Has any celebrity death had an unexpectedly profound impact on you?

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I was talking to some friends about this the other day and even though I had no particularly strong feelings either way for Paula Yates before she died, I was pretty upset when I heard she was dead. I continue to be mildly upset and interested in her whenever her name crops up.

The only other celeb death I ever had this kind of reaction to was Karen Carpenter. Oh and John Peel's death last year would be in the same league.

Stiletto, Sunday, 16 January 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to say, I do remember exactly where I was when I heard that Paula Yates had died (on a train from Stirling to Edinburgh, first thing in the morning).

I also remember exactly was when I heard that John Peel had died, too. (in the office of the Managing Director at work - I can't remember what I was there for, but I remember him telling me about Peel's death)

caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 16 January 2005 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Most people here, myself included, would probably cite John Peel's death, especially if this thread is anything to go by. Celebrity deaths generally don't seem to affect me much, but I'd imagine I'd be pretty shaken if, say, Gary Lineker died tomorrow.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 16 January 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Although, reaction to John Peel's death was probably not unexpected because he was so universally loved. So maybe he's not the best example.

I just was kind of thinking about people who you never felt too much about one way or another and you were surprised at how you reacted upon hearing about their death and the subsequent depth of feelings you experienced for some time after. Like I said, Paula Yates is a good example of this for me.

Stiletto, Sunday, 16 January 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I was completely unaffected by Princess Diana's death, except for two things:

a) I worked out that at the exact moment that her car crashed, I was having sex. This pleased me immensely.
b) Within a few hours I wanted Normal Telly back again. No more endless rolling "we think the Princess's body will be returned to Britain on..." news programmes, plz!

caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 16 January 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't if I'd say 'unexpectedly profound', but Phil Hartman's death was quite a shock.

Joe (Joe), Sunday, 16 January 2005 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

What? No mention of whatsisname? You know, that entertainer with the huge following of rabid fans, the one who kicked the bucket in the prime of life. Young, popular, talented. The sort of person you felt knew your inner angst, provided you were also young about the time and were unusually angst-ridden. Your role model at age 15. That one.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually went into denial over Aaliyah's death.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Robert Quine's was easily the most affecting I can think of this year.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

personally, of course

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. only ones that immediately come into mind are Paul Wellstone, Douglas Adams, ODB, and Phil Hartman.

oh yeah, and Fred Rogers.

kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

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gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

1. John Lennon
2. D. Boon

"unexpectedly profound impact" = I was very upset, but didn't go to a monastery or become a superhero or anything.

I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Peel.

Cobain, but for more personal reasons (I had also debilitating stomach problems, but I was diagnosed, 'cured' and so on, and was not a madly under pressure rock star / cash cow to be kept working at all costs)

mark grout (mark grout), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave Godin, for similar reason to mark grout's.

Bumfluff, Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

John Lennon was upsetting, kind of by proxy, since my mother was crying. Apart from that, I was quite sad when Rod Hull passed away.

KeithW (kmw), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ayrton Senna, more than anyone up to and including John Peel. I wasn't even a fan of his - he was the driver that all my favourites had to beat. But it shook me up immensely.

(I imagine it's too corny to say Wimbledon Football Club)

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

the only one i can think of is charles schulz - you could see it coming, he'd been sick for a while, but the timing of it (he died hours before his "farewell" strip appeared) was pretty shocking. joe strummer's death was also pretty upsetting for me.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

walter payton. growing up in chicago he was my childhood hero. he did a charity event for the library my mom worked for. i was like 9 or 10 so, and he picked me up and swung me around in circles. oh what fun that was. then he died of cancer a few years later.

phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I will literally cry when/if Bjork dies.

(I say 'if' because she's awfully pixie-like isn't she? Can't we just hope that she's some kind of magical little icelandic creature that never dies? Please?)

MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I recall being genuinely stunned by Charlotte Coleman's death in 2001. A massive asthma attack at the age of 33. Julie London and Jerry Orbach too, if only cos I knew PB would be terribly upset. I suspect I'm still processing the news of Peel's death.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

what Markelby said.

Ste (Fuzzy), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the only one i can think of is charles schulz - you could see it coming, he'd been sick for a while, but the timing of it (he died hours before his "farewell" strip appeared) was pretty shocking.

I was going to post this as well. I was completely torn up that weekend.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember being especially gutted by Simon Jeffes (Penguin Cafe Orchestra) death. Partly because I'd heard nothing before reading his obit and Because he was so young and it being in such contrast to the light and life in his music.

Also Billy Mackenzie and Stuart Adamson. Two guys whose music I'd grown up with and enjoyed (loved in Mackenzies case) and who seemed such unlikely candidates to commit suicide. Adamson especially, the circumstances of his death and having son seemed particularly poignant to me.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Elliot Smith' death last year was a bit upsetting for me. I was a bit of a fan, but I think it was the sad and horrible circumstances of his death that gave it so much poignancy for me.

Jerry Garcia upthread is OTM for me too.

Paul Wellstone upthread is also OTM for me.

supercub, Sunday, 16 January 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Elliot, especially as the other guy (I'm sorry for not remembering his name, but I didn't know of him previously so anyway, back to the sentence) that committed suicide lead one to think "It'll be Elliot next, won't it?" At least, I did.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 17 January 2005 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Left Eye r.i.p. ;'(((

ade (Adrian Langston), Monday, 17 January 2005 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Kurt Cobain, Charlotte Coleman (see above) and Katrin Cartlidge

beanz (beanz), Monday, 17 January 2005 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I felt quite a pang (on a personal level) at the passing of both John Peel and Dave Godin, and also at the more recent passing of Artie Shaw - granted he was 94, but he was one of the last living links to that swing era that Laura and I loved so much. So, as usual, I'm mourning less for the people themselves, but for the relationship which they had (indirectly) on our own lives.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 January 2005 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Cobain completely gutted me for a while, but Robert Quine shoulda lived forever and that really didnt feel right.

The Velvet Overlord (The Velvet Overlord), Monday, 17 January 2005 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The sad thing is that the manner of Quine's death (i.e. as a consequence of extreme mourning after death of wife from cancer) more or less inspired me not to follow suit.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 January 2005 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

if we take the 'can remember where i was when i heard' thing as a good indicator then Jim Hensen (getting haircut in Loughborough), Cobain (bathroom in Hemel Hempstead, although the news was that there'd been a body found in his house, only later did they report that it was him) and Peel (arriving home for grandad's funeral) all qualify.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 17 January 2005 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Phil Hartman and D.Boon both affected me - not just because I loved theor work, but because they really seemed like genuinely good people who had their lives taken away too early.

Also Jim Henson & Sammy Davis Jr. died on the same day, and that bothered me.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 17 January 2005 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

John Ross, white-man-afro'd PBS landscape painter, sweet-voiced dude that he was. He said, we don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 January 2005 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Jeff Buckley's death was shocking because it was such a stupid avoidable death. Swimming in the Mississippi River, wtf? Any (local) fule kno...

I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 17 January 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

John Ross, white-man-afro'd PBS landscape painter

Bob Ross, you mean?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 January 2005 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)


Lennon, D Boon, River Phoenix.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 January 2005 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF WHY DID I TYPE JOHN!?!?!?!?! Yes, BOB Ross.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 January 2005 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Cobain had a big affect on me, but then it was the death rather than the effect which was uxepected, so I don't think he counts.

I'd say Kirstie McColl, for the same reasons as Rock above said Tim Buckley.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 17 January 2005 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel mildly affected by Biaggi's death.

toraneko (toraneko), Monday, 17 January 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Jerry Orbach.

When Kurt Cobain was found, dead, i was living in Seattle. A friend who works in the music industry called me and said "Kurt's dead." I thought he was talking about a different Kurt, my friend Curt who was having a problem with heroin at the time. So I said "How? Why? Did he OD? Have you talked to his family?"
And my friend said "Not that Curt, Kurt Cobain!"
I was so relieved. And then I was sad.

I lived on Martha's Vineyard when John Kennedy Jr's plane crash happened. The helicopters from "search and rescue" were flying all day and night. Basically, on an island, you know that the helicoptors are a bad sign - someone is missing. A fisherman, a boater, JFK Jr.
The beaches were closed as pieces of the wreckage began to wash up.
I went out to a bar during this time, and there were maybe thirty reporters hanging out, wanting to interview people. I graciouslly accepted a bunch of drinks on their corporate dime, and told them that it was a tragedy of unknown proportions.

When Princess Diana died I was a housecleaner/maid/ servant. I was cleaning the kitchen, and my employers were sitting, stunned, in front of the television in the next room. I heard the announcement and walked into the room, asking "Is this true? What happened?"
They told me she had died and then suggested I should return to my tasks. I think they said "This shouldn't concern you."
Well, guess what, the vacuum cleaner is going to concern YOU. Dead princesses do not trump THIS princess. I vaccumed them right out of the house.

My mom woke me up with this charming sentence: "John Lennon was shot to death last night. Get up. You have to go to school."
A few years later, I was an undergrad at Barnard. My friend was having an affair with a guy who lived at the Dakota. After a night out partying,I left them to do their thing, and walked out of the Dakota to get a cab. it was the anniversary of the shooting. The doorman scooped up dozens of roses and gave them to me, saying "They'll just die here - take them home." There were thousands of flowers surrounding the building. I took the roses, got the cab, and wept .


aimurchie, Monday, 17 January 2005 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i was strangely and morbidly obsessed with the jfk, jr accident. i remember being glued to the news for hours and hours while the search was executed. though i had never really followed his life closely, or cared much to do so for that matter, i was oddly depressed over his death for weeks after.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 17 January 2005 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Wesley Willis. For one thing, I didn't expect him to kick so soon, regardless of his numberous health issues. But I, especially, didn't expect his death to have such an enveloping emotional impact on me.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 January 2005 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember getting all ridiculous angst machine breakdown on the Wesley Willis: RIP thread on ILM after some people started sorta deconstructing the whys of the popularity of his music, and sorta regretting it later.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 17 January 2005 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I was affected by Diana's death, I don't mind admitting it. Everyone seems so cynical about it now but I reckon there are more than a few people out there who cared about it, then got all embarrassed and went into denial. I'd been living in Paris all summer, flew home, went clubbing with a friend and when we changed from night bus to taxi at Ewell, the driver told us what had happened. When we got back to my friend's house and turned on the telly I realised I'd driven through the same tunnel 24 hours before she crashed in it, on my way home from the bar we'd been in that night, so I was just a bit freaked out at first. Then I heard all the stories that about the little things she did for people that made a difference to their lives. When somebody famous dies, people often come out of the woodwork with touching little stories and I'm a sucker for that kind of thing. So, I didn't go and chuck flowers at the hearse, but I did watch the funeral on telly and I did feel sad.

I felt numb when I heard about John Peel, very sorry about Charlotte Coleman and I lay on my bed stared at the ceiling for about three hours when I found out Richey Manic had disappeared.

Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 17 January 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

JFK's plane crash was very weird on Martha's Vineyard. As i said before, the search and rescue (or recovery) is always a big deal on an island. it's like a constant soundtrack of death.
The media attention was mind boggling. I had people calling ME to ask if I knew anything. Just because i lived On martha's Vineyard and was that much closer to the tragedy, I guess. I came up with several sarcastic responses. "He's actually here with me - I'm just letting him have a break from all the scrutiny!"
The stuff washing up on the beaches was the worst part. It is a huge tribute to Martha's Vineyard to say that people just didn't go there. As soon as stuff started washing up, people turned it in. And when the beaches in that area were closed, people respected it. I think there is a sense of respect that is part of the island - whether it's a fisherman or a Kennedy. Lost at sea.

aimurchie, Monday, 17 January 2005 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

As I left Waterloo station this morning there was a large number of small bunches of flowers tied to a railing in front of which a homeless person used to beg. On my way home tonight I'm going to stop and read some of the cards.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 January 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Kirsty MacColls death saddened me immensely, crikey, she was healthy, on holiday, having fun. Tragic and frightening.

Rumpkin, Monday, 17 January 2005 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the thing that most upset me about john peel's death was finding out that when mojo did its memorial issue, american readers got fuckin' VELVET REVOLVER on the cover instead of peel.

cathy berberian (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 17 January 2005 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

The only "celebrity" death which affected me enough to bring tears to my eyes was Fred Rogers.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 17 January 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Samantha Smith, the 10 year old girl who wrote Gorbachev some peace-related letter that got some news, died in a plane crash when she was 13 or 14.

Elizabeth Hartman, an actress (You're a Big Boy Now, one of my favorite coming-of-age movies, and also, A Patch of Blue, I think is the name, the one where her character is blind and gets involved with Sidney Potier). She comitted suicide by jumping out a window.

Also Phil Hartmann.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Wesley Willis. For one thing, I didn't expect him to kick so soon, regardless of his numberous health issues. But I, especially, didn't expect his death to have such an enveloping emotional impact on me.

OTM. I felt the same way.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 17 January 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

When Bob Dylan and Hunter S. Thompson go (which has gotta be fairly soon), I think that will hit me pretty hard.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Owen Hart, actually.

Ferg, Ah (Ferg), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah Kirsty McColl hit me hard because of how she died - horrible way to go, I couldn't stop thinking about it, it really unseated me. Ditto Phil Hartman, and I often wonder where Richey is and if he's still alive and find that rather haunting...

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, so many people have mentioned Phil Hartman. I was pretty shocked by that one, too. Also Kurt Cobain and Paul Wellstone and Elliott Smith.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess the Hartmann one was the murder/suicide thing that shocked people, wasn;'t it? It was for me.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Wellstone.. I called up my dad when I found out, the crash was right near his hometown. It's not like my aunt there had any news but we were all pretty upset.

Also, Dale Earnhardt. That guy was one of my childhood heroes. I used to be a huge NASCAR fan but I eventually stopped watching, since it wasn't cool, and anyway I was utterly convinced he'd never win the Daytona 500 after watching year after year and always being terribly disappointed. So I never saw when he won it, and I was in Europe when I heard about the crash. Back where I grew up there were Earnhardt memorials up in people's yards for at least a year after that.

daria g (daria g), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Marc Vivian Foe. I have no idea why. I'm a United fan, for what it's worth. Sad beyond words.

Princess Diana. Ripped a hole through me. Again, no idea why: I'm no monarchist, and I hated all that Royal Wedding shite. And when the Queen had her Silver Jubilee, I like the street parties and everything, but we got wasted on speed and booze and slept up in the woods for days listening to "God Save the Queen" on a tinny cassette player with dying batteries. But Diana? I had a friend (female, mother, 30s) who died in a car accident around that time, so...

Ian fucking Curtis! Was no-one else devastated? If I'd known at the time New Order would coalesce from the shattered remains, I might have been semi-mollified, but as a teenager myself, Ian's stark death so young almost did it for me.

Lennon. Love em or hate em, the Beatles informed so much of who I was. It couldn't be otherwise if you were born in the 60s in England. When John was murdered, I was very lonely and sad and still recovering from Ian Curtis' death. Looking back, I have no idea how I got through those years, 1979/80.

Cobain. Loved Nirvana, and felt an affinity due to proximity, trite as that is.

Elliott Smith. The sheer self-involved brutality of it.

Peel. My usual optimism about the future of music and media has taken a (perhaps mortal) blow. Plus, I just miss him, somehow.

David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

(On re-reading, I think I should point out that I lived in Manchester when Curtis died and Vancouver when Cobain died.)

David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ian fucking Curtis! Was no-one else devastated?

You are old.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

;-)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I was greatly affected by the death of Rocket Richard. Otherwise, no.

Star Cauliflower (Star Cauliflower), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:03 (twenty-one years ago)

You are old.

Well, like I said, I was a teenager when he died. You work it out. ;-)

David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

yes.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)


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