Public Speaking. Utterly Horrific

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Ok, I have to do a 10-15 minute presentation on Thursday, on my own, to a class full of um, people. i have never done anything like this before and it is really really terrifying me. I had to do a 1 minute piece earlier this term and instead of being normal and just getting on with talking I stood there and stared and couldn't say anything and spent the rest of the lecture shaking. Now I have this thing which is much bigger and 40% of my course. I know what to do, I know the subject, I just cannot think how I am going to stop myself cracking up again. Basically, I am fucked. How on earth do I remain calm enough to do 10 mins? ARGGGGHHHGGG! It has to be done, yet I can't see how I can do this at all.

alix, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gin?

Sarah, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sobriety is kind of essential.

alix, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am going to tell you a hippy dippy women's magazine technique that I find works rather well. You have rather a vivid imagination, don't you? SO use it to your benefit.

Lying in bed tonight, imagine yourself going into the lecture. Do everything you would want to do in a perfect presentation. If you make a mistake, go back to the beginning and start again. Rehearse it in your mind over and over again. Don't forget the rapturous applause from your audience at the end. It won't totally take your nerves away, but nerves are good because they get all sorts of excited chemicals pumping round your system that will make you brilliant.

Take note shy kids: this technique also helps with chatting up the lady or gentleman of your dreams.

Madchen, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have 2 like that I have to do next week. I hate them too, but it seems like every class I've had the last couple semesters calls for at least one presentation.

Rehearsing it (actually going through the presentation aloud with a friend or two) can help.

And keep in mind most people in your class are probably zoning out and thinking about sex, paying the bills, etc. when you're up there giving your speech and aren't paying that much attention, so the focus isn't really all on you.

Nicole, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am counting on no one actually listening. Hopefully not even my lecturer. I mean, she's heard it all before, she edited the book, she'll be bored senseless. Did I mention that my other lecturer pronounces 'dipthong' as 'dif-dong'? I still find that funny. I am thinking, maybe I could separate the part of me that gets embarrassed and shy and activate a whole different personality. I only have until Thursday though. This is not sufficient time to cleave my psyche.

alix, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Get some of your ILE mates along to hoot and cheer.

Tom, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Alix: the Law of the Audience is this — you any say ANY OLD TOSS provided you say it cheerfully and convincingly and they will LAP it up and CHEER YOU TO THE ECHO. Sitting in a crowd totally switches off all critical faculties. Don't apologise, and don't give them permission to disbelieve or disdain you: you are an ENTERTAINER for [x] minutes, and hey! you are NOT BEING PAID for your pains. You are cool and they are honoured to be sat there listening.

You can probably actually prove this to yourself by deliberately talking bollocks firmly, if you like. But it seems a bit tacky.)

mark s, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Madchen's advice is very good, as hard as some people will find this to believe I am quite shy myself, but presentations no longer hold any fear for me, however Lixi, you won't want to follow my advice. Read about the subject the daty before so you know it thoroughly. Get drunk at night so you sleep well (but not enough to give a rampant hangover). Get up early, browse notes.

Go into lecture and just talk, not at any one person but kind of as if scanning the room, that way, people think you're still making eye contact (lecturers like that). And make sure you can answer the questions they will ask, a lot of times this is considered more important tthan the talk itself as it shows in-depth knowledge and the ability to think on ones feet.

At college we had to give presentations weekly and I do it now at work, it's a question of getting used to it.

chris, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They won't ask questions. It is 4pm on a Thursday, and everyone is vacant. Except me, who will be breathing deeply and thinking useful thoughts. How do I know if I'm speaking loud enough? I'm vaguely interested in seeing how I cope, in an objective way. Mainly shitting it though. I will, no doubt, report back. Has anyone got any panic attack drugs?

alix, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The key thing to remember is that they aren't listening so do it as quick as possible and get out. Presentations are nowhere near as bad as training where there'll be a hardcore of 20% who ARE listening and want you to teach them things and everybody else is clockwatching. In a work setting don't bother with jokes - they aren't funny. My friend Fran used to start every training session by asking people a question and that sometimes worked but it's a high-risk tactic.

Tom, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom, not forgetting the one bastard in training who already seems to know everything you are teaching them and is determined to catch you out and ask bastardish questions at the end, or even worse interrupt you mid-flow with a sentence starting "I think you'll find......."

I have just found out that in the countdown to redundancy, my job title from the first of February will be "training and support" oh great.

chris, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Forget him? Cabbage, I was him! Sorry.

Tom, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Right I am off. Next time I will have done the deed. Thankyou for you assistance. I will try to remember it. I will not however, do the imagine them naked thing. I just don't fancy it, and the weather's a bit too nippy chill for that.

alix, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's shit isn't it. I try to avoid them. What a mumbling fool I turn into. Post-college I've only done two about computergames, one a was pretty good because half the audience was indeed not paying attention and I was sitting behind a PC to show some old-skool games on MAME while talking and when I lost track I could pause by playing some Seawolf or whatever. Second one was a disaster because some pedantic members of the audience weren't buying the things I was saying. Brrr, torture, although it got better when steered it towards more of a discussion with me throwing in some ideas Springer style. Hey, that was actually a smart move. ;)

Omar, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I found being thrown in at the deep end helped when I started teaching. After that my overwhelming regard and appreciation for the sound of my voice took care of the rest. I'm sure most of my students were thinking about sex, etc. as Nicole notes, if only because that fits my own Life as an Undergrad. But they all paid when I graded. HA!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I rather enjoy public speaking in a ramshackle way. Never prepare, have a vague list of things which need to be touched on and then - oddly - an hour later its all over and lots of people clap me on the back and tell me how funny I was.

At least that's a good day. On a bad day I have been called wacky.

Pete, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Practice is all that really makes it easier. Good luck to you.

Maria, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maria is right.

Are you taking questions at the end alix? That part is EASILY the most nerve-wracking for me. I haff some tips if you are.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Who started the myth that nerves are a good thing which make you brilliant? They're not, they make you rubbish.

Yes, prepared jokes are a mistake, since they always sound prepared and are therefore DUD. Luckily you are one of the funniest off-the- cuff people I know. Good luck Lix.

Ally C, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Lixi,

Saturday night you were supremely self confident & entertaining in public.

Perhaps being Tipsy-Lix helped.

David, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I know all about it, I can be ridiculously shy to the point of not having left the house for long periods, and I mean long periods, but I've had to give lots of presentations and things, including lecturing to full lecture halls and so on. I guess you've given your speech now. I thought Mark S's advice was good. It would be interesting to see how much different it makes if you prepare a 'rubbish' presentation. To be honest, based on my own experiences, I think forcing everyone to give presentations is cruel. I taught a stage one paper with a lot of non-English speaking students, and our over-confident American HOD insisted that everyone in the paper give a speech as part of their assessment. Frankly it was unnecessary, and just seemed a way to waste time in class and give the lecturers some cheap amusement. It obviously caused some students an exorbitant amount of discomfort. But I guess it would take a shy person to notice that.

maryann, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

whenever i used to do public speaking I always got really nervous, to the point my whole body would be shaking. So I had to walk round a bit and concentrate on controlling my voice. thankfully I've never had to do a 40% one. It seems sadistic to do that to the students really. Generally I just imagined that there was no-one watching and largely ignored the audience; it sounds strange when you are saying a humourous speech but I knew how it was supposed to work, my timing is pretty good so it went off well. Sorry I can't be of more help, but good luck anyway

Menelaus Darcy, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As you've all probably guessed from the length of my posts, I quite enjoy speaking publicly; apparently all of the self-esteem missing in my personal life gets transferred onto my opinions. I would much rather give a thirty-minute speech to 100 people than spend five minutes trying to make conversation with a stranger, which pretty handily explains why I rarely get laid.

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Exaggerated self-deprecation ain't helping either!!!

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

At least you're honest with your desires. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Speak slowly and shift your weight half way through. I did this when I had to read in church recently, and it knocked 'em dead. It also makes you feel like Otis Redding or somebody. There are herbal remedies to help you stay calm.

Peter Miller, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Are we thinking of the same herb? Cause the one I'm thinking of would make matters worse in the paranoia dept. at least. Although it probably slows down your speech a bit, which can be a bit of a problem (voice as runaway train ;). I remember I once did a fairly brilliant, rather informal, short speech and I think the reasons it worked were: good suit + no preperation/endless fear beforhand + a beer. :)

Omar, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, i'm thinking of Valeriana or whatever it's called.

Peter Miller, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Didn't help me. :( Nerves break through that shit.

Omar, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Do what I did this morning for my Business Skills presentation and stay in bed.

Graham, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Incidentally, it is the day before and even though I had no intention of coming here it is preferable to typing. The computor labrador shuts in 30 mins. I am nowhere near done and panicking vaguely. I have tomorrow morning. If only I had got up sooner today. I seem to lack vital motivating skills. I do however, have pages and pages of notes. ARRGRHRRRRRGRGRGGRGRGGRGRHHRGRHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAA. Today is no good.

alix, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There is a new drug being tested in Glasgow to overcome shyness, apparently.

Lixi, how did it go?

Ally C, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ten months pass...
I have to do a 10 minute presentation on Digital Cinema this week to ONE GUY, except I've got to do it like it's proper public speaking.

HELP ME.

Graham (graham), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 14:05 (twenty-three years ago)

i find this terrifying. i cannot do it at all. when i had to be part of a group presentation in my first year, i told the others that my grandad had fallen ill, and that i had to drive my mum down to exeter to see him. a) i dont have a grandad. b) i cant drive

in the 2nd and 3rd years there were minipresentations which you had to do in seminar groups for each module, but they didn't count towards your degree (even though they were compulsory). i chose the penultimate week every time, and then just didn't show

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't show for a Marketing class presentation, and it was a group presentation for which I'd have only had to speak for 2-3 minutes! Dropped my final grade 2 letters.

Debilitating fear of public speaking is widespread, and it would infuriate me that instructors would never acknowledge this and offer some concession for it. I think my problem with it is that I never give a flying fuxz0r about whatever it is I have to speak about, so therefore the whole speech is just an act -- me standing in front of a room not as myself, but as someone who has some sort of genuine interest in and motivation for giving this speech. I guess I'm just not much of an actor.

The other scary thing is that my anxiety level preceding the speech was never an indicator of how I'd perform: I've felt loose and confident going in only to bomb magnificently, and other times I was a pallid sweating wreck only to give a relaxed, even enjoyable speech... ugh.

Aaron A., Tuesday, 1 October 2002 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

the beginning of presentations are terrifying but once I start i feel better after a while, I calm down (though i'm always fully alert). the worst thing is the question. i can't hear things properly.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

and i can't argue properly when everyone is watching. i'm better with one to one arguing.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I know PowerPoint is cheesy, but if you can utilize I would say go for it. I find it helps with public speaking, because I feel like some of the focus is off of me and I can put my thoughts together a bit more coherently.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah anything to aid presentation is good but also you've got to practice a lot on your own against a clock.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 20:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Graham, pretend you're chatting him up.

rainy (rainy), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 03:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh I can do that.

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 07:36 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
I forgot, Rainy. Sorry.

I had it today. It went alright, until my notes ran out and I realised I needed some form of conclusion. And I just stodd there for about 30 seconds and I think I ended up saying something like, "And it all means a better experience for everyone involved. And that's all I have to say about that". I think I passed.

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm doing one on monday and i haven't even started making the fucking slides yet!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

"And it all means a better experience for everyone involved. And that's all I have to say about that".

Genius!

rainy (rainy), Thursday, 17 October 2002 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks Rainy!

(It's from Forrest Gump, obv.)

Graham (graham), Thursday, 17 October 2002 09:22 (twenty-three years ago)

oh presentations. I was terrible at them, I used to sort of go all flambouyant and make little whispered jokes to myself.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 17 October 2002 09:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I had it today. It went alright, until my notes ran out and I realised I needed some form of conclusion. And I just stodd there for about 30 seconds and I think I ended up saying something like, "And it all means a better experience for everyone involved. And that's all I have to say about that". I think I passed.

That's actually a great save Graham! If it were me, I usually end up saying stuff like, "Er...hmm. Don't know where my notes went. Um, I forget what I was going to say to wrap up, so I guess this ends my discussion". Public speaking, not really my strong suit. Speaking in general is not even my strong suit.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 17 October 2002 11:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Excellent save considering it was about digital cinema (Gump being THE effects picture that tried to play down the starring role of effects in cinema with Gary Sneezy's legs and that darn feather).

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 17 October 2002 11:41 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...
i'm giving a (90 minute) talk in 20 minutes, which i wrote a couple of weeks ago, and i've just looked at my notes and they make no sense to me! obviously i should have looked at them earlier, but wish me luck, anyway.

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:10 (twenty-three years ago)

good luck!

you guys do 90 min talk eh? we do 30 mins max (w questions afterwards)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

it's maths, no one will notice!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Good luck, you know the stuff - just tell the binary joke and you'll have them in your pocket.

(Mark is unfortuantely OTM).

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)

haha mark if only. actually i have just discovered that i didn't ever get round to writing the last page of notes, so i'm going to have to stretch the rest of the material out and then "run out of time to finish". aaaargh.

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

''it's maths, no one will notice!''

i just wish this was the case with inorganic chemistry.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Er julio, its even more the case with inorganic chemistry.

What you've got to rmember is that your audience wants to be there about as much as you do.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

julio all you have to do is turn lead into gold

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

this has been said many times but I'll say it again: mark s is OTM! oh yes he is!!!!!

''What you've got to rmember is that your audience wants to be there about as much as you do.''

um, even the profs who will scrutinise every word i'll be uttering on march 21st.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Especially the profs. Do they want to make extra work for themselves? Nobody does. Appear competent and any actual errors will be put down to you working too hard (and will be picked up in corrections).

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:27 (twenty-three years ago)

are you joking pete?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

From my experience, no, Pete is not joking. And he is even more not joking about the inorganic chemistry thing. Anything that is not one of their specific resarch projects they couldn't give a fuck about. Remember, students are an incovenience to them, and nothing more. My advice on public speaking: write it out, and then read it til you're absolutely fucking sick of it and ya can't takes no more. Works for me at least.

SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

When you begin your talk, say (as deadpan as possible) "I'd like to personally dedicate today's presentation to Gene Simmons of the rock group KISS." Breaks the ice.

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

the trouble was that quite a lot of the audience were really interested in what i was saying, and asked lots of hard questions. on the other hand i managed to answer them, just about, so it's all ok.

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

hurrah!!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:03 (twenty-three years ago)

godel was wrong, it's consistent AND complete!!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

biggest talk of my career on wednesday. c4ltech is scary! in state of pretty much constant anguish for past couple of days. rewarding myself with major time by the ocean after this is done.

caek, Sunday, 21 June 2009 17:19 (sixteen years ago)

four years pass...

I seem to be the only person in my workplace that has a huge problem with public speaking. I've actually overcome some of my fear of speaking to strangers in 'venues' just by practicing like hell and having done it a few times. Pro-tip: if it's appropriate, I find it helpful to have the audience arranged at tables (like a wedding!) rather than in rows staring at you.

So anyway, that's semi-ok - it's having to present complex information at smaller meetings that I cannot seem to do. Everyone else is articulate and confident because we all know each other, yet as soon as I have to do it I get flustered and mix up words stupidly, then become very aware of the sound of my own voice which makes it worse. I'm actually feeling a bit sick thinking of one I did this week because it's stuff I know really well yet I sound like I'm learning it myself for the first time. I think people have some sympathy as I'm obviously nervous, but this is probably wearing thin after being in the job for years and being a generally functioning adult.

kinder, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 19:00 (twelve years ago)

Do you practice these presentations too? The only solution is to practice until you get used to the sound of your own voice and as a by product you will know the material better.

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 20:23 (twelve years ago)

I did not, well only in my head and talking about it with a colleague. I should have, but I also have this feeling that I shouldn't need to, I should just be able to chat about this stuff.

kinder, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 22:18 (twelve years ago)

in a few days i have my big final-year-of-phd presentation that they make us do, 45 mins of talk and 45 minutes of questions with an audience of ~60. inconveniently the time i'd set aside as preparation time has coincided with a viciously persistent infection so instead of a few weeks prep time i effectively have a few days. boned.

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 22:23 (twelve years ago)

here's how my partner helped me prepare when I just *couldn't* (he is pretty experienced at it)... taking my own notes and doing the presentation at me, with absolutely no idea what a word of it meant. It helped me hear the content more objectively when you have probably learned it on repeat until it becomes meaningless. Then you can jump in and explain how it should be done and engage with your own material a bit better, and identify tricky points that might need help to get across.

kinder, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 22:36 (twelve years ago)

just talk to them about stuff

j., Wednesday, 12 February 2014 22:37 (twelve years ago)

I don't actually understand the point of presentations.

I just had to sit through a 90 minute prevention and question session today. As usual, the presentation contained less information than could fit on a singe sheet of A4. It must be the least effective way of disseminating information ever!

Presentations seem like a 'badge of honour' - like proof of some kind of macho ability of being able to play live. Usually based on a time-honoured cliched format.

It's more interesting to be like the Pet Shop Boys and "quite like proving that we can't cut it live". The best presentations for me are ones that turn into an informal conversation.

mohel hell (Bob Six), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 22:41 (twelve years ago)

I agree to an extent, although the ones I've had to do are like teaching - where we've already produced the information but it needs breaking down and practical exercises talked through.
Turning into an informal conversation *is* often the point, ime

kinder, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 22:43 (twelve years ago)

part of my problem is I have some physiological reaction to having multiple sets of eyes on me at once and that sends 50% of my brain into panic mode

kinder, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 22:44 (twelve years ago)

I did see a really impressive presentation by a Banking chief recently. Informed on the way into the event by an aide that the audience was 'hostile', he basically ditched his prepared speech and said to them "I hear you're a bit feisty. Ask me anything!" - and carried it off.

mohel hell (Bob Six), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 22:48 (twelve years ago)

If you know your audience and it's a fridndly one, just try to give yourself the chance to be as natural as possible, which means getting over your nerves which means practicing. No shame in being well prepared. (I teach public speaking and take ESL students from terrified to "I have a toolbox for this situation" in ~ 16 weeks. The only students who don't improve are the ones with such strong language egos that they expect perfection from themselves and get upset when they don't achieve it.)

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 23:18 (twelve years ago)

Or they're overconfident and think they don't need/shouldn't need to practice, so they don't.

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 23:20 (twelve years ago)

Ugh, friendly!

we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 23:22 (twelve years ago)

seems even more terrifying now that Alix never returned to report on how it went… (public speaking: the one-way ticket)

Paul, Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:18 (twelve years ago)

thanks LL, you are doing God's work
in this case, I wasn't nervous at all until ppl started looking at me!

kinder, Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:24 (twelve years ago)


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