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Yesterday I was wondering about staircases,
The ones that they have in public places,
And what I wondered was this: why, after a certain number of steps, they have a segment of horizontal space before continuing on with the steps, ie: _
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Is there an engineering purpose, eg, for stability of the staircase, or is it for public safety, so if someone falls down the stairs they don't fall all the way down but can stop partway down, or does it have to do with the number of people that can fit on a staircase? Well?

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

And of course, the formatting is fucked. Try and figure out what I mean without a diagram.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Landings are required by code for ease of use by people ascending and descending the staircase. It's mostly to give a little break to people ascending - a stair with an intermediate landing doesn't feel like as much of a climb as a continuous one of the same height. The same is required with wheelchair ramps.

Staircases would actually be easier to engineer/design/build if they didn't have them.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

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caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

(well, it was a *bit* nearer)

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Huh, interesting (to me). So, who requires them, Brian? I assume there's some kind of govmt. agency that comes up with these building regulations and codes. Is there a certain number of steps in a staircase before a landing is required?

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Codes differ (slightly) by area, but per the 2003 International Building Code (Section 1009.6) ā€œA flight of stairs shall not have a vertical rise greater than 12 feet (3658mm) between floor levels or landings.ā€

It makes an exception for bleacher-type seating in assembly uses.

A landing is defined as a level at least as as long as the staircase is wide (or 48ā€ max in a straight-run staircase).

I never thought I’d do leisure code research so I could put off doing real code research.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, thanks, Brian! I really appreciate it. Now we can get on to other peoples' engineering and design questions.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ok me next!

dude, bridges, wtf?

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

I want to talk about skyscrapers, and why the John Hancock building is Chicago is a minor miracle.

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

in Chicago. You know what I meant.

I mean, it's just perfect. Maximizes interior space with an exoskeleton, and the pyramid shape but reduces wind loads and beautifully saves larger bottom floors for retail and smaller top floors for residences. This is one of the best things to come out of the 60's.

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, I know... that's not a question.

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, here's a question -- why would anyone make a dining chair out of brushed aluminum? Does anyone buy these useless objects?

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

When the Hancock was first built, the apartments with the crossbraces visible on the outside of their windows were priced lower than the others, as they were seen as less desirable. They quickly became the most sough-after apartments in the building, and now command a premium.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, 'cause they're fucking cool. And if they're not there, the view is *incredibly* fucking cool. You can't lose.

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Kenan, if you're referring to the Emeco aluminum dining chairs above, the U.S. Navy had a lot of good reasons to commission them decades ago. And I can certainly understand their use in cafes, as they're nearly indestructible. But I haven't seen anyone who has them at home. The polished aluminum ones Starck designed for The Hudson (also made by Emeco) are pretty beautiful, but that's a situation where there's a whole staff of people to clean off the fingerprints.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I guess lack of weight and durability are advantages. I don't know anyone who has them at home, either, but I know coffee shops that have them, and I always feel like they're trying to put one over on me.

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, they should have stopped building skyscrapers after the Hancock, at least modernist ones.

k3rry (dymaxia), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

The vision of Mies van der Rohe got *seriously* twisted after he died.

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"No no, not black glass. How dull. Sky-colored glass!"

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

they should have stopped building skyscrapers after the Hancock, at least modernist ones.

Kind of OTM, actually. Though I really like what's going on in Asia. It's from a completely different POV, which may be what I like about it.

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

What are we calling this odd Asian modernist-decorative fusion skyscraper? What's the word for it?

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.wissen.swr.de/warum/glaszersingen/themenseiten/t7/images_content/5256211-bruecke.jpg

Din Daa Daa Din Do Do Din Daa Daa Dun Do (donut), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Now we're back on the thread topic. WTF?

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

that's what happens when you don't account for wind loads in your design.

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Or resonant frequencies.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know if there's a term for flashy postmodern Asian skyscraper designs yet. There are some really good things happening in contemporary skyscraper design, but across China right now it's the quantity and not the quality that's amazing. The new Rem Koolhaas skyscraper for Beijing looks like it will be pretty amazing structurally, and I think the Renzo Piano headquarters for the New York Times that's under construction is the best attempt at a purely beautiful (rather than particularly iconic) modernist skyscraper for decades.

Foster's Swiss Re in London and Nouvel's Torre Agbar in Barcelona (and, doubtless, all the rounded conical towers to follow) seem a bit showy and inefficient to me, but that's kind of always been the history of the skyscraper.

Surprisingly enough, a lot of the cutting edge design work in the field of sustainable and ecologically friendly design is being done with skyscrapers, especially in Germany.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

that's what happens when you don't account for wind loads in your design.

ha

Yes indeed. That's at the extreme end. And then (I know I must seem unhealthily obsessed with Chicago) there's the Sears Tower, which accounted for wind loads in its design to the extent that the building could handle them, but paid no attention to whether the people in it could handle them or not. A friend of mine works in it on the 70th floor, and it makes her seasick. People reported this effect from the first day. That's bad design and bad engineering, all at the same time.

It's tall, though. Man, is it ever.

Funny, my Dad visited Chicago recently, and after going through a brief architectural tour of the city and going with me to the top of Hancock Center, standing at the base of it he said, "It's tall. That's the most you can say about it." I said to him, "No, I think you're talking about Sears." And then I launched into a monologue about Hancock which I could tell bored the piss out of him. He doesn't really want architecture, he wants sculpture. He'd be far better off touring New York.

Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

In Chicago, I'm a huge fan of the Aon Center/Amoco Building/Standard Oil Building. It's hugely tall but so reserved (and changing names so often) that it's rarely mentioned. Aside from the huge marble cladding problem, of course. Millennium Park has certainly done a lot for its visibility, it's just too bad the Gehry bandshell comepletely turns its ass end toward everyone in the towers on the north end of the park.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

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a lot of the cutting edge design work in the field of sustainable and ecologically friendly design is being done with skyscrapers

This doesn't surprise me at all. Skyscrapers have long been the world's greenest buildings. The land usage issue alone is enough to recommend them, but they also make resource distribution and waste management so simple that they make houses seems like a wasteful conceit.

Kenan (kenan), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

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But the ass-end of the Gehry Bandshell is designed, if not to be beautiful, to at least to look like a great ass. Standing behind the Gehry bandshell is not like standing behind any other infrastructure in Chicago. As infrastructure goes, it's clean and well-oiled.

Kenan (kenan), Friday, 12 November 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)


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