Goddamn centrist media!

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
So I've been seeing a lot of people lately writing things on the order of "well, what else do you expect from a craven right-wing glove-puppet outlet like [ABC, Newsweek, National Geographic, The Nation, etc.]."

Here's my question: please name media outlets--TV, print, web, whatever--that have political content and you find to be relatively ideologically balanced: that is, to not skew significantly one way or another on the whole.

Then feel free to dispute other people's picks, once you've named your own.

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN

LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

does ILX count as a media outlet?

Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's a media inlet.

Huk-L, Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

McNeil-Lehrer

Juan, the Magic Don (jingleberries), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, i think they're all pretty biased towards spectacle, existing narratives(correct or not), and lazy reporting

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I just like that craven right-wing glove-puppet outlet like is followed by an example like 'The Nation'.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

NPR

I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Workers World

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I've had some problems with their output over the years, but you could do a lot worse than the BBC.

Soukesian, Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

For American mass media: I think Newsweek is the best of the mainstream weeklies (the other two in this category being Time and US News & World Report), ABC the best of the big 3 networks, CNN the best of the cable options (but boy have they gone downhill in the past five years). For newspapers, I'm still a traditionalist and love the NY Times. Those are my favorites because I think they're all reasonably balanced, although none are perfect.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say Time slightly edges out Newsweek because Newsweek is very much in sync with its parent the Washington Post, and the Post is typically regarded as a smidgen to the left of center. (Mostly by people who ignore that it is slightly right of center on some issues, notably the war. Generally the people who think the Post is ragingly liberal are comparing it with the ragingly conservative, and utterly insane, Washington Times.)

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I was going to ask this question today! Wow!

I don't have any answers. I tend to use the BBC news site in general though.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha I would love to be in the alternative universe where ILX is a politically-balanced forum!

Ew, actually I wouldn't. Ew.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I keep misreading this thread title as Gotham Central Media

Huk-L, Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The Independent (boringly so.. snooooooze) .. The New York Times (ditto) ..

The BBC

NOT CNN jesus people!! this is the network that says things like "keep it right here for updates on the holiday terror situation... 24 hours a day"

NOT NPR .. "fuzzy-sweater liberal" just means they drive a Volvo instead of a Jeep but it's the same fucking diff, people

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 20 January 2005 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

say, we should take bets when the next Orange Alert will be...

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 20 January 2005 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

the washington post is as close to balanced as it gets. the globe and mail is somehow irritating both in its left-wing and right-wing biases.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

are balance and objectivity really good qualities in a media outlet, anyways? i'd rather read something with a sense of voice from either side than globe and mail-esque mush.

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

read some of the daily blog from the folks at the Columbia Journalism Review about this. "objective" attempts usually mean "get two differnt people yelling at each other" on a tv news show...

kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 21 January 2005 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

BBC and McNeill-Lehrer OTM. Maybe USA Today too. Perhaps the newsmagazines as well.

NPR, NYT and WaPo all have both left and right tendencies. CNN is basically the neo-con network with a few snarky blue-state-isms thrown in.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 January 2005 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN's World network is different - that probably fits the bill

and wrt BBC, I'm referring to the website and World Service

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 21 January 2005 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

This was a funny story on Day to Day today.

youn, Friday, 21 January 2005 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

ABC spent more time this afternoon showing the crystal hurricane thingamabobs that the Congress gave Dubya and Cheney than the protesters at the inaugaration. Of course, any coverage is an improvement over 2001...

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 January 2005 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i like the wall street journal's newspage. it goes w/t saying that its editorial pages are anything BUT centrist -- it's in a bizarro world all to themselves (well, maybe the journal's editorial page shares space w/ the new york post).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 21 January 2005 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

wsj news coverage is some of the best in the biz. too bad their ed writers don't read it.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 January 2005 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

wsj news thirded, wapo, nyt somewhat (except during raines era when it was hardly), abc of the big three fwiw, cnn once upon a time when turner owned it, mcneill-lehrer, mcnbc?, slate?, the new yorker??? (they've publish buckleys chris and bill in recent years), hmmm, c-span?

kingfish otm

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 21 January 2005 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

NPR have got a feature called 'Day To Day'?

http://www.havoca.org/images/News.h1.jpg
"News just in"

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 21 January 2005 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

NPR have got a feature called 'Day To Day'?

http://www.havoca.org/images/News.h1.jpg
"News just in"

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 21 January 2005 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i heart whoever thinks the independent is 'balanced'!!! but really the concept is a non-starter.

Miles Finch, Friday, 21 January 2005 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

or folks who think that indymedia.org is truly balanced and never pushes an agenda

say, who remembers:

http://www.lanesarasohn.com/tvwriter/images/nntn1.jpg

kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 21 January 2005 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I really don't understand how Lehrer (McNeil is long gone, folks) qualifies as balanced, unless narcolepsy-inducing, competing think-tank reps are all it takes. And Lehrer went absolutely apeshit a few months ago when Christian Parenti dared to aggressively impugn Bush's motives in Iraq. Anything far outside the status quo gets slapped down on that show. The only TV news I can bear for more than about 7 minutes is BBC World.

The NY Times, yeah ... harps on Whitewater for a couple years, then lets Judith Miller play Chicken Little for W's pre-war rationale? Very balanced.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i have concluded that ILX is a media fjord

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

anything outside the status quo tends to get slapped down in most major media outlets. like i said, they like their narratives laid out early and never deviate from them.

kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

but when you think about THEY, who actually are THEY?

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, didn't newspapers used to exist solely as the mouthpieces for specific political parties?
One of the things that moved me to drop out of journalism school was the logical and conceptual impossibility of a "balanced" news media. To this day my opinions on any current event are the synthesis of several different news outlets.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Bur first, the news.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

who actually are THEY?

after a while, it begins to all meld together. new info needs to fit into pre-existing narratives/storylines, or by god we'll make it so. Music journos are like this, too. That's why every band from Seattle was a grunge band!

kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

CJR Daily Uncovers Massive Bias at New York Times!

(...towards the Pittsburgh Steelers)

kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 21 January 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there's a difference between "fair" and "balanced": fairness is achievable and necessary for good journalism; balance is a fantasy word like objectivity that gets harder to achieve the more you try. To be fair means to thoroughly research and report a story, within whatever limits you have (but keeping in mind that those limits themselves can lead to unfairness -- if there's a choice between running a story tomorrow without a comment from an important party, or waiting a day, then fairness dictates you wait a day). It means that whoever or whatever is quoted in the story is represented in a way that they themselves would consider reasonable -- the words are words they said, the conclusions of a report are presented without unreasonable distortion, etc.

Balance is a whole other issue that has to do with how many of what kind of stories get reported, and its meaning varies depending on the publication or broadcast, its intended audience, etc. etc. Some striving for "balance" is worthwhile, as is some striving for "objectivity," but ultimately the people running the show need to decide for themselves -- hopefully using reasonable criteria -- what they think is important, and cover it -- fairly.

So, I think NPR, the NYT, the Wall St. Journal, the WaPo, the BBC, the Guardian, and the major weeklies (not just Time and Newsweek but the New Yorker and the Economist too) all do a decent job of fair coverage. You can find glaring exceptions in all of them, in every issue. They all have blind spots that become obvious to regular readers and that need to be kept in mind. But if I want to get some general idea of what's going on in, say, Sudan, I would trust all of those outlets to provide at least an overview. CNN and the rest of the broadcast spectrum, much less so, for the simple reason that they generally don't devote the time necessary to get even an overview.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 21 January 2005 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

fifteen years pass...

Classic tweet yesterday.

Hey @mrjamesob, why is the @caitlinmoran podcast episode just 43mins long and not 3hrs?!

— FarFarAwayFromHere (@Colognetastic) June 22, 2020

the pinefox, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 10:56 (five years ago)

thread has a real quaint post-90s end of history vibe to it

If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 12:25 (five years ago)

I agree -- it's surprising to see people talk about Centrism in 2005, when it seems to mean something a bit different now.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 12:41 (five years ago)

two years pass...

Great column by Perry Bacon Jr. on "an anti-woke centrism that is increasingly prominent in American media and politics today, particularly among powerful White men who live on the coasts and don’t identify as Republicans or conservatives."

It really matters that these anti-woke centrists often live in deeply Democratic areas. If you are in a red state, like me, you are constantly in fear of your state government adopting conservative policies — such as new limitations on reproductive freedom, transgender rights and honest education about race. But if you live in D.C. New York City or San Francisco, a much more realistic concern is that a “woke” liberal with whom you don’t agree gains political power — or sharply criticizes you in public.

“Americans are losing hold of a fundamental right as citizens of a free country: the right to speak their minds and voice their opinions in public without fear of being shamed or shunned,” the New York Times declared in the first sentence of a March 2022 editorial.

In reality, there has never been a right to voice your opinion without the possibility of being shamed or shunned (terms without precise meanings) — and there shouldn’t be. Shaming and shunning people are free expression, too. What I suspect this editorial was actually calling for is for self-described Democrats and liberals to be able to express more conservative views (such as skepticism about transgender rights) but without being attacked in the way that conservatives often are for such views (being called bigots).

jaymc, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 17:12 (three years ago)


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.