TS . Pontormo vs. Bronzino

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Which Mannerist master do you prefer, the soulful master or his steely disciple? Been to the show in Philly- fill us in. Think it's a dumb idea for a thread- let us know about that too.

― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I like 'em both, but if I have to pick, I'll pick Bronzino, for reasons I'll disclose later, when I formulate them, should the thread live so long.

― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

bronzino, hands down. his frigid, fuck-you attitude was perfect for capturing the frigid, fuck-you attitude of the medici clan.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 27 November 2004 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

bronzio

― anthony, Saturday, 27 November 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
OTM. With lots of portraits, you go and see them and you think something like "man that guy's got a nice red hat" or "that's a nice fur collar, I'll bet it's warm" or "he sure is funny looking" or "I guess that was their idea of beauty in those days." But with Agnolo B., you can really see the wealth and power these people had, and that they weren't about to let it be taken from them.

Spelling mistakes aside. I guess this thread is unanimous.

― Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 28 November 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno. Sometimes you want a bit of softness. And Pontormo could do the odd bit of architecture. Eh, taking sides: plastic-looking power-flesh vs compositional dynamics.

Ultimately, P gets my vote simply for this:

ihttp://www.wga.hu/art/p/pontormo/1/03josep3.jpg

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 29 November 2004 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

When I think of Pontormo, I think of long-nosed, sallow looking madonnas and ugly, long babies. This kind of sums it up for me
http://www.artmag.com/museums/a_image/sancar03.jpg
(also, is that breast attached to her body?)

Bronzino on the other hand... I'll never forget the first time I went into the Tribune in the Uffizi - I was utterly transfixed. All those pretty girls with steely eyes, like cinquecento school bitches (and a jolly, fat baby for good measure). This is my favourite Bronzino though - big trident and glimpse of cock!
ihttp://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/doria.jpg

― Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 29 November 2004 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

You filthy madam. It's that Bronzino Venus & Cupid that puts me off - the way his body has been totally warped in order to have his head in the right position for snogging his own mum. I know that's what Mannerism is all about, but eww. Give me a slinky Gothic curve any day, but displacement of the spine I will not have.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 29 November 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

What about displacement of the boob (see above)?

Tell you what, you can have Pontormo and I'll have Bronzino. Then we're both happy.

― Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 29 November 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm saying that's just premature sag in the above picture. But yes, you can have the dude.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 29 November 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

The spinal displacement of Cupid in Bronzino's Allegory is one of the complaints of the fictional model for him, Giuseppe, in my novel "Cupid and the Silent Goddess", which imagines how the painting might have been created.
See: http://www.twentyfirstcenturypublishers.com/index.asp?PageID=496

Pontormo and Cosimo de' Medici appear, as well.

― Alan Fisk, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 08:15 (twenty years ago)

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