool of shit.

lol @ the talks of him being a prophet. methinks he overheard a conversation he weren't meant to, is more like it.

Sollog. lol

looks like tiger woods should take golfing lessons from that clown Sollog

10. You have promised that "curses" would befall all those who reported you to the FBI. Given that at least some of these people were probably simply trying to do the right thing, do you think your "curses" are fair to them?

That is a difficult question to answer. I would say the intensity of their curses depends on the amount of trouble their actions have caused me. So far, that is not much, so I don't think they need to be too concerned about their curses, but I do think they should bless some strangers if they want to make up for them. That is why curses are always fair. Because if you ever do get cursed, whether you deserve it or not, you can always repel them by being blessing others.

I reported him to the FBI. this explains the recent weight gain. DAMN YOU LEO

Something is going to happen tomorrow. This is a witness against everyone on
this newsgroup. I hate this newsgroup, and everyone on it sucks.

"I hate this newsgroup and everyone on it sucks". HIGH COMEDY!

autumn almanac sure was a dick on this thread

Even ILX formats date as September 11.

― Drastic times require what? Drastic measures! Who said that? T (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 September 2010 14:48

Interesting. On my machine, they always look like this.

Even ILX formats date as September 11.

― Drastic times require what? Drastic measures! Who said that? T (President Keyes), (Hot Fudge) Sundae, TWELVE Sup'tmbr 2Θ1Θ 14:48 sumtime in da mornin'

Interesting. On my machine, they always look like this.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), (Hot Fudge) Sundae, Sup'tmbr TWELVE, 2Θ1Θ 9:44 sumtime in da mornin' (3 minutes ag0) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

That's weird because the dates on my machine look like this.

Ha.

Did it ever surface - in like the 9/11 Commission or anything - that the attackers specifically planned the attacks to coincide with our emergency telephone number? Because that's always been the lamest part of this for me. "9/11 Never forget..." Police. Fire. Ambulance. Got it.

― hypo ilxa/hermes ban (kkvgz), Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:34 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

on the night of everyone was calling it 9-1-1, not 9/11. i can't remember when it switched. i don't think even until the new year??

something freaky that happened on the newsgroups back then. There was this guy who posted as Leophoenix on one of the boards I used to read (I can't remember which). and he was making standard attacks on America and their policies, and talking your typical foreboding "America is doomed" nonsense...he just came across as your typical overwrought fringe lunatic.

Then towards the end of August, he proclaimed that something major was going to happen on September 1st. Of course the day came and went without incident, and everybody called the guy an idiot and a fraud. But then, on September 2nd, he said "in nine days, none of you will be laughing". So then 9/11 happened and people flipped the fuck out on the guy, about half of the people filling out FBI reports on him.

I mean a lot of people said it was a coincidence, but it was a little creepy because of the fact that his first guess was 9/1/01, meaning he may have known the significance of the term "9/11" but misinterpreted it to mean 9/1/01, and when that day passed, amended it to 9/11/01. seemed like he may have known someone involved or overheard some of the details from somewhere.

― turn in yer badge (San Te), Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:41 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus

That Leophoenix thread can be read here. To me, it sounds more like it was a sheer coincidence rather than this guy having known or overheard something about the terrorist attacks.

First, on August 31st he starts a thread titled "911" with this post:

Something is going to happen tomorrow. This is a witness against everyone on
this newsgroup. I hate this newsgroup, and everyone on it sucks. REPENT! You
are all evil liars! Do not be so evil, and be holy. You are going to get me
killed because of the truth of my mouth. I am not telling you what is going
to happen until it does, because an EVIL and adulterous generation seeks for
a sign.

Then nothing happens on September 1st, and people say he's full of shit, and he posts this:

Since when do I post prophecies, other than end of the world cataclysmic ones?

(If he really knew something about the terrorist attacks, would he call them "end of the world cataclysmic ones"? I dunno, sounds more like your typical "end is nigh" crackpot prophesizing.)

Then someone else posts this:

The first post in this thread was from you, saying that
something was going to happen on August 31, and that you
would tell us what that thing was after it happened,
presumably on September 1. I was only noticing that you
hadn't followed through on what you said you'd do, and
instead had only written, "This is a witness against
everyone on this newsgroup."

Now you write, "Since when do I post prophecies, other
than end of the world ones?" Are you now saying that you
are taking back your promise to tell us the thing that you
said was going to happen on August 31? Or are you saying
that the thing that happened August 31 was a witness against
everyone in this newsgroup, with no more specification than
that?

Just looking for some consistency and followthrough from
you. I am interested in what happened on August 31 that
fulfilled your premonition of August 30. Or has it not
happened yet, and you are going to tell us after it does,
whatever the date?

On September 4th he answers:

Wait 7 days, and then maybe I'll answer this post. You see, I am going away
in seven days, and you will not hear from me again.

Someone posts this:

Out on bail or what? Accept my challenge and go away with some pride in your
stupidity, fakir.

And he answers:

What? No, I am just going away, that's all. What challenge? Ok, I'll be
proud if you want me to.

And after that he posts this:

I said it was a witness, ie. a testimony. The testimony always comes before
the prophesied judgment. For if I no testimony had been delivered, you would
not be guilty of sin. If you've been tracking me at all, you know the
prophesies I have made. The testimony had nothing to do with any cataclysm
as you now suggest. Truly, you only see what you want to see, and for this
reason, people must be destroyed, because although they can see, they are
yet blind.

To me it seems he was just some loony who predicted something would happen on September 1st 2001, hence the "911" thread title. Nothing happened then, and September 4th he says he'll be going away in 7 days. Kinda freaky, but note that he doesn't say anything about something happening on September 11th, just that he'll be going away then, which could mean anything. If he really knew something about 9/11, why didn't he say that his initial prophecy for September 1st now applies to date?

So yeah, the dates in the thread are kinda creepy, but by 2001 there must've been thousands and thousands of crackpots on the internet predicting various disasters, so statistically it doesn't sound too weird that one of them managed to coincidentally get the dates kinda right, and even then he doesn't actually say any disaster is gonna happen on September 11th.

"his initial prophecy for September 1st now applies to that date"

Note also that after 9/11, some people on that thread say they're gonna notify the FBI about "Xinoehpoel"'s posts, and the guy comes back to thread and starts protesting that he's innocent. Okay, maybe he's trying to protect his ass by claiming innocence, but never once does he say that his prophecy was right or anything.

I'm seeing Tansy Davies' 9/11 opera tonight.

Got a 5* review in the Independent, 4* in the Telegraph, 3* in the Guardian and 1* in the FT. Quite intrigued to see who's right.

Davies' music is informed by the worlds of the classical avant-garde, funk and experimental rock. As well, her scores contain unusual directions, such as 'urban, muscular', 'seedy, low slung', 'stealthy' and 'solid, grinding'.

Yeah. Suspect it's the FT but we shall see.

sounds interesting lol

Davies' music is informed by the worlds of the classical avant-garde, funk and experimental rock. As well, her scores contain unusual directions, such as 'urban, muscular', 'seedy, low slung', 'stealthy' and 'solid, grinding'.

― nakhchivan, Wednesday, April 15, 2015 11:23 AM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus

she is scoring a robot fox on a mission to rip open as many bin bags as possible

Eine kleine nachtbus

feel like 9/11 shld be known as 'spazzmatazz'

that whole month sure felt like spazzmatazz

agreed

the ilm conspiracy theory thread about the prophecies newsgroup conspiracy thread

Conspiracy people are like bad literary critics (or: literary critics).

Focusing on 9/11 - the CALENDAR DATE - all the time in their search for significance. Sheesh how blind can you sheeple beeple? How about the day of the week? Tuesday. Obvious Tuesday Weld, Ruby Tuesday, Til Tuesday, Putting it Up on a Tuesday references going on.

lol @ sheeple beeple

nowadays i refer to it as "the greatest work of art imaginable for the whole cosmos"

i remember this from buddyhead.com:
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q686/tinyservants/Screen%20Shot%202015-04-15%20at%204.09.13%20PM_zpsfgip4yy7.png

oopsie woopsies