Word Sets: A Game

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It's very easy to mock Suede by assembling a ten-word set which inevitably includes "metal," "animal," "poison," "dragon," and "shake." This is basically what's great about Suede.

Provide ten-word sets that encapsulate bands' aesthetics only slightly more than they caricature them.

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(Inspired by listening to All of This and Nothing last night and realizing that the Psychedelic Furs = heaven, hell, stupid, useless, broken, painted, lie, flowers, fall, papers.)

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(Also note that it is acceptable to condense categorical references, such that one appearance each of the swallow, the starling, the finch, and the magpie could be denoted as [birds of various sorts].)

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One of the Brit monthly rags did something like this a few years ago, something like 'ten-phrase band lyric starter kits' or something. Suede quite logically was one of the choices. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nick Cave: Murder Mercy Henry Medicine Burning Devil Red Unclean Interventionist God

RickyT, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned = quite, flounce, bows, endlessly, resulted, heck, heartily, merely, flagrantly, bah.

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Smiths: Lights, Oscillate, Wildly, Vulgar, Teacher, Handsome, Man, Poetry, Charming, Lonely

katie, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sebadoh = sensitive, asshole, confuse, glasses, skull, rock, crackle, weed, mass, dinosaur.

I do quite like Sebadoh by the by.

james, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I would add to the Smiths: (a) "tonight," or today, tomorrow, &c., and (b) specific English place-names, even if you don't count "Panic."

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Belle and Sebastian = boy, girl, town, school, job (or references to specific jobs), star/famous, sleep, dirty, bus, story.

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

just to get you back Nitsuh :):) i would add a shop name (eg Boots, Marks & Spencer) and rain to that list.

katie, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Slayer= Blood, War, Thrash, Hair, Cross, Skeletons, Fire, Abyss, Deaf, Death

james, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kristin Hersh/Throwing Muses: Husband, Children, Heat/Flame, Mania, Sharp, Spooky, Drums, Head, Ice, various rooms

katie, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i like this game but i need some sleep now, goodnight all!

katie, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Smashing Pumpkins = bald, melodrama, verne, today, tonight, zero, quiet, loud, dream, rocket

james, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You are so totally right about the shop name, Katie: for some reason I leaped from there to "various jobs" without noting the distinction. Also worth adding: clergymen of various sorts.

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Damn, i was trying to do B&S as you wrote that Nitsuh, i kept on adding silly words like cardigan and wee rockin' horse. However "judy" should clearly be added to the list, as should "kissing" probably.

Ride: Hoi, skoi, floi, dreams, fringe, lips...

i get the feeling i'm not very good at this for some reason

OK, one last go: Wedding Present: why, leave, space, you, row, left, your, trust, love, kevin...

carsmilesteve, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Next comes the part where we write letters to the bands and tell them what their names should have been. "Smashing Pumpkins" obviously were "Dream Rockets," while "Belle and Sebastian" should clearly have been "Dirty Boots Schoolboy and the Famous Town Minibus Vicars."

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kraftwerk = robotic, red, smart, morning, meandering, building, ascending, car, neon, distance

james, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i kept on adding silly words like cardigan and wee rockin' horse

Fascist game-spoiler sez: words should preferably be frequently used as well as emblematic! Otherwise we run toward cheap caricature. And thinking over actual word frequency is a good way of either confirming or refuting your gut-level sense of what X band is on about.

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whoah, I just accidentally slipped into Sterling's syntax. That was weird.

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned = quite, flounce, bows, endlessly, resulted, heck, heartily, merely, flagrantly, bah

You forgot 'I' and 'me,' dammit.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jesus and Mary Chain: Jesus, fuck, suck, come, scum, rain, candy, black, dead, hole.

Johnathan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned -- I think I forgot Why, then, won't you grant me the same courtesy?, the finishing touch on the patent-pending Radical Raggett Subjectivity smackdown move!

Nitsuh, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am too tired to caricature, so this isn't really what you wanted, but here are ten words which make me float in a warm, fuzzy, wistful sea of half-remembered Pavement lyrics. Feel free to do better and be more relevant if you wish, obviously.
angel, radio, sister, home, breathe, south, summer, sleep, pranksters, allez!

Some of those might more accurately be expanded to generic supersets (eg summer -> seasons, allez! -> "go!" in various languages, sister -> relatives, etc etc bla), but I, er, didn't like that option so much. OK, I'll shut up with my pointmissing nonsense now.

Rebecca, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Heh heh heh. It is a simple enough question, isn't it? ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It might be more fun to list the word-set without the band, like so:

Time, kill(er), road/street(s), fire, night, woman/girl, tell, Indian, promise, lizard/snake/toad [reptiles]

Or:

Cry, need, love, baby, today, motherfucker, generation, world(s)/earth, you, enemy

Or:

Desperation, green, floating, home, dead/dying/died, crazy/lunatic, wake/sleep, eiderdown, stay/leave, (bull)shit

Phil, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ooh, one more:

[girl's name], river, time, [name of a day of the week], day/night/rain/sun/moon/stars [or other meteorological/astronomical element], know, road, never, come/go/leave, fly/fall

Phil, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

donovan!

ethan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Very close.

Phil, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i was forced to watch a live video of Crowded House at work today. so here's the ten:

explosions, fireworks, volcanoes, flames, showers, burning, thunderclaps, emotions, stumbling, galaxies.

this is pretty much the dramatic nature of the lyrics of Crowded House. fitting because neil finn probably doesn't realise how cliche and boring those words are, just like his music.

di, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Phil: congratulations for finding the "game" in this!

I'm guessing the Doors, the Manics, Pink Floyd, and Nick Drake. Fairly certain about all but the Manics, which is a wild guess.

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Doors, definitely.

Sam, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Phil's is Simon and Garfunkel.

james, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(the last one he posted!)

james, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You forgot 'trouble' for Belle and Sebastian.

Nick, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Swans - failure, drink, pain, light, money, wretched, mistake, hurt, power, failure

Andrew L, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

going back to the original post, can we not just mock suede for fun any way we like?

Alan Trewartha, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Phil's last one above = NIck Drake? How close is that to Donovan, exactly?

Ellie, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ooops, Nitsuh already caught that.

Ellie, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nitsuh got 'em all (well done) except for my second one, which was admittedly the vaguest by far. Hmmmm. How to further clue that one?...

(And yes, I think the distance between Nick Drake and Donovan is a short one, or at the very least there's a connection there. I like both, though, so...)

Phil, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Second = of four, btw. The "motherfucker" one. Still thinking about how to further clue that one.

Phil, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, well, it was Jefferson Airplane. Here's another pair:

joint(s), Brooklyn/Crooklyn/BKLYN/New York/uptown/downtown, cream/creamin'/creamy, [name of insect], cats, black, [astronomy reference], funk/funky/funkay, nation, beats

Phil, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And:

Blood, God, [the word "city" or the name of an American city], power, hot, feel, man/woman/girl/lady, give, rock, sex/dick/suck/motherfucker/etc.

Phil, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

wu! and some terrible protopunk/metal band no doubt.

ethan, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nope. And, um, depends on how you define "protopunk/metal". (Respectively.)

Phil, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Protopunk/metalists the Red Hot Chili Peppers?

Arthur, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bingo! Now how 'bout the other one?

Phil, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pet Shop Boys - dog, dancing, shopping, disco, choices, devices, rent, money, love, leave

MarkH, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, c'mon. It's easy. "Crooklyn"? [Name of insect]?

Phil, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

m.o.p.? i honestly have no clue, the only crooklyn references i can think of (besides crooklyn dodgers) are in 'clan in da front' and a few mash-out posse tracks, and i figured the insect thing meant for sure it was wu.

ethan, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1) Kiss, love, spinning, die, cats, scream, eyes, cold, hands, I.

2) Heaven, hell, saints, reward, fleas, paradise, diseases, hospital, tonsils, gashing.

3) God, lust, erotic, cross, heaven, lace, kiss, badness, royal, funk.

4) Muscle, hate, force, machine, chant. (This should be a gimme.)

5) Satan, surf, sex, Christians, devil, murder, flesh, Jesus, killer, movie.

6) Blunt, spliff, dope, hash, pot, weed, hash, ganja, shotgun, Latino.

If you're familiar with the bands, these are all really easy.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

BTW, the one that Phil posted which stumped Ethan is Digible Planets.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Very easy. But a good laugh with some of the word choices. :-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How'd I do, Dan?:

1) the Cure

2) ???

3) Prince

4) NIN (or Henry Rollins)

5) White Zombie

6) Cypress Hill

fritz, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You got 1, 3, and 6. I can see NIN for 4, but I would have included "hurt," "pain", "pity", "hole" and "fishnets". White Zombie would never have occured to me for 5, but I can see that one, too. If I'd been thinking of them, I'd have added "human" or "boogeyman".

I was really proud of the Cypress Hill one.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

should i be embarrassed or proud that i think i am not just lousy but degree-zero clueless at this game?

it is probably worth pointing out that i know the FULL WORDS ACCURATELY to possibly no songs at all…

mark s, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm having fun seeing just which of these ten-word sets actually bring up the right band on Google. A lot of Dan's do, though the Cure set brings up thousands of lyric pages for loads of different bands with Sonic Youth near the top. My Pavement one doesn't bring up any hits, which is disappointing, since I know all those words feature in pave lyrics and there's a big text file of almost every Pavement lyric ever floating around the net somewhere. Sniffle.

Rebecca, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh yeah, this is probably an easy one:
socialism, [name of obscure and/or outdated musical instrument], war, revolution, moon, laisser-faire, infinity, colour, chord, censorship

Nearly passes the google test, too.

Rebecca, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought KMFDM and the Cramps for Dan's (4) and (5). But KMFDM weren't all that verbal, so ... what mid-80s industrialists? They all said the same thing: Ministry? Skinny Puppy? Does it really matter, even to those of us who like that stuff?

Nitsuh, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It was the "surf" that made me say the Cramps, but minus that I'd have said MLWTTTK too.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ART BEARS!! Oh I am so cool and down with the kids after all!! *Dances*

mark s, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm going to pat myself on the back here:

A Google search on "Crooklyn, creamy, insect, cats, black, funk, nation, beats" yields one hit, and it's a good one.

A Google search on "Blood, God, city, power, hot, feel, girl, give, rock, sex" yields 15,000 hits, and look what comes up first!

And a search on "Desperation, green, floating, home, died, crazy, sleep, eiderdown, stay, shit" gets two hits, both Pink Floyd.

Phil, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nitsuh, you clearly haven't heard _Hit And Run Holiday_, otherwise MLWTTKK would have been your first guess. That's who I was thinking of, at any rate.

#4 should be much easier than people are making it. The big clue is that all of those words come from one song. I would only expect Brian MacDonald to recognize #2.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Di, Neil Finn's images are cliche and boring? Argaghhhh... you, you blasphemer! How could you?

Hey now, so I've got a head full of thunder, which is only natural, so now I think I'm going to stumble to my knees in the kitchen on the burning beach and then I'd better be off to go make a hole in the river.

I just wuv him. I can't help it.

Kim, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

digables are gay, i'm glad i didn't know that.

ethan, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I see now, Dan. I could never listen to them because I grew sick of people making jokes involving my name and theirs.

Nitsuh, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

digables are gay

That sentence is false in so many different ways.

Phil, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

#4 should be much easier than people are making it.

*Astoundingly* easy I'd have thought. But I do like Nitsuh's explanation, the poor bastard.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Of course it's easy for you, Ned, seeing as YOU ARE DAN.

Nitsuh, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I rest comfortably in the knowledge that I inhabit his brain without even trying.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So Ned, did you get #2? And how did I enjoy my weekend in Nantucket, since you're al up in my brain?

Dan Perry, Sunday, 2 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Number #2, I admit, still gets me, so congratulations. You had a great weekend in Nantucket looking at all the old whalebones and fundamentalist dogma churches and the monuments to DEATH. Maybe?

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 2 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Although...#2 might be Skinny Puppy.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 2 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You got the correct record label, at least... :)

I actually spent my time on Nantucket wandering the streets peering in at galleries, buying fudge and a pair of KICK-ASS Merrill boots that I probably can't afford but had to own. I also spent a lot of time eating food that was far too rich (cheese tortellini in a gorgonzola cream sauce with gorgonzola sprinkled on top = TOO MUCH FUCKING GORGONZOLA; I am a bloated mess). Overall, the Nantucket Christmas Stroll is a little anticlimactic; we waited two hours for a "parade" which ended up being Santa riding in a car up a street approximately 800 yards long. Still, can't argue with free housing in the summer house of the editor of PC Computing... Viva Ziff-Davis!

Dan Perry, Sunday, 2 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You got the correct record label, at least... :)

Hrmph. Tear Garden? Delerium?

I actually spent my time on Nantucket wandering the streets peering in at galleries, buying fudge and a pair of KICK-ASS Merrill boots that I probably can't afford but had to own.

Dude, come out to Carmel with Joei and stay with me and my family, you'll get all that and you won't freeze. ;-)

I also spent a lot of time eating food that was far too rich (cheese tortellini in a gorgonzola cream sauce with gorgonzola sprinkled on top = TOO MUCH FUCKING GORGONZOLA; I am a bloated mess).

You are a sick fuck. Empanadas are my cuisine discovery of the weekend, Argentinian nummy things that are like big fancy tasty dumplings with all sorts of fillings and styles that don't taste too heavy. Amazing.

Still, can't argue with free housing in the summer house of the editor of PC Computing... Viva Ziff-Davis!

I'll grant you that. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hrmph. Tear Garden? Delerium?

Now Ned. Think of Nettwerk bands that both Brian and I are obsessed with. Then think of the words "gashing" and "tonsils".

Dude, come out to Carmel with Joei and stay with me and my family, you'll get all that and you won't freeze. ;-)

We'll have to spend more than $150 just to get out there, though. Still, I might have a job by the end of the week *fingers crossed*, so price might not matter.

You are a sick fuck.

It wasn't my recipe, yo.

Empanadas are my cuisine discovery of the weekend, Argentinian nummy things that are like big fancy tasty dumplings with all sorts of fillings and styles that don't taste too heavy. Amazing.

YUM. Empanadas are wonderful.

It strikes me that maybe this should go to email... :)

Dan Perry, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, keep going.

Nitsuh, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm trying to think of another hint that won't be blatantly obvious. Actually, if Brian was paying attention to this thread, he'd have guessed it by now.

Dan Perry, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nurse With Wound?

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ha! No, not Nurse With Wound. I guess this group is more obscure than I thought they were. The hint I think of as the huge giveaway is that they're from Australia.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Men at Work? Midnight Oil? AC/DC? Patrick Rafter?

Phil, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

By the way, Dan's number four is clearly Nitzer Ebb.

Kim, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And number two is Single Gun Theory. Maybe.

Kim, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh well, if we're actually supposed to be guessing, I thought it was Severed Heads. Though I must admit I have no idea who Single Gun Theory are so I could be wrong.

Rebecca, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually I change my vote to Rebecca's. Severed Heads is a better answer. Single Gun Theory isn't nearly gory enough to be right.

Kim, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

#4 is definitely Nitzer Ebb (although I likd Nitsuh's answer best). And congrats to Rebecca for getting Severed Heads! I really thought that one would be easier than it was.

I was trying to think of a word set for New Order, but couldn't come up with a good one.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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