probably the latter ... i'll think more clearly after i eat some cranberry sauce.
my starting point: critiquing rockism in the arts (esp. music) is necessary and useful. critiquing "rockism" in politics is the exact opposite -- it's one of the reasons why we're stuck with bushco for another four years.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 25 November 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)
seven months pass...
well i think its okay coz see Marxism is for real cuz its a science while Dubya is so fake cuz its all about superstructual ideology
― i will spend 5 pages applying adornian theory to the latest nelly single but hav, Friday, 1 July 2005 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)
Hooray! Er.
Spencer had some thoughts on how this could all tie in over on ILM. I'd disagree in a certain blunt sense -- as far as I'm concerned, if an intelligent, motivated BushCo opponent happens to think music died with Dylan or the Beatles or Springsteen or whatever, the former qualities mean a hell of a lot more than the latter.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 July 2005 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)
i have no idea how one would apply "rockism" to politics--tad can you give an example?
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 1 July 2005 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)
yeah i used to be world expert on rockism (= me and three other ppl in the world knew "what it meant" and occasionally used it as a joke) (ah! misty water-coloured memories) and i can't really see how to apply it either
i use culture as a personal marker - ie someone says somethin stupid abt somethin cxultural and i assume their politics has holes in it - BUT you still have to do the work finding where the holes actuaslly are and pointing them out to others
i can sort of draw a parallel to rick perlstein's argt in his book about goldwater: that the right in the 60s - instead of just saying, this is the system, these are the values and discussion, we will nod and bob and wait our turn - put huge work into extending politics into new ("new" if you like, but not there in the 60s) areas, redrawing the cultural map to give themselves a lock on winning
and that the left (and in fact the "centre") have now to do the equivalent if they have a prayer of seizing power back on a sustained basis (rather than eg an ambiguous and self-destructive clintonian season at the wheel before the current game-as-is plays back to its natural masters)
(i've only read reviews of perlstein so if this is not v.clear apologies: another way you can put it is this --- distant wingers put a lot of work in enlarging the field of political topics and complaint so that, instead of far-out extremists, they seemed like centrists themselves)
but exploring this specifically in terms of "rockism" seems doomed to me: you'd have to spend like 62945 years explaining what the word meant in the first place
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 1 July 2005 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)
when i say "sort of draw a parallel" you will note i do not do the work actually drawing the parallel: what i mean is, i can sort of intuit that a parallel might be drawn, shd someone choose so to do (not me plz thx bye)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 1 July 2005 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)