I'm sorry, but Bush!

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Not everybody sees that yet, but I think it’s true. Bush has the greatness of Reagan, and a boldness of vision that may be even larger — and he certainly has the benefit of the great gains our nation made because of Reagan’s actions. For instance, our economy is nearly one-third larger than it was when Reagan took office. Not only new businesses but entirely new industries have been launched, based on new technologies, such as biotechnology, cell phones, computers, the Internet, fiber optics, and many more. Given the steady electoral victories of Republicans in Congress, Bush can do some things that Reagan wanted to do, but could not, such as reform old-age assistance and medical care. And he can give American domestic policy a whole new vision, approach, and set of methods.

The “liberal” vision (of the Democrats) is actually a mild form of social democracy, making citizens dependent upon the state for various forms of aid and support. Critics call it “the liberal plantation.” Bush’s new vision is to make every citizen an owner, a person of character in charge of his or her own destiny, and responsible not only for his own needs but also for caring for his neighbor. Bush does not see the individual as lonely and selfish, but as a part of various communities (family, church, union, associations, etc.), compassionate toward the needy, and alert to the needs of the common good.

In his day, Abraham Lincoln called forth a “new birth of freedom,” meaning the end of slavery in the Southern states and a new beginning. Bush calls forth a “new birth of freedom" too, meaning in the whole world as an alternative to tyranny, and in America’s internal life in an end to a culture of dependency upon the state.

bob novak, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

...link?

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Aren't your up a little late, Mr. Novak?

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bumperart.com/ProductsList.aspx?CategoryId=123

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

*sighs*

"bob novak"'s reminding me of my highly idealistic and naive youth....

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

'Do you think the war on poverty is over?' I said, 'Yes, the poor lost.'

dick little, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

His daddy didn't do "the vision thing" and got burned, so Karl made sure that the kiddo would just ooze vision like a festering sore.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, can somebody find me a UK version of a site like this:

http://www.choiceshirts.com/dept/c1/patriotic_t-shirts/p/0/n/12/

just for contrast?

i'm curious how the imagery would match up, the different iconography, etc.

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

the closest you'll get would probably be this, t-shirts of the England/British flag that are almost exclusively tied in with the England football team. That's the closest anyone in the UK gets to patriotism, unless your part of the very small minority of rightwing extremists (or a Scottish or Welsh nationalist, but thats a whole different story - they are mostly leftwing people)

zappi (joni), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, those shirts are pretty cool actually, with some decent designs.

since many american indie/hipster-types tend toward anglophilia(like me, sorta), you could make a mint selling them

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck fox hunting

johnny appleseed, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i had one of those sleeveless def leeppard shits back in the day... it ended its days muffling a snare. big ups to my cross-pond peeps in Handsworth, Croydon, & Brighton

nice troll, novak. you suck.

autovac (autovac), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The male shirst have a bit more of the looney imagery.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush's new vision is to make every citizen a (gun) owner.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush has the greatness of Reagan

Can't disagree with that.

Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

For instance, our economy is nearly one-third larger than it was when Reagan took office. Not only new businesses but entirely new industries have been launched, based on new technologies, such as biotechnology, cell phones, computers, the Internet, fiber optics, and many more.

Hold on, I thought it was Al Gore who invented the Internet?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

What 'credit' can Bush really take for the U.S. economy?

Well it works out pretty well for shopping tourists

Stevem On X (blueski), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

and buying stuff via the internet from the US to the UK. ta Dubya!

zappi (joni), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Hell yeah, US stuff is dirt cheap here thanks to Bush's vision of a completely crap future.

Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, that an the exportation of all of the manufacturing jobs.

Thanks!
http://www.walmart.com/i/if/cat/bnr/header_130306.gif

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

USING A SMILEY FACE = BUSH CONDONES TEH EEZERGOODS

Stevem On X (blueski), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

suckers

"Senate Democrats put off a vote on White House counsel Alberto Gonzales's nomination to be attorney general, complaining he had provided evasive answers to questions about torture and the mistreatment of prisoners. But Gonzales's most surprising answer may have come on a different subject: his role in helping President Bush escape jury duty in a drunken-driving case involving a dancer at an Austin strip club in 1996.

"Bush's summons to serve as a juror in the drunken-driving case was, in retrospect, a fateful moment in his political career: by getting excused from jury duty he was able to avoid questions that would have required him to disclose his own 1976 arrest and conviction for driving under the influence of alcohol (DUI) in Kennebunkport, Maine—an incident that didn't become public until the closing days of the 2000 campaign."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6857224/site/newsweek/

bob novak, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction."
- Dick Cheney, August 26 2002

"If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is
once again misleading the world."
- Ari Fleischer, December 2 2002

"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."
- Ari Fleischer, January 9 2003

"We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of
mass destruction, is determined to make more."
- Colin Powell, February 5 2003

"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information
that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical
particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the
operation, for whatever duration it takes."
- Ari Fleischer, March 21 2003

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses
weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons
will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them
and who guard them."
- Gen. Tommy Franks, March 22 2003

"We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and
Baghdad."
- Donald Rumsfeld, March 30 2003

"I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from
officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of
mass destruction will be found."
- Ari Fleischer, April 10 2003

"There are people who in large measure have information that we
need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in
that country."
- Donald Rumsfeld, April 25 2003

"I am confident that we will find evidence that makes it clear he had
weapons of mass destruction."
- Colin Powell, May 4 2003

sore loser, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised some people herein haven't had a field day with this t-shirt. And I'm more than a bit disturbed that all of those "I'm proud of [x] relative serving in the military"-style t-shirts only focused on MALE relatives -- not a single female relative-related service member pride shirt in sight, and I really, really looked for one, meaning I passed a lot of shirts that truly frightened the shit out of me, and I'm perhaps one of the most patriotic, "rah rah gooooo U.S.A!!" type people on this forum.

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 06:54 (twenty-one years ago)

what's wrong with that shirt?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 06:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing at all, really -- just that such a shirt would be on that type of website, you know? Irony, hypocrisy -- both of these I thought would've been mentioned already on this thread. Y'know?

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:00 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't seem like it, they seem to be going for every market niche:


Animal
Automotive
Biker
Birds
Cats
Christian
Cool
Country
Decorative
Dogs
Ethnic
Exotic Wildlife
Family/Relative
Farm Animals
Floral
Funny
Game Wildlife
Glitter
Hip-Hop
Holidays
Horses
Humorous
Insects
Inspirational
Juvenile
Kids
Marine Life
Military
Morehead
Motorcycle
Native American
North Amer. Wildlife
Novelty
Occupation
Offensive
Patriotic
Rebel/Redneck
Religious
Reptiles
Resort
Road Tough
Seasonal
Sports/Games
Transportation
Trendy/Teen
Unique Pets
Western
Wildlife
Youth

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Honey, you are giving them WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much credit. Trust me.

Most of these shirts seem to be of the "If you look at this t-shirt and think, 'Ooh, I'd sure love to wear that one!' -- you might be a redneck" variety.

I mean, yeah, I think it'd be cool to walk around wearing a shirt that illustrates pride in the U.S.A. (though even I know how foolhardy that would be outside the U.S.), but, uh, not any of the ones I saw on that site.

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

you're not getting my point. and yeah, i'd never wear that shirt, but i don't think there's anything wrong with its message, or the people selling it. they don't give a fuck about messages, they just wanna sell some shirts.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the MESSAGE on the shirt -- I just thought some people here would remark on how that message was being applied to a shirt from that sort of website. But yeah, you're right, they really DON'T "give a fuck about messages" because, yeah, all they're really aiming for IS to "just... sell some shirts". Which would be kinda stupid, right? A toal disregard for the actual meat & potatoes CONTENT of the shirts... ?

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

(If everyone else is ALSO thinking that "they don't give a fuck about messages, they just wanna sell some shirts", that would explain the lack of comments.)

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

or that it's 2:15 on this coast and nobody's on.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry. too busy checking out this goth webcam slut's site to comment

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.verbolog.com/5euska.gif

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:40 (twenty-one years ago)

you're not getting my point

A)Stop being so fucking rude. B)If they were just selling T-Shirts to anyone with a credit card, I'd expect to see a "Keep on Trucking", or a tie-die Stars & Stripes (to match the one on the Union Jack site)? They're selling to a specific market, and that shirt (the CND one) doesn't fit their market. The target isn't as wide at it appears either. Check out their Cool range, and their Teen range, and their HipHop range.

What's strange about that shirt is that it's under Patriotic, and the USA is crammed up in the top left of the globe. Maybe it's an exchange program with an Ecuadorian.

I love the inventiveness is this one:

http://www.choiceshirts.com//images/A5/06/A5064C-lg.jpg

Though like most novelty T-Shirts, it'd probably wear off in time.

The opposition: http://www.unamerican.com/

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The yellow ribbon bumper stickers that say "Support The Troops" have been exposed as a for profit scam. The money was supposed to go to some charity - or maybe to buy some armor for the troops? - but actually was just some smart, soul-less Americans' way of making a few bucks.
They are, of course, on the big fat ass of every SUV in the entire country.
The redneck, awful town I lived in at the time of 9/11 chose to combine their patriotism while not giving up on garish Halloween decorations. So you could drive down many streets and see fake tombstones, little cloth ghosts hanging from trees, and a gigantic American flag with a "Never Forget" sign.
It was truly stunning. Little tiny hand made fake dead people emblems and a huge sign supporting the war. It really made me love my country. Because we are, clearly, a nation of idiots.

aimurchie, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

little cloth ghosts hanging from trees

Depending on where you mean by redneck, this must have been a very upsetting thing indeed for some people present?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope. The ghosts did not seem ironic to anyone, which seems strange since there is a military base there.But, ya know, everyone wants to talk about the terrorist threat, and yet, despite all of the signs, big trucks continue to go under the small bridge. Daily.
And get stuck.
We are idiots. The sign says that no truck bigger than a certain limit should go under the train tracks. But every day a truck tries to go under, and gets opened "Like a can of tuna".
And then, of course, traffic gets snarled.
There are several fighter jets sitting on a runway up the road. If a terrorist wanted to, he or she could probably take out a great deal of the fighting force by coming over here and blowing shit up. Nobody would notice, because everyone would be concerned with the daily truck trying to go under the small bridge.And getting stuck.


aimurchie, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

alot of this stuff reminds me of the most retarded post 9/11 ad Ive ever seen. the ad basically starts with a generic looking neighborhood in the us with 'THE TERRORIST THOUGHT THEY COULD CHANGE AMERICA ON 9/11.' then a cut to the same neighborhood but completely decked out with flags, flags as far as the eye can see w/ 'THEY DID' at the top of the screen. like HOLY FUCKING SHIT. WE GOT FLAGS NOW. IN YOUR FACE TERRORISTS.

Juan, the Magic Don (jingleberries), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish people would realize that shirts filled up with a mass of thrown-together symbols (whether the symbols be patriotic or otherwise) look fugly-ass.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

andrew I wasn't trying to be rude. but you certainly are.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

alot of this stuff reminds me of the most retarded post 9/11 ad Ive ever seen. the ad basically starts with a generic looking neighborhood in the us with 'THE TERRORIST THOUGHT THEY COULD CHANGE AMERICA ON 9/11.' then a cut to the same neighborhood but completely decked out with flags, flags as far as the eye can see w/ 'THEY DID' at the top of the screen. like HOLY FUCKING SHIT. WE GOT FLAGS NOW. IN YOUR FACE TERRORISTS.

The reason why that's always pissed me off is that my dad has always -- as long as I can remember and I'm sure before I was born -- flown the flag every weekday at whatever house we were at. His patriotism is unaffected and from the heart, and not above review and criticism when things aren't going as they should. Seeing so many people around me pretend they were always superpatriots after 9/11 is just sad -- and my dad has never changed from simply flying one simple flag every day.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

As soon as I saw the Union Jack shirts, I thought SPICE GIRLS.
As soon as I see anyone fly the Aussie Flag I think RACIST.
now, what's that?

Nellie (nellskies), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

My personal favorite, besides the ghosts, is the shirts and stickers that said "Together We Stand".
I wish I could help Mr.Raggett, the elder, raise the flag. We would both,probably,learn something during the process.

aimurchie, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

See also David Cross' rant about flags from his first double-album

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)


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