Google introduces an academic-focused search engine

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Currently in beta test mode but it's up and running. More info:

Google Scholar enables you to search specifically for scholarly literature, including peer-reviewed papers, theses, books, preprints, abstracts and technical reports from all broad areas of research. Use Google Scholar to find articles from a wide variety of academic publishers, professional societies, preprint repositories and universities, as well as scholarly articles available across the web.

Just as with Google Web Search, Google Scholar orders your search results by how relevant they are to your query, so the most useful references should appear at the top of the page. This relevance ranking takes into account the full text of each article as well as the article's author, the publication in which the article appeared and how often it has been cited in scholarly literature. Google Scholar also automatically analyzes and extracts citations and presents them as separate results, even if the documents they refer to are not online. This means your search results may include citations of older works and seminal articles that appear only in books or other offline publications.

Very interesting. As yet you can't do any advanced search functions with it, but again, it's in beta mode so I suspect that'll be on the way soon enough. Ran some initial searches and it seems a touch awkward for single word searches, perhaps unsurprisingly. Doesn't seem to limit itself to strictly academic sites, could be good or bad depending. We'll see.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Sounds interesting, certainly a worthy experiment. I guess problems at this stage might just be related to it's early stage of development? Anyway, I'll peek at that later, thanks Ned.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. That thing seems a pretty decent aid in the research I'm doing my damndest to avoid. Now is that a good or bad thing, again...?

the krza (krza), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

this sounds interesting! i may try it out tomorrow when sober.

sgs (sgs), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

it does sound useful. they should do one just for porn too.

o, wait...

bulbs (bulbs), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

So far it seems pretty good, but I'd like the ability (which might be there and missed by me) to sort the results according to type, so I don't have to skip past all the citations and abstracts when looking for meaty meaty articles.

I'm skeptical of what it may become, though -- it seems to be opt-in, and (okay I haven't followed Ned's link) I'm not sure if there is any sort of informed review process to see who does and doesn't get through the door. In my fields, I don't want to type in "Nikola Tesla" or "Filioque controversy" and end up, respectively, with bargain basement Forteans and fundamentalist revealed historians.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(Informed is key there if they don't specifically limit it to peer-reviewed materials, for instance, and possibly even then. It's not always easy to spot kooks, especially in obscure fields -- and at the other end of the dilemma, many fields have their "legitimate kooks" who, while just as kooky, do take part in the field's mainstream discussions. I'm thinking of the fringier intelligent design people here, for instance.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Just tried it out - I was very impressed.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you just have to uncheck the kook box.

g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, can I drag and drop that to my life, please?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost haha!

sorry, this is crap (as yet). It doesn't bring up nearly what a current university library's website would. Big, obvious names and connections ("Dickens Marxism" say) give a lot, but big whoop. "Acapulco Typology" (an 80s era mass communication theory) = big fat zip.

what's interesting is that this seems like a microsoft-y move, academic searches and indexes are a low-glamour grind, there are dozens of overlapping resources, but it must make some money for someone, so there you go.

g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't tried this yet, but some people are already saying that it's better than Web of Science / Web of Knowledge.

Although that in itself wouldn't say much -- I fucking HATE WoK.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope this idea pans out and it becomes useful.

It would be a big help.

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, I should have read all the FAQ stuff in the 'more info' section more thoroughly, they DO allow for a variety of advanced search techniques. The whole section is actually worth a read through to get a sense of what's up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a good idea in the sense that I fear young kids today trust normal-Google and their ilk as serious research tools, and dont question much of what they find online.

To know there might be peer-reviewed serious stuff available is a great thing. As long as it isnt going to end up costing a subscription...

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

To know there might be peer-reviewed serious stuff available is a great thing. As long as it isnt going to end up costing a subscription...
It just gives you links to the content, if it's in a proper scientific journal then you still need a subscription to access it.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Which makes sense -- it at least lets you know what's out there. Where this could be specifically an advantage for people is this way -- consider the California Digital Library or CDL, which ties together the various UC campuses and more. As a general member of the public, you couldn't directly access the various journal/article databases for searching available via the CDL -- however, what you could do, say, is use this to search for general info, then go to the nearest UC or affiliate to use the databases to call up the articles, having already done a bit of initial searching for appropriate authors, titles or journals. Now, this isn't perfect! But it gives you something to start with.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah right, I see. Still cool tho.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

omfg the citations counter is brilliant!

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

this seems really good. although from a personal point of view i prefer:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=companion+forms&btnG=Search

to

http://www.scholar.google.com/scholar?q=companion+forms&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search

toby (tsg20), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The power of it is in the citations counter. You can immediately see which papers are more salient in the field, and then see who cited them. Ordinarily you would have to look this up in the Index of Citations, which is a pain in the butt. This makes the old tricks (looking at prominent articles' bibliographies) more simplified when constructing lit reviews. This is just in time for one I have to construct for a field where I'm not familiar with half of; environmental participatory action research--having the citation counter and link lets me get a quick idea of the schools of thought and scholar pools in the field.

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

my article on penis envy isn't showing up in my searches.

yurt, Monday, 22 November 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

no one cited it.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

where is the citations counter?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

It's in a light blue color as a link right after the author's name.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

This seems like a good option for searching, though used alongside others as another tool for navigating through all the information out there. But is it any different than going through your university library database searches? I guess it's just a broad database really? I'm so used to doing multiple searches in multiple databases anyway that g00gle seems like a nice place to start searching, get an idea of what's out there, but I'm skeptical about its reach. Though wouldn't it be rad if all databases and all information could be searched at once? (haha, that's like librarian sci-fi...)

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

every one of my articles is there, with citations and everything. That would've normally taken me two or three hours at least.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I couldn't find mine. I think some of the sociology journals aren't indexed yet. I love this thing. I am a GoogleScholar-phile now. I worship it.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

question: how is this any kind of improvement over the exisiting academic databases?

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

It seems to be very helpful in the area I'm researching so that's nice. If Pubmed had a way of searching that returned in order of number of citations (does it?) that would be very nice too.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Amatuerist, for me, it's because other academic search engines, at least for the social sciences, don't have that citation link.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

WoK really is a vile, vile thing.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

question: how is this any kind of improvement over the exisiting academic databases?

First and foremost: WoK contains journal references, but no links. So after you search, you've got to open new windows, find the journal, and find the article. Google links directly to the article.

#of citations -- very cool

WoK never seems to find the stuff I'm looking for. Typically, I find it easier to go to a large publisher's site (e.g. Elsevier Science) and search all of their journals instead.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 06:24 (twenty-one years ago)

it's up to your institution (and if you aren't in one, then i see the problem) to integrate WoK into it's other resources. the U of Mn's library's display of WoK results gives you links to the full text online (in a subscribed-to journal, not just "on the internet"), or in the building, or in rare cases, somewhere else thru ILL.

look, research is not easy, but i don't trust this thing to really do it right. why, i don't know, since google did ok at being google and all... it's the totalizing impulse that rubs me wrong i guess.

g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 06:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Yet another mechanism to make plagiarism easier, too.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I would *never* rely on Google to do research for me ... I would use it to 1) quickly locate something that I already have some familiarity with, 2) produce a reasonable sampling of a particular author's work.

Anything involving multiple authors and journals; as well as work that I am seeing for the first time involves more careful thought and searching.

Yet another mechanism to make plagiarism easier, too.
If anything, it makes plagiarism more difficult. The internet is already the number one plagiarism-catcher -- an improved academic search engine will only make it easier to get caught.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, this is true, but only partially. But if you've ever engaged in a plagiarism case at university, it may well be for nothing. Having tried to charge three students with plagiarism (one was, in my opinion, more malacious than the others) and being rebuffed by two different institutions makes me wonder whether this will be the case. The problem is getting worse, not better.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

it's quite cool, but i don't see it replacing mathscinet for maths use. but i can imagine it'd be great for subjects that don't already have the citations thing.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

It really depends on the institution. Every plagiarism charge I've been near (which, working as a writing tutor, instructing, and dating two instructors, has been a lot, across three institutions), academic probation was immediate, and expulsion avoided only at the request of the instructor or myself.

I'm not sure how much this will really affect plagiarism -- it might make sorting or gauging searched material easier, but not in ways that really affect the "would this be a good paper to steal from or not" factor, and the plagiarizing kids often seem to be the ones perfectly happy to stick to regular google. (I have been told by one sophomore that Google is better than the search engines available through the university because Google covers the whole internet, after all.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

It's okay - finds a lot of stuff on Ingenta and Science Direct, which hmmm, you couldn't access without an Athens account anyhow. I won't be recommending it to my library users as a primary research tool, that would be counter-productive as we've invested a lot of time in promoting medical databases, full-text journal articles etc. Plus, google is only looking for keywords/phrases, it's not indexed with descriptors like Medline for eg.

Basically, I couldn't see it doing a better job than an actual database.

I'd say it may have some use as a back-up system - as it's quick and easy to use if you're looking for stuff straight away, or don't have access to databases. For professional use it's limited.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

don't have access to databases

I think this will be the key thing, and it's not bad for that reason -- not everyone does have such access, and it's good that there's a tool out there which provides a general guide which will hopefully improve more with time and commentary. And Orbit's point about the citation counter is a very good one, that's quite handy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

In my opinion, anyone doing degree level study should have access to appropriate databases. I hope that Google Scholar, isn't used as an excuse to under-invest in search services.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I do however, quite enjoy "Google Print":

http://print.google.com/

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice! It's stuff like that which keeps me interested in Google.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope that Google Scholar, isn't used as an excuse to under-invest in search services.
Absolutely.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

do people still use lexis-nexis anymore? it was hella expensive but worth it. i have no idea if google's thingy will improve on this, and i also hope institutions won't cheap out on searches like L-N due to google...

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

do people still use lexis-nexis anymore? it was hella expensive but worth it.

Very much so. Nicole's posted a few times referring to various L-N searches she's done, and a number of patrons I encounter at my library regularly use it as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Oasis fans will be upset b/c Google isn't standing on the shoulder of giants, and I worry for them

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Nicole's posted a few times referring to various L-N searches she's done

strangely, my lexis-nexis search for "fuck washing a hat" turned up 0 results.

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

this is really just a cheap way of doing next year's RAE isn't it?

stick researchers in, count citations, give grade ;)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...
Hmmm.

The letter to Google from the Association of American University Presses, which represents 125 non-profit-making academic publishers, is just the latest in a series of criticisms.

The Association wants clarification on 16 questions and claims the book-scanning scheme "appears to involve systematic infringement of copyright on a massive scale."

Its members depend on book sales and other licensing agreements for the majority of their revenues. They are worried that if users can get the information they want from its books by searching them online, they won't bother to buy them.

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Google said in a statement on Monday that it offers protection to copyright holders. For newer books still in copyright, users will only see a list of contents and a few sentences of text.

Only older, out-of-copyright books from Oxford University and from the New York Public Library will be scanned into the Google system.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

This is more Google Print than Google Scholar obv. but the two areas are a bit intertwined.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't found a use for google scholar at all yet :(

Digitising books is still super-classic.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

My instinct tells me that what's happening to the recording industry is about to happen to universities, and there's nothing they can do to stop it.

moley, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

you mean I can download a degree from grokster?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

will this engine circumvent the main problem with searching for hackademic articles: getting a gazillion bibliographies.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Well, that finally got settled:

The University of California libraries today (Wednesday) announced their partnership with Google to digitize books from the libraries' collections. UC becomes the latest partner in the Google Books Library Project, which was launched in December 2004 to digitize books drawn from the libraries of the University of Michigan, Harvard University, Stanford University, Oxford University, and the New York Public Library.

The digitized books will be searchable through Google Book Search. Google respects copyright law and has specifically designed Book Search to comply with it. Anyone will be able to freely view, browse and read UC's public domain books, including many of the treasures in the libraries' historic and special collections.

For books protected by copyright, users just get basic background (such as the book's title and the author's name), at most a few lines of text related to their search, and information about where they can borrow or buy the book.

If publishers or authors don't want to have their books digitized, they will be excluded.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Google's still not in the clear, several more publishing houses just sued them (along with the Author's Guild and co.).

I have a hard time believing that Google can dance around the law on this - digitizing, selling ad space, getting revenue from books sales, without prior consent of copyright holders (and I find Google's new 'copyrighted works won't really be available line suspect - what, exactly, are they going to digitize that isn't copyrighted? That's the last seventy years of publications).

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)


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