Some of the James Dean-ish aspects which wowed me so much as a teen would probably make me roll my eyes a little now. But, at the time, I thought he was the coolest guy in the world – thanks to that shy, fumbling, unconventionally smart yet barely articulate quality of his few big roles. He was like some kind of Montessori emo superstar. And when paired with Martha Plimpton’s no-b.s. sass in "The Mosquito Coast" and "Running on Empty" – they were like a children-of-hippies dream couple. ("I think about you when I go to the bathroom.")
But beyond just the fact that he was this sensitive, mysterious dude (and pulling that off alone is, I guess, impressive enough, in a Hollywood full of Luke Perrys), I think he was really a good actor, at least doing that "all my emotions are on the surface" thing (not normally the kind of acting I'm into). I think he pulled it off so well because he closed his characters off so much – his archetypal character’s ego was so damped down (reason: messed up childhood), that his everyday repressed awkwardness was especially choked-off and stumbling, and his outbursts of emotion were especially childlike. (Both sides of this were perfected in "My Own Private Idaho.")
It’s interesting to watch "Stand by Me," where the other three kids are really good actors, and Phoenix is actually pretty wooden – except in the campfire scene, where he sobs into Wil Weaton’s arms about his abusive dad (and which kind of prefigures the pathetically inarticulate campfire scene in "Idaho" – supposedly written into the script by Phoenix and Keanu Reeves themselves! – "I really want to kiss you, man").
Plus, he had this way of doing these tossed-off little line readings that just killed me. One of my favorite things in "Idaho" (out of about a billion favorite things) is when he doesn’t want to participate in the ambush they’re planning on the rockers from Beaverton, and wanders into another room – then Keanu whispers to him that he needs his help to play a trick on the others – and River says OK; jumps back into the crowd (which roars its approval); and murmurs something like, "I was gonna help you guys anyway, I was just kidding."
His super-eco vegetarian bio ("He's never tasted chocolate!") definitely played into the whole mystique, though I thought at the time it was a bit much. (On the other hand, I do remember being distinctly bummed when I read Martha Plimpton say, in an interview, that she could never kiss anyone who "puts dead animal through their lips.")
Beyond the movies I've mentioned, I don't know about most of the others. I could never bear to watch "A Night in the Life of Jimmy Reardon." He was likeable in a few side roles ("Sneakers" and "I Love You to Death"). Then he was in a few real turkeys at the end ("Thing Called Love," "Silent Tongue"). It was curious how just plain bad or boring he could be sometimes – either he was "on," in a movie which "brought it out," or he wasn't. (But then I don’t know if it was maybe also "the drugs" at that point, or what. )
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)
!!!
― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)
when paired with Martha Plimpton’s no-b.s. sass in "The Mosquito Coast" and "Running on Empty" – they were like a children-of-hippies dream couple
OTM
I remember watching "Running on Empty" for the umpteenth time by just fast-forwarding to his scenes
you're missing a lot if you're not watching Christine Lahti too
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)
and Running On Empty is so good! i should watch that again soon. it's been too long.
― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)
Actually, that phrase may more accurately describe Rivers Cuomo.
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)
Phoenix's shambling, near-disastrous turn sure doesn't help. He isn't just mercurial; he's twitchy and unfocused, tossing lines away in an unintelligible croak.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)
I forgot how good he was in Dogfight -- and Lili Taylor too.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 September 2010 23:56 (fifteen years ago)
i am obsessed with that movie!
― horseshoe, Friday, 10 September 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)
I was too as a teenager.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 September 2010 00:18 (fifteen years ago)
I saw the James Franco outtakes-edit My Own Private River tonight -- despite my reservations about the whole enterprise, it has at least two brilliant scenes left out of Idaho (which arguably need to have been left out). The Franco edition constructs a much more '70s-style Altman/Rudolph/Schatzberg film.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 February 2012 09:54 (fourteen years ago)
Wow – had no idea this existed.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:17 (fourteen years ago)
Just watched a clip of the extended spaghetti scene on the Italian farm: the one where Keanu and his peasant moppet, infatuated and obnoxious, drive River crazy. The original scene was for me the most painful sequence.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:26 (fourteen years ago)
well I saw both versions yesterdays, obv Idaho for the 7th or 10th time... I think GVS left the spaghetti scene out entirely? There are a lot more improvisational takes by R.P. in this footage.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:17 (fourteen years ago)
In MOPI, Mike listens to Scott and the farmgirl banging away upstairs, twice.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
The spaghetti scene's in the original but abbreviated: a couple of shots of Mike tugging at his hair and blowing contemptuous cig smoke at Scott and Italian Girl.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:50 (fourteen years ago)
ah. my mind is a blender.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:58 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ierM_wVrrlw
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 12:07 (twelve years ago)
I loved that Premiere story published in '94 in which Judy Davis admits to being flummoxed by the New Age prayer ceremonies she was shanghaied into participating in when the cast and crew heard about his death.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 12:13 (twelve years ago)
wdve been 50 next month
:o
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 July 2020 18:07 (five years ago)
He's just marvelous in Dogfight, one of the more underrated peeks into male pathology. It goes so far into the psychology of male rituals that for a while I wonder if director Nancy Savoca approves of them.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2021 01:03 (five years ago)
Checked the Criterion version of Dogfight out of the library. The interviews with Nancy Savoca and Lili Taylor are sweet. Really struck again by Phoenix playing this jarhead-with-a-budding-soul and his narcoleptic hustler in My Own Private Idaho. He and Taylor have a kissing scene in a music box room that's one of the better awkward ones I've watched.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 July 2024 20:04 (one year ago)