"Bush Says Election Ratified Iraq Policy"

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Bush Says Election Ratified Iraq Policy
Sun Jan 16,12:00 AM ET Top Stories - washingtonpost.com

By Jim VandeHei and Michael A. Fletcher, Washington Post Staff Writers

President Bush (news - web sites) said the public's decision to reelect him was a ratification of his approach toward Iraq (news - web sites) and that there was no reason to hold any administration officials accountable for mistakes or misjudgments in prewar planning or managing the violent aftermath.

"We had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 elections," Bush said in an interview with The Washington Post. "The American people listened to different assessments made about what was taking place in Iraq, and they looked at the two candidates, and chose me."

[...]

On the domestic front, Bush said he would not lobby the Senate to pass a constitutional amendment outlawing same-sex marriage.

While seeking reelection, Bush voiced strong support for such a ban, and many political analysts credit this position for inspiring record turnout among evangelical Christians, who are fighting same-sex marriage at every juncture. Groups such as the Family Research Council have made the marriage amendment their top priority for the next four years.

The president said there is no reason to press for the amendment because so many senators are convinced that the Defense of Marriage Act -- which says states that outlaw same-sex unions do not have to recognize such marriages conducted outside their borders -- is sufficient. "Senators have made it clear that so long as DOMA is deemed constitutional, nothing will happen. I'd take their admonition seriously. . . . Until that changes, nothing will happen in the Senate."

[..]

Bush has put an overhaul of Social Security at the top of his domestic priorities...

Hooray! Neo-con election tactics personified! Spend endless amounts on trumping up really divisive socially conservative issues, then say "enh, fuck that" and fuck over the folks who voted for you!

God Bless America! Here's looking towards the Ascendency of India/China over the next three generations!

kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

meet the press this morning addressed this, it kinda made my head explode. Honestly Rahm Emmanuel was at least as much a factor in the explosions, I hate it when our guys are that weaselly.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush Says Fat Bees Ratified Iraq Policy.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

DAMN YOU FAT BEES! YOU HAVE BETRAYED OUR TRUST IN YOU FOR THE LAST TIME!

kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The bigger they rise, the harder they fall. I'm quietly observing the long game at this point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You sound like Mr. Burns.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Excellent.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Pop quiz: who are the leaders of the Democratic party. Name two or three people if possible, or even one.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? Or one of the problems, anyway. It tells you something that the freshman senator from Illinois has much higher visibility than the alleged minority leader.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean it's like yikes, people. We need a point-person TAKING IT TO THESE FUCKERS AT EVERY TURN, Gingrich-style. And Rahm, sorry, I know you get up reeeal early in the morning but it ain't you. I saw RE desperately gasping on some CNN roundtable the day I got back from London, surrounded by glint-eyed war hawks, and his "point" was that hey, dissent is patriotic. Rahm if that's your argument you lost dude.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Pop quiz: who are the leaders of the Democratic party. Name two or three people if possible, or even one

1. that one dude
2. that scary-lookin' lady. showed up after the last state of the union address on tv.

kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i hate to say this but, bush otm, no?

g--ff (gcannon), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Quote 1: there was no reason to hold any administration officials accountable for mistakes or misjudgments

Quote 2: bush otm, no?

Not quite. An election can't rectify a mistake. Mistakes and misjudgements are mistakes and misjudgements and must be corrected. Otherwise you are piling one mistake on another.

However, Bush is correct in stating that the preponderance of the electorate believed his Iraq policy was at least adequate in their view.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Every opinion poll under the sun says a majority of Americans either think Iraq was a mistake from the get-go, or hasn't been worth the overall cost in blood and money. Bush got elected despite that stuff, not because of it. Really, Bush got elected despite pretty much everything. But of course he's gonna call it a mandate.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, he sorta has to. I mean, the way to think about it is that it has to be a self-fulfilling prophecy loop or else it falls apart.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Why won't someone please...y'know....do the right thing and...y'know.....

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

KILLing Joke are Hugely my favorIte ever enseMble.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Kill HIM?

http://www.newrockmagazine.it/mt/archives/him.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, he sorta has to. I mean, the way to think about it is that it has to be a self-fulfilling prophecy loop or else it falls apart.

But Ned, it IS falling apart! (in the view of, as gypsy mothra notes, the view of many many many Americans; I haven't looked at statistics so I don't want to call it a majority and have people jump down my throat, but that's certainly the way it feels.) xposts

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the headline on Yahoo's front page is "Bush says troops will come home soon"

actual article headline: Bush: U.S. to Leave Iraq When Mission Ends

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) says the U.S. military will pull out of Iraq (news - web sites) "as quickly as possible," but he is not endorsing Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites)'s statement that troops could begin returning home this year.

"The way I would put it is, American troops will be leaving as quickly as possible, but they won't be leaving until we have completed our mission," Bush said in a Washington Post story published Sunday.

"And part of the mission is to train Iraqis so they can fight the terrorists. And the sooner the Iraqis are prepared — better prepared, better equipped to fight — the sooner our troops will start coming home," Bush said...

also, note that the AP bit is written by Nedra Pickler, the reporter responsbile for so much fun during the election...

kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

But Ned, it IS falling apart!

Uh-duh. But the rhetorical front from BushCo as yet is not. So therefore we wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

http://cover09.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/110/111476.jpg

kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Sadly, Bush has four years in which to dig this hole deeper. If he persists in clinging to his current strategy, he will leave the country in the same quandry as we were in Vietnam.

In Vietnam we had spent so f*cking much blood and treasure on stupid, purposeless destruction that the psychological pain of admitting this truth, not simply by lip service, but by appropriate action, was an insurmountable barrier to corrective action. The solution, such as it was, was to lose interest in the whole project to the point where it was a relief to be forcibly ejected by our opponents and end the charade.

This "solution" allowed the USA never to face its idiocy, its complacency and its hubris directly on, but to cast only the merest sideways glances at the rotting hulk of our dead illusions, shudder and turn away again to watch Happy Days on tv, as if there were not half a million dead bodies to bury.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Sadly, Bush has four years in which to dig this hole deeper. If he persists in clinging to his current strategy, he will leave the country in the same quandry as we were in Vietnam.

Friedman said as much in that thing I posted on the Iraq 2005, referring to the ghost of Lyndon Johnson and idly noting what history would have been like if LBJ told McNamara to pack sand in 1966. The part of me that loves black humor wonders about a situation where in order to keep the White House in 2008 the GOP needs to float a candidate that says Bush fucked up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm more pessimistic. i think that the means of any sort of corrective feedback control are broken or at least severely damaged. the next candidate will have a similar "everything's ok/freedom on the march", and a majority of voting people will believe him.

kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Four years is a long time. We'll see...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I am truly afraid that the only potential for true US voter enlightenment lies in the direction of great economic suffering. Clueless, heedless. That's US.

I am adopting the Tao of Ned for the time being.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

KILLing Joke are Hugely my favorIte ever enseMble

President Cheney?

(Sorry for the non-sequitir.. surely, Alex, you were just restating a known musical opinion of yours and nothing more.)

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

since we've mentioned him in the other thread today anyway, i'm reminded of interviewing Grant Hart about 2 summers ago. he pretty much advocated "violent regime change at home", and figured that the best thing to happen was that the Repubs would be re-elected again and fuck up so horribly that we'd never elect a Repub preznit again for 50 years.

kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Good point, DC.

Kanye West Is no LL Cool J in THE Minds of Big fans Of THe genre of Hip Hop.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck, missed a 'B'.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Kill the moth?

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

DAMN YOU MOTH!!!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex prepares to do the deed

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.infinit.com/sections/medias/silence_lambs_06.jpg

NOOO!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Speaking of which (COMPLETE non-sequitir of course), if both Bush AND Cheney were to meet their demise simultaneously, who would become president?

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Please also recall that should a putative scenario outlined like that occur, this man becomes president:

http://www.house.gov/hastert/gallery/large/teddy-roosevelt-award.jpg

Just hours after terrorists attacked the United States on September 11, 2001, Denny Hastert stood with members of Congress in vowing to do everything in their power to prevent future attacks.


Our nation has followed through with that promise, leading a global campaign against terrorism that has resulted in greater security at home. That campaign has led our troops into Afghanistan and Iraq, where they have removed murderous regimes and planted the seeds of democracy. And throughout the world, two-thirds of al Qaeda’s leadership has been captured or killed, and terrorist cells are being dismantled one-by-one.


The War on Terrorism is unlike anything our nation has experienced. As the President has repeatedly said, it is a war that will be fought on various fronts over a number of years—and it will test the resolve of the nation. But this war is essential to ensuring future peace, and it is a war that our nation cannot afford to lose.


Hastert remains as committed to this effort as he was on September 11, 2001, and will continue to work to provide every possible resource to our troops to get the job done. Ultimately, that commitment will result in greater security for the United States, and for peaceful nations throughout the world.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, xpost I guess.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

And should *cough* all three oddly expire, this man becomes president:

http://stevens.senate.gov/images/050404.spiritawardwinners.jpg

Across the globe, our men and women in uniform are fighting to preserve our freedom; in the last year, many gave what Lincoln called “the last full measure of devotion” to safeguard our liberty.


In March, I visited with American soldiers and airmen deployed in Afghanistan, Iraq and Kuwait. I recently met with our Air Force personnel stationed in Kyrgyzstan, and here at home I’ve had the privilege of meeting injured soldiers at Walter Reed. On one visit to Walter Reed I asked a young man how he was feeling. He said, “Senator, help me get back to my unit.” Our young men and women in uniform truly are our nation’s next “great generation.” As a veteran, I salute them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

What would happen if this HAS To bE the thRead where someone posTs all niGht abOut how hE'S so fucked up and floods the boards with pointless messages?

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

(FUCK!)

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Xpost again!

And after said Alaskan senator, the next in succession, once she's confirmed in her new role...

http://www.coastalsd.com/Local_Photos/Carriers/condi_rice.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

After that I think it's the Secretary for Watching Paint Dry or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, ever-so-slightly more than half of the country voted for me, so america totally thinks I'm kicking ass and I can do whatever the fuck I want!

carte blanche is so sweet!
Except that it's in french. Let's change that, frenchies suck!!!111

MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, the main point here is that Cheney is hardly as smooshy face with the Republican supporters in this country as Bush is.. much less Hastert and Reed.

Then again, if Bush were to meet his demise, he'd be martyred, and that would really only setup the inevitable Jeb Bush election in 2008.

If Bush were IMPEACHED however, that would be a whole different story.

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, Condie is lookin' very Thunderbirds in that pic.

(or is that an actual Thunderbirds puppet?)

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

god I'm glad you posted that condi picture. I've been trying to re-find it for like ... since right after it was new.

MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Reed

Reed?

If Bush were IMPEACHED however, that would be a whole different story.

A GOP-controlled congress impeaching Bush = a longshot. For that to happen would mean something so completely egregious it can't be imagined (yet) *combined* with a complete collapse in BushCo's political capital.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

As they say, there's never a Hinckley around when you need one.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

As it is, I'll be content with him slinking out of office under a huge black cloud. I'm patiently waiting for the defenders to snap.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes. The proper analogy is LBJ, not Nixon, in that Nixon's dark deeds had to be brought to light and LBJ's misdeeds were as spectacularly visible as a sinkhole would be in the expressway. The Iraq fuckup is impossible to hide, even if they're getting away with torture in the meantime.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 16 January 2005 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

As for perhaps the most notorious terrorist, Osama bin Laden, the administration has so far been unsuccessful in its attempt to locate the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Asked why, Bush said, "Because he's hiding."

No shit.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 17 January 2005 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush also says "newkyular" so I don't see why anyone's surprised when he says something that's really fucking stupid.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

you know what? I agree with him. On Nov. 2, more than 50% of Americans ratified his "Iraq policy," whatever that may be. Trouble is, today, 56% of Americans oppose it. So maybe he should step down and let the adults take over.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)


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