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Best picture

The Aviator
Finding Neverland
Million Dollar Baby
Ray
Sideways
Best director

Martin Scorsese - The Aviator
Clint Eastwood - Million Dollar Baby
Alexander Payne - Sideways
Taylor Hackford - Ray
Mike Leigh - Vera Drake

Best actor

Don Cheadle - Hotel Rwanda
Johnny Depp - Finding Neverland
Leonardo DiCaprio - The Aviator
Clint Eastwood - Million Dollar Baby
Jamie Foxx - Ray

Best actress

Annette Bening - Being Julia
Catalina Sandino Moreno - Maria Full of Grace
Imelda Staunton - Vera Drake
Hilary Swank - Million Dollar Baby
Kate Winslet - Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

Best supporting actress

Cate Blanchett - The Aviator
Laura Linney - Kinsey
Virginia Madsen - Sideways
Sophie Okonedo - Hotel Rwanda
Natalie Portman - Closer

Best supporting actor

Alan Alda - The Aviator
Thomas Haden Church - Sideways
Jamie Foxx - Collateral
Morgan Freeman - Million Dollar Baby
Clive Owen - Closer

Best original screenplay

The Aviator
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Hotel Rwanda
The Incredibles
Vera Drake

Best adapted screenplay

Before Sunset
Finding Neverland
Million Dollar Baby
The Motorcycle Diaries
Sideways

Best foreign film

As It Is In Heaven
The Chorus
Downfall
The Sea Inside
Yesterday

― Miles Finch, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Eternal Sunshine got ripped off, but YAY DON CHEADLE!

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Bleh. So boring.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Is 'Before Sunset' really adapted? 'Anchorman' woz robbed.

― Miles Finch, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom Wilkinson not in Best Support Actor noms for Eternal Sunshine, for shame.

Sideways in Best Pic? Wow. There by dint of all the big-budget epics all tanking at box-office.

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Giamatti, the best thing in Sideways, glossed over ... sick.

They badly need a Best Picture Released Before October category. (ESOTSM was just too good.)

Before Sunset is neither adapted nor a screenplay.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The Incredibles non-appearance in the Best Pic catogory made all the more painful due to the fact that Finding Neverland is a tower of fucking wank.

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

At least Mike Leigh wedged into the Director category, tho I'd rather have seen Gondry or Almodovar.

So Passion of the Mel beat MikeMoore 9/11, 1-0?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

The Oscars have effectively ghettoized films like The Incredibles by having the stupid Best Animated Film category.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone here seen any of the foreign film noms? They certainly aren't the ones Ilxors have been talking about.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's the deal with Before Sunset: it's "based on characters created by Richard Linklater and Kim Krizan" (who wrote Before Sunrise). Because Krizan had no part in the sequel, it's considered an adaptation. Pretty stupid, huh?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The Sea Inside (with Javier Bardem) is def. the most high-profile of the foreign film candidates and is thus prob. the favorite.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

No, the Foreign Film noms are always wild cards. "Moolaade" didn't even get submitted (nor "Bad Education"?). "Downfall" opens soon in NYC, an account of Hitler's bunker w/ Bruno Ganz:

http://www.filmforum.com/films/downfall.html

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Biggest surprise out of all the nominees here is probably Alan Alda. (A lot of people weren't predicting Clint for actor but I never understood why -- probably because it was a crowded category and they were predicting Paul Giamatti instead.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it would have been great if Kill Bill 2 was nominated for best score but that was never going to happen, was it?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Total list:

http://oscars.com/nominees/nominees.html

I H Huckabees is shut out, I Robot is not.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Kill Bill 2's best shot was probably Carradine for Supporting.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure everyone is stoked about seeing Counting Crows, nominated for "Accidentally in Love," perform at the ceremony!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

They wouldn't pass up John Williams for that Wu guy!

Hey, Christ got THREE nominations: Makeup, Cinematography and Score.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Hooray for the fear of piracy, which means that for the first time ever, I can see two of the best picture nominees in the cinemas now, and two more this weekend (the other one is Finding Neverland, which went through last November without stirring a single leaf).

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, nobody I know cares about Finding Neverland.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it would have been great if David Holmes' Code 46 was nominated for best score but that was never going to happen, was it?

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

what the hell is it?? wasn't JM Barrie a paedo or something? is that what it's about?

David -- no, because it and the film were TEH SUCK x 10000000

― Miles Finch, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Next, Depp will play MJ in Raiding Neverland.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

pretty much, yeah

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

god how boring. yay for natalie portman, clive owen, and thomas hayden church (and imelda staunton I guess, although I didn't see vera drake yet). I can't make myself care about the Aviator no matter how much I try.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

oh and yay for Before Sunset getting a nomination even if that categorization is bunk

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

What the fuck is Million Dollar Baby?

The Incredibles, fucking ROBBED.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

What the fuck is Million Dollar Baby?
Clint's Girlfight.

"This is going to be Scorsese's year"

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I enjoyed The Incredibles but I'm sorta surprised to see you thinking it was robbed, Nick! Like Leon notes, it's got its own little 'who cares?' category now -- and was there any buzz on it anyway beyond that in terms of awards?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I"m surprised they nominated Jaimee Foxx TWICE

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Jessica Lange got a double nomination back in 1983, I think -- best supporting for Tootsie, best for Frances, the biopic of Kurt and Courtney's kid.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

this is kind of the worst nominations list that I've seen in at least 3 years, maybe 5. WTF?

― Allyzay Highlights The Fallacy of Radiohead (allyzay), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Foxx's double totally predicted. (Julianne Moore did it recently too)

The Incredibles is cute, but in the last 20 minutes becomes just another too-loud, too-fast action trasher.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, really, that was more of a gut reaction to seeing a film I had never even HEARD OF until just now in the BEST FILM category. And also because I watched a bootleg copy of Incredibles the other day and realized it's not just one of my favorite animated films ever, it's one of my favorite films ever PERIOD.

As shitty as I thought Collateral was apart from Jamie Foxx, I wouldn't be upset whatsoever to see him take both.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

how in the hell can they call that a supporting role when he is the MAIN character (Foxx)

― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"This is going to be Jamie Foxx's year"

The Incredibles was 'robbed' in that it's better than all the Best Picture nominations.

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

all bar one of the best picture/best director nommos were released in the uk within about a four week period! you get a kind of strange 'well that was a year' quality to the oscars from this side of the atlantic.

― Miles Finch, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Jim Carrey in ESOTSM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leo DiCaprio in The Aviator (and everything else he's done)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

how in the hell can they call that a supporting role when he is the MAIN character

No-one takes precedence over The Cruiser. Remember that.

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

>how in the hell can they call that a supporting role

Same reason Tim Hutton won supporting for his lead role, and Pacino was nominated supporting for Godfather I. (Also, Hopkins won lead when Hannibal Lecter is onscreen for about 22 minutes.)

Why do we care?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Holy shit. I've just realized, this is the year of the biopic.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Why can't the best film list be like this?:

Maria Full of Grace
The Incredibles
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Hotel Rwanda
Ray

FUCK YOU HOLLYWOOD.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Why can't the best film list be like this?:
Dead Man's Shoes
The Incredibles
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Hotel Rwanda
Shaun of the Dead

FUCK YOU HOLLYWOOD.

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

SHAUN OF THE DEAD! WTF OSCARS

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Argh, who put this on (the Oscar best pic nom list)?

Some random.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The fuckface from Counting Crows was nominated for Best Song?!?!!?!?!?!?!?! BURN HOLLYWOOD BURN!!!!!!

― Leon the Fatboy (in nyc) (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The Incredibles was 'robbed' in that it's better than all the Best Picture nominations.

That's for sure.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

But but but Alexander. Oh wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Smash Mouth were ROBBED!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

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Yeah, Spencer, I definitely couldn't deal with that, either. I got a bit annoyed when my friends were talking over the Star Jones red-carpet interviews!

Actually, I sorta hate watching DVDs with a group of people, because some chucklehead always has to make lame jokes or commentary that distracts me from the movie. It's one thing if we rent something for the express purpose of laughing at it and not really paying attention, but there are some people who will pull this shit no matter what.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

spencer, make sure you let her borrow a large amount of money next.

― S!monB!rch (Carey), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

She said on the phone that we shouldn't go to see movies or shows anymore because of my problems!
I think this may be a giant red light, flashing.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

im sorry, i don't care how great you are, if you don't get remotely riled up by people talking during inopportune moments at a movie, we have a fundamental compatibility problem.

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I get kind of pissy when people I live with talk on their phones without moving into another room of the house while I am watching a tv show or movie. I mea, I kind of have every phone conversation like I am planning a major drug deal or figuring how to hide my neighbor's body.

― S!monB!rch (Carey), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The talking was bad, but I really enjoy clever comments during awards shows. However, it was so inane and incessant that I thought I was going to just rip the screen apart. That said, the absolute worst thing about it was that f*cking Tivo nonsense!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The commercials were better than the actual show!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Clever comments are fun, of course -- I mean, I made my fair share of Adam Duritz jokes the other night -- but just as long as you're not yammering over something that someone else actually wants to see.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Tivo is the incurable channel flipper's greatest gift. I used to have a roommate who couldn't stick with any channel longer than about five or ten minutes. There's no particular reason for this behavior, I think it's just a habit at this point, but it fits in with his controlling personality. I also think there's a sense that there might be, somewhere in those 500 channels, something better, or more worth watching, and the channel flipping is like this endless and never-completed quest to find that Best Thing and be able to rest. Like eventually he'll find the secret channel that has a man in a black suit intoning instructions on how to hail the secret space shuttle that makes daily trips to the Planet Good Times for Those in the Know. Or, you know, Monster Garage if that's on. Because the truly twisted thing about this mentality is that mediocre TV is actually preferable, because it makes flipping away from it easier.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I read the entire thing. I work with mentally ill/developaly disabled people and I had to YELL at them to turn the channel from pro wrestling to the Oscars. I told them I would withhold their medication until such time as they made the right choice - MY CHOICE! I only saw the first two hours before driving home and going online to see who else won.
I Hated the awards given to groups onstage - i think, if they are going to do this, they need to be able to, camera -wise,focus on the person(s) who are nominated, instead of grouping them. The awards given from weird places in the audience is just bad.
Chris Rock stumbled at times, and I know it is because free speech is being destroyed every day in our great, wonderful democracy. I wish he had the chance to really let it rip. I loved the interviews at the Magic Johnson multiplex.
Fashion-wise: Everyone was toned down - or didn't show up at all. Cate Blanchett was perfect in her gown. I thought Hilary Swank looked great - show off those muscles, gal! (of course, Imelda deserved the award - but whatever.)
Renee Z. looked great from her throat to her toes. Lose the hair, sister! She is too apple cheeked and pink to handle black hair.
Martin Scorcese was wearing serial killer glasses. And he directed "Goodfellas". Hmmm...
Star Jones should be led to the celebrity "gate of no return" asap. Her giant, weird face scares me. She's like Divine, but black.
Melissa and Joan Rivers are an insult to Jews and Christians and Muslims and all others who claim to have taste.. The Jew schtick can be funny - but not in this form. I did not watch them this year. I would have, probably, just to make myself very angry. But acid reflux denies me the opportunity to indulge in "Live" appearances.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
Yeah, the other night it was like ADD on parade! Combined with her unclever critiques made her intolerable - I think I may have told my friend "she should die."

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I read the entire thing. I work with mentally ill/developaly disabled people and I had to YELL at them to turn the channel from pro wrestling to the Oscars. I told them I would withhold their medication until such time as they made the right choice - MY CHOICE! I only saw the first two hours before driving home and going online to see who else won.
I Hated the awards given to groups onstage - i think, if they are going to do this, they need to be able to, camera -wise,focus on the person(s) who are nominated, instead of grouping them. The awards given from weird places in the audience is just bad.
Chris Rock stumbled at times, and I know it is because free speech is being destroyed every day in our great, wonderful democracy. I wish he had the chance to really let it rip. I loved the interviews at the Magic Johnson multiplex.
Fashion-wise: Everyone was toned down - or didn't show up at all. Cate Blanchett was perfect in her gown. I thought Hilary Swank looked great - show off those muscles, gal! (of course, Imelda deserved the award - but whatever.)
Renee Z. looked great from her throat to her toes. Lose the hair, sister! She is too apple cheeked and pink to handle black hair.
Martin Scorcese was wearing serial killer glasses. And he directed "Goodfellas". Hmmm...
Star Jones should be led to the celebrity "gate of no return" asap. Her giant, weird face scares me. She's like Divine, but black.
Melissa and Joan Rivers are an insult to Jews and Christians and Muslims and all others who claim to have taste.. The Jew schtick can be funny - but not for a long, long time. I did not watch them this year. I would have, probably, just to make myself very angry. But acid reflux denies me the opportunity to indulge in "Live" appearances.
Don't ever go to that bad party again!

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Like Divine but black!! Who is this Star Jones person, I must know! She must have oozed onto the scene while I was away in Englandia.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

She was around way before you left, Tracer.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

did anyone else notice the nominee for best live-action short that pretended to be asleep when the cameras panned over him? it was kinda the best moment of the night.

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Well she sounds awesome, Divine but black, say it ain't so!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Renee Z. looked great from her throat to her toes. Lose the hair, sister! She is too apple cheeked and pink to handle black hair.

With that red dress, I thought she was going for a White Stripes look!

I loved the interviews at the Magic Johnson multiplex.

It was kinda funny, but I was sort of bothered by it, too. I think the subtext we're meant to read is a humorous view of cultural differences and maybe even a jab at the Academy's relevance -- look, none of these people, who represent a large segment of the population, even saw any of the nominated movies! But I couldn't help also reading into it, especially when White Chicks was referenced, "Black people lack good taste in film and would rather sit through shit like White Chicks than the movies that we all know, because we're watching the Oscars right now, are superior."

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

aimurchie how dare you deny crazy retards their pro wrestling?

― Don't Ever Antagonize The Horny (AaronHz), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd have left as soon as I realized we weren't going to watch the Oscars in real-time. Fuck this whole TiVo business. I couldn't care less if the lady would've been embarrassed.

This is why I am single.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer should have gaffled that woman's TiVo on the way out, then he could have watched all the shit she fast forwarded through when he got home.

― Don't Ever Antagonize The Horny (AaronHz), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a nice little Oscar party with pizza and soda and cookies. We watched all the pre-show hoopala, the Barbara Walters stuff, and the full awards. Spencer, you can come to my party next year.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"We" = you and the cat?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I just sat at home with my laptop like I always do.

― Don't Ever Antagonize The Horny (AaronHz), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

No, wiseass. My friends. ALL FOUR OF THEM.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds nice!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"aimurchie how dare you deny crazy retards their pro wrestling? "

Because I can. With my crazy retards, I AM the power. And pro wrestling sucks. Plus, the crazy retards need to get some fashion tips. Bathing would be a good start..

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

From one of my favorite people in the world, Sarah:

"You already know the answer. This relationship will not--cannot--work. I'm trying to deal with the notion that when her friends show up 40 minutes late for a movie and you're upset, that it's "your problem." And I can't quite wrap my mind around the idea that you'd invite people over for an *OSCAR PARTY* and fast-forward through the speeches and introductions!. What else is there to watch?! I assume, that since you were watching Cheaters at the opening, that you didn't watch the pre-show Joan Rivers, so I'm baffled as to these people's investment in it at all. And the man with the head shadow is too much. I love that you were just glaring and surly the whole time. They probably just hated you--I love that.

But to return--the relationship cannot work. How can you even have a
relationship if movies and shows are off-limits? I'm not familiar with such a relationship. You need to cut your losses and get out now. This woman's horrible friends are one thing, but she seems to endorse their behavior. Fundamental divide.

I'm also just totally disgusted with that blatant misuse of Tivo. A
force for such good used for such evil. Unconscionable.

-Sarah

PS, The Aviator Sucks!"

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarah sounds awesome. And she's right, you know.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

the secret channel that has a man in a black suit intoning instructions on how to hail the secret space shuttle that makes daily trips to the Planet Good Times for Those in the Know

the secret channel that has a man in a black suit intoning instructions on how to hail the secret space shuttle that makes daily trips to the Planet Good Times for Those in the Know

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"I loved the interviews at the Magic Johnson multiplex."

"It was kinda funny, but I was sort of bothered by it, too. I think the subtext we're meant to read is a humorous view of cultural differences and maybe even a jab at the Academy's relevance -- look, none of these people, who represent a large segment of the population, even saw any of the nominated movies! But I couldn't help also reading into it, especially when White Chicks was referenced, "Black people lack good taste in film and would rather sit through shit like White Chicks than the movies that we all know, because we're watching the Oscars right now, are superior."

I would agree if Chris Rock had not already established a sort of "black" theme to his hosting. "Barbershop" "Laundromat" "Parking lot" "Check Cashing Place". It just seemed like part of his riff - and it was very funny.
It is interesting to note that Morgan Freeman won his first Oscar, after many nominations, for playing a wise old grizzled black guy. Wasn't he the wise old black guy in another movie? Oh, and he was the wise old black guy servant in "Driving Miss Cracker". Can someone in hollywood PLEASE allow him to be retarded and sexy - like, um Tom Cruise?
The stereotype of black males is slowly being reformed. But the idea of "wise old darkie" crops up all the time. "The Green Mile" is a particularly glaring and awful example - large black male as savant.
And, in most action adventure films, you know from the first bite of popcorn that the black guy and the nerd are going to die.
I think you could go to a multiplex and get similar answers from white people. Bad taste is color blind. Redneck kids wearing hip-hop fashion and sporting swastikas probably loved "Saw".
You know what I want? A Black James Bond. Samuel Jackson, perhaps?

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I would agree if Chris Rock had not already established a sort of "black" theme to his hosting.

That's the thing, though -- because it's Chris Rock, he's able to get away with it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

He's not getting away with anything. He's walking away from a loose career into a highly edited, and watched, performance.
We differ on the multi-plex bit - I thought it was funny, and you didn't. Chris Rock pushed some boundaries - thank God - but mostly he pushed black vs. white. A boundary that needs to be pushed because Hollywood would never market "The Aviator" to South Central. because, y'now, a movie about an eccentric guy who became a millionaire wouldn't resonate. I think Snoop Dogg and Puffy might argue against that. They are all about Howard Hughes - white suits, white hats, a demand for cleansing products.
The most frightening thing of all, politically, is an upsurge in the minority vote. This is felt by both houses of Congress.
But what if that voice was, just for a minute, considered outside of politics and rhetoric? What if being black wasn't even a consideration?
i am very much off thread; sorry. What's the point, again? Alison

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

A boundary that needs to be pushed because Hollywood would never market "The Aviator" to South Central.

See, I think this is an interesting point, and possibly one that Rock was trying to make! But I fear it was hidden among other potential subtexts. And you'll note that I said earlier that I still thought it was funny -- just somewhat problematic.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah but did you like the fact that I compared Howard Hughes to Snoop and P.Diddy?

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

*applause*

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I just got around to reading Spencer's nightmare story. Horror. Horror. And the friend showing up late for a movie and her not understanding why that bothered you... oh, God. I'm a bit touchy, but that would have put me off her right there.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude Spencer punch her in the tits and never speak to her again, wtf.

― Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I think aimurchie's posts here are great!

xpost yeah but maybe she'd like that, she seems kind of masochistic already.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

But she's probably so insensitive she wouldn't even realized she'd been punched.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"Yeah, so... tit punching. What's the big deal?"

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

No crime against decency merits booby abuse.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, even though I was tussling with her, I like Aimurchie's posts a lot, too!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Ouch, Spencer, that's horrible.

― Colin Saunders (csaunders), Thursday, 3 March 2005 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you should invite her over for a Cheaters party and then meet her at the door in some state of undress with a half-naked woman lounging behind you. When she gets mad, tell her it's her problem and she needs to deal with it if she wants the relationship to work.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 March 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the answer is to hate-fuck someone.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 3 March 2005 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

And that someone is Minnie Driver.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 March 2005 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

These are all really good suggestions, thanks guys!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 March 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, the hate-fuck heads its ugly rear.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 3 March 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Mount that, dood.

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Thursday, 3 March 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude Spencer punch her in the tits and never speak to her again, wtf.

P her in the Ts

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 3 March 2005 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

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