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It occurred to me recently that I hardly ever do this anymore. It has been a long time since I hand-wrote a whole page of A4 for example, as in words, sentences, paragraphs. It seems very strange to think that I no longer really need to ever write at length by hand.

How often do you/are you required to handwrite at length?

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 21 January 2005 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i bet your hanwriting now handwriting looks like shit too!

jed_ (jed), Friday, 21 January 2005 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean cos mine sure does... :s

jed_ (jed), Friday, 21 January 2005 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I do it quite a lot. I prefer it to typing. But then I have to type it anyway. I suppose it is a luxury. Mind you, my elderly aunt wants me to write her a letter. I find that utterly bizarre.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Friday, 21 January 2005 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

A fair bit. I try to be a dutiful grandson and write semi-regularly, and I generally rough out ideas for poems in notebooks.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 21 January 2005 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I write in a pretentious notebook. I am getting a laptop soon so even this may stop. Other than that, I generally limit handwriting to orders for chinese meals, tax returns, timesheets...

Miles Finch, Friday, 21 January 2005 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I've had to start doing it again, what with lectures and that (plus making notes from textbooks == copying out page upon page upon page on the grounds that I remember better than way), and my new habit of writing essays by hand before I type them up. Kind of shocking how bad I've got at it - not only is my writing illegible, but it really hurts after a while.

cis (cis), Friday, 21 January 2005 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a handwritten diary (as well as a blog and a Livejournal), but don't update it very often to be honest - the last update was just after the Office Christmas Party, nearly 2 months ago now. My handwriting is indeed shit - but it always has been, ever since I learned to write.

caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 21 January 2005 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Because as a young'un, I couldn't hold a pen correctly despite years of physiotherapy, I find writing to be very difficult, and almost never do it. When I write "the normal way" it's hard to read, but I am too self-conscious to use MY grip in front of other people!

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 21 January 2005 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I take notes when I'm interviewing people. It's not proper paragraphs though and I do miss it now I think about it. I like my handwriting and on a good day it looks pretty good I reckon.

beanz (beanz), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like making notes. I am going to make some notes on the book I am reading at the moment soon. But, yes, it does hurt and my handwriting is so bad I can't read it afterwards. But that's not the point.

alix (alix), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I love my handwriting, but to write neatly I have to write slowly and most of the stuff I write by hand is notes from meetings, which are really scribbly. Other than that, I think the only other handwriting I do is in thank you letters.

Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The only time I do proper handwriting is in exams, and after three hours nonstop I get wanker's cramp something fierce.

Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I have APPALLING handwriting, simply because I've typed virtually everything of any length since the age of 15, exams excluded. Even my diary's on Word. Booting up the PC everytime I want to write something is a pain, but not as painful as trying to write by hand - after half a page my hand feels like it's falling off.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I love how Clive Barker writes all of his novels longhand. They must be intensely personal artifacts by the end.

why must we cut onions? (Lynskey), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

That'd explain why Abarat II took 500 years to come out.

Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Neal Stephenson wrote The Baroque Cycle longhand, and I THINK I remember him saying he used a dip pen, but don't quote me on that part.

The quality of my handwriting took a dip a few years ago as I began using computers all the time, but it's levelled off. I'm looking at a handwritten list of songs I'm looking for, which I wrote out last night. I'm pretty sure anybody would be able to read it.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I forgot lists! I make a list of chores at home once a week and one at the office every morning. They are so nice and neat! If I make a mistake, I take a new sheet of paper and start again.

Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I hand write all the time but it's not pretty, I tend to use block caps just so its readable

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

My lowercase S's and G's are identical -- it just looks like the g was baseline-shifted down a few points.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I have loverly handwriting, but no excuse to take it out for a run anymore. Bring back village scribes, I say.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I take hand written notes during meetings to stay awake and look like my presence at said meetings is justified. Im also obsessed with my own handwriting so I do enough of it to keep myself entertained.

Juan, the Magic Don (jingleberries), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I take dictation for my boss (shut up), and I write letters all the time. My handwriting is often legible.

luna (luna.c), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing I miss about having an office now is that I used to go out to coffeeshops w/a stack of whatever I had to review that week, a notebook, and a pen, and take notes. I almost never do that anymore, except maybe in MS Word.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Many many writers go with longhand, I find. When you’re in a writing program, this kind of thing is shop-talk, along with when one writes, where one sits while writing, what or whether one eats while writing, what one wears while writing, whether one listens to music while writing, and if so, what kind of music—everything. So I say with some certainty: a lot of writers go with longhand. I assume this has to do with developing writing habits while young, and the semi-romantic notions of writing authenticity that come with that. You see a lot of people who are so in love with the notion of The Writer that they buy crappy old typewriters; in my experience these people are seldom very good at actually writing.

The interesting bit is that the form of the method has profound effects on the style of the writing: I have this vague hope that someone will one day write a monograph that examines the whole history of literature this way. Hand-writing prose steers you toward clean, conventional sentences with well-chosen words. The age of newsrooms and typewriters gave us styles like Hemingway’s, where the prose has the same sparse, weighty quality of type on a blank page. And it’s impossible to imagine a style like David Foster Wallace’s without the personal computer: even leaving aside the footnotes, it takes a certain facility with typing to bother tracing thoughts out through long, winding, clause-heavy, speed-of-speech sentences.

This is all completely apart from the question itself, but I find it interesting. I prefer to type, but I have a desktop computer; if I write anything “serious” longhand, it’s usually because I’m away from home or specifically trying to avoid fast-typing styled prose. The bulk of the longhand writing I do, though, is on pieces of other people’s fictions—notes, edits, commentary, and so forth. If I’m writing anything shorter than a whole paragraph, I tend to write in an all-caps note style that’s derived from my father—though his writing had the unusual feature of putting vowels and Hs in cap-sized lower-case forms. I make a great deal of notes, as well: in classes, on the subway, listening to records for review, reading.

Also I’m very much in favor of illegible signatures. The signature is rarely if ever used to identify the associated name. I like the thought that we could all have such abstracted scrawls that they’d return to being “our mark”: just a stroke of the pen that only we know how to make, and which nobody else would have any guide—even the letters of the name—to imitating.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

You see a lot of people who are so in love with the notion of The Writer that they buy crappy old typewriters; in my experience these people are seldom very good at actually writing.

Don DeLillo has said he uses a typewriter because he thinks it's more visceral, and he likes being able to see the arrangement of his words on an actual page rather than on a screen.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Nabisco, I find your point about longhand = clean, conventional prose interesting, because in some ways I'm the opposite. About the only time I write longhand now is when I'm journaling, in which case the fact that it's but a private notebook means that I'm far more comfortable free-associating and digressing, with lots of dashes and parentheticals, than if I were to type it out. For me, if I'm typing, I'm more likely to follow order and convention and structure, because it already looks finished. Fragmented notes taken on a computer always look weird me to me.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I think there's something I haven't quite pinpointed about the physical rhythms of handwriting leading me to a looser, breezy style.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

pens are for chewing.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, typewriting gives you a lot of the same choose-your-words-carefully feeling as longhand, in part because of that whole “visceral” grandness: you type “the” and it’s like “yes, the, check it, my story begins with the word THE.” I don’t quite get the “arrangement” thing, though: properly formatted, text on a PC can bear a much closer resemblance to a printed page than type-text can. If he’s comparing with Courier single-spaced or an antiquated Doogie’s-Diary computer, sure, but I’m not sure I follow beyond that.

The crappy-writer-buys-typewriter thing is probably more of a holdover stereotype from being a college English major; I should try and get rid of it.

And x-post: I agree about fragments and notes, which are definitely a hand thing. And you’re totally right: it would make a lot more sense for informal handwriting to be the loose format and Official Typing to be the one that makes you choose carefully. Maybe it’s limited to fiction—do you write any fiction? I dunno. It’s a time thing, I think—enough effort goes to handwriting a sentence that there’s some tendency to keep it clean. (Maybe I’m just lazy.) Whereas the easy editing and fast typing of a PC can let you just chatter away endlessly, or follow out all the junk people throw into sentence when they’re speaking—things where, if you were writing slowly by hand, you’d think about along the way and maybe cut out.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The only thing that I handwrite these days is condolence cards. It's bloody cold sending / receiving an email condolence, no?

Andy Dancer (andydancer), Friday, 21 January 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I like writing by hand. I have quite nice writing I think. I mainly write rubbish in diaries, inter-library loans, notes about this and that. I write out most essays by hand before I type them up.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 21 January 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Paronomasiac/write0001.jpg

C J (C J), Friday, 21 January 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

or not, as the case may be.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Paronomasiac/write0001.jpg

C J (C J), Friday, 21 January 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

HOTT

()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 22 January 2005 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/handwritingsample1.jpg

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 22 January 2005 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

It's funny how handwritten notes look so special - like art - on the net.

youn, Saturday, 22 January 2005 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Any handwriting analysts out there, please feel free to give me a psych. profile based on the above.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 22 January 2005 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Hand-writing prose steers you toward clean, conventional sentences with well-chosen words. The age of newsrooms and typewriters gave us styles like Hemingway’s, where the prose has the same sparse, weighty quality of type on a blank page. And it’s impossible to imagine a style like David Foster Wallace’s without the personal computer: even leaving aside the footnotes, it takes a certain facility with typing to bother tracing thoughts out through long, winding, clause-heavy, speed-of-speech sentences.

hemingway hated his journalism! and windy can't = computer! henry james! milton! sorry! just being an asshole!

anyway i like writing by hand bcz i can draw non linear scratches and self-commentary all over the page. i like legal pads, too.

g--ff (gcannon), Saturday, 22 January 2005 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It's funny how handwritten notes look so special - like art - on the net.

I'm still shocked by how few websites use hand-drawn words and/or graphics, it's weird, because it really does stand out.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 22 January 2005 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't believe it. I actually get to post this scan again!

http://deanna.ladyinterference.com/ilx/quickscan09082003.gif

Anyway, there are many occasions when I feel the need to jot down something in longhand, such as taking notes or when I'm making lists away from the computer. However, it *is* easier typing things out, certainly, and even my high school diary was maintained via a computer file, so, um, there. (I'm also up for handwriting analysis too, FYI.)

I think it's so cool, BTW, that some of us are posting handwriting examples! Awesome -- thanks, CJ and Rock Hardy!

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 22 January 2005 08:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I gotta be honest, writing longhand just makes my hand ache these days if I do it for more than five minutes at a time. The idea of willingly doing that for extended periods gives me the shivers. Typing as writing is so much more natural and fluid for me, it simply is -- I can understand the various invocations from authors and others up there on the whole pen/paper thing, really. But for me learning how to type and then working with a computer back in high school was the best one/two punch in terms of what I would eventually end up doing in a variety of ways -- home, work, whatever -- that it's indescribable to me now. I can't NOT imagine doing things this way.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 January 2005 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/jel2004/handwriting.jpg

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 22 January 2005 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Extract from my last diary entry:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/sleepycaitlin/diaryextract.jpg

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 22 January 2005 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Duh. Stupid 'i' key.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/sleepycaitlin/diaryextract.jpg

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 22 January 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

It suddenly occurs to me that I also have very teenage handwriting.

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 22 January 2005 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

jel's got the most beautiful handwriting I've ever seen from a male. *applause*

("teenage handwriting" for me = overloopy, "cutesy" writing with little circles for dots. Or, rather, "preteen handwriting" -- I *think* when I was 14 I grew out of that. Um, thank God.)

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 22 January 2005 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, God. Yes. Shudder.

There are people I work with who still write like that, despite being a good ten or twenty years too old for it. I try to avoid them.

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 22 January 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

You're kidding me. Oh dear Lord. I think one of my friends will end up being that way. I mean, she still writes the way I remember her writing when we were all young teens and even *then* the handwriting looked like it belonged to a ten-year-old.

I know it's wrong to practice handwriting snobbery and really, I can totally deal with all kinds of handwriting (I mean, like, I have zero problems with any of the writing posted up here as examples), but, yeah, the overcutesy type is just... ugh, no.

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 22 January 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

At least noone I know now uses little x kisses for dots, like some girls used to do at school.

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 22 January 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha ha. Point taken. But that's just about as bad as using little hearts for dots, which some of my grade school classmates did back when we were all about 12 or 13 and perhaps at our cutesiest penmanship-wise.

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Sunday, 23 January 2005 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

I've been hand-writing notes (from lecture and readings) for school for the past year, on the theory that actually writing stuff down (not just typing it) helps me remember it better, and it's weird how bad I still am at writing by hand. My handwriting is the same as it's always been, a tiny scrawl, but I find myself dropping or switching letters very frequently. This might have to do with trying to read an article and write notes on it at the same time, or I may have lost the ability to write by hand.

Do you write anything by hand anymore?

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 July 2009 20:30 (sixteen years ago)

i hate writing by hand so much, would love to never do it again

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Monday, 6 July 2009 20:36 (sixteen years ago)

I kind of like it. Don't get to do it a lot anymore. I looked at some gradeschool and high school papers last week, that I've been keeping for no real reason, and found it hard to believe we ever DIDN'T type anything.

But not someone who should be dead anyway (Laurel), Monday, 6 July 2009 20:45 (sixteen years ago)

My hand starts to hurt really quickly also.

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 July 2009 20:46 (sixteen years ago)

^ out of context etc

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 6 July 2009 20:46 (sixteen years ago)

i'm writing my bar exam essays by hand. should be really fun.

harbl, Monday, 6 July 2009 20:47 (sixteen years ago)

I do a lot of hand-writing -- the one thing that gets me is that a good portion of it is at work, and if you have messy or scattered handwriting at work it can create the impression that you're messy or scattered at your job. So I am trying to practice writing more slowly and methodically, but (ironically) that's hardest to do when I'm most focused on and engaged with the actual thing I'm working on.

nabisco, Monday, 6 July 2009 20:48 (sixteen years ago)

i dig writing by hand as long as i have a nice pen and nice paper, but not for very long.

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 6 July 2009 20:49 (sixteen years ago)

that sentence is a thing of wonder, max

nabisco, Monday, 6 July 2009 20:50 (sixteen years ago)

i had to write by hand a lot at my old job, and my hand was hurting so much that it was a serious motivation for me to jobhunt.

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Monday, 6 July 2009 20:54 (sixteen years ago)

I still keep a spiral notebook journal, and write stories and reviews on legal yellow pads – anything to keep me away from the internetz. I'm too easily distracted these days.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 July 2009 20:57 (sixteen years ago)

thanks nabisco imagine what it would look like longhand

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 6 July 2009 20:59 (sixteen years ago)

I can do the cool trick of writing down verbatim what a person just barely said while talking & carrying on over it, asking further questions, etc.

kind-hearted, sensitive keytar player (Abbott), Monday, 6 July 2009 21:00 (sixteen years ago)

i use a quill and vellum

velko, Monday, 6 July 2009 21:00 (sixteen years ago)

h8 writing things down - always tell ppl no its okay ill remember when they want me to do so even tho i rarely do

Lamp, Monday, 6 July 2009 21:01 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

just wrote out something in my school notes, then, in attempting to underline it, crossed it out. good job, hand.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 27 August 2009 18:56 (sixteen years ago)

Sure those last three words are the right round way?

the visible spectrum is rainbows (snoball), Thursday, 27 August 2009 20:35 (sixteen years ago)

then, in attempting to underline it, crossed it out

at least you didn't just put {u} and {/u} at either end

unban dictionary (blueski), Thursday, 27 August 2009 20:41 (sixteen years ago)

lols.

i still write all my poetry by hand, and send postcards to specific friends every couple of months because hey, that's what i do.

essays--notes by hand.

in seminars and workshops-- i want to kill everyone with computers. so distracting to be in a room full of five or ten people discussing work or various 'academic' topics whilst one douchebag is fucking clickety-clacking away. if i am ever a college professor, i will ban computers in my classroom unless they're being used for presentation reasons.

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Thursday, 27 August 2009 21:29 (sixteen years ago)

I banned their use in my classes, but it's easier to supervise in a room of 27 students. A lecture hall with 190 students, however, is a different story.

post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 August 2009 21:44 (sixteen years ago)

You don't get letters like this any more. Except on Twitter.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1342/1314406887_bdc3b5de76.jpg

Michael Jones, Thursday, 27 August 2009 21:52 (sixteen years ago)

I found a while back when I wanted to write people handwritten letters for fun, I felt like I needed to draw :) and =) into the letters. The hell!? I mean, thats what my communicative ability's been reduced to?

And yet, between 1985 and 1990 I wrote dozens of letters every week, to my boyfriend, to penfriends interstate and overseas, pages and pages of them. Always with shitty handwriting. And perhaps some pics of Peter Murphy cut out and glued into a corner. Yeah yeah shoosh.

Now, I write notes on my work diary when a caller asks for something, and I'll occasionally get the lined notebook or (lol) Moleskine out and jot down a random bit of song lyric/poem I'm working on. But thats died off heavily just in the last few years, my writing's dried up horribly.

Its so sad :/

Spy in the Cab Sav (Trayce), Friday, 28 August 2009 01:31 (sixteen years ago)

Lately I've found that I do better if I write my creative stuff out longhand before I put it on computer. It feels like I edit myself less when I write longhand, like I trust my instincts better, and it's easier to get a flow going somehow. But when I write straight onto computer, at least creatively, that first draft takes such a long time because I can so easily delete everything I write. I find the computer's better for editing the drafts that I write longhand....because by then my hand is tired and crampy and typing feels like such a breeeeeeze.

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 28 August 2009 03:35 (sixteen years ago)

Someone mentioned Neal Stephenson's longhand manuscript upthread....tis true, they have one of them at the Sci Fi Museum in Seattle. I took a picture of it...I know it's ass but you get the idea...:

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/sharonjoy666/P1100086.jpg

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 28 August 2009 03:42 (sixteen years ago)

i have always had terrible handwriting and have always felt bad about it, because i like writing and it seems like a failure that i can't make it look good. so really, the move to keyboarding was a big relief. i understand the romance of the written word and all that and can appreciate other people's finely turned script. i just can't do it. my handwritten notes, when i have the occasion for them, tend toward all caps, because at least then it's legible.

i can't imagine writing anything long by hand anymore. i haven't since college essay exams. i would hate it. (i do still take notes by hand when i'm doing interviews, but that's just reference material, and nobody but me has to be able to make it out.)

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Friday, 28 August 2009 05:18 (sixteen years ago)

the liking your own handwriting must have something to do with it. I admit that I am fond of my handwriting. So writing by hand = thinly veiled narcissm? Y/N?

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 28 August 2009 06:17 (sixteen years ago)

I like my handwriting but I hate having my picture taken or seeing myself in pictures. So do I simultaneously love and hate myself?

StanM, Friday, 28 August 2009 07:29 (sixteen years ago)

i have pretty unco as a child - related to my poor eyesight - so to combat my slow handwriting speed i was taught to touch-type when i was about 7 and went through school using either electric typewriters or laptops. my handwriting is pretty scratchy, but passable - just takes too long to get stuff down on paper.

Korg Boy Polysix (haitch), Friday, 28 August 2009 07:31 (sixteen years ago)


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