Life on Mars?

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http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=dn7775

Does it make any difference if it's there?

Dustsucker, Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

water = earth-like life = terraforming = people living on Mars.

so yes.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

also the confirmed existence of life on other planets completely upends most religions and their associated cosmologies.

Shakey Mo Colier, Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

except for SCIENTOLOGY (the one true faith.)

La Monte (La Monte), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

it's the freakiest show.

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

As of today, the existance of life anywhere but on earth is an unproved speculation. Showing that Mars ever had any recognizable form of life would immediately move that from a possibility to a proven fact. It would also be a suggestive indicator of how common life may be in the universe.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

it's a godawful small affair.

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

It may be difficult to prove that life on mars appeared completely independently, given the amount of matter exchanged between the two planets and the heartiness of bacteria.

The presence of life on Mars (either currently or historically) may also make exploration much more politically/socially difficult.

mikef (mfleming), Thursday, 4 August 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

exploration -> manned exploration or colonization

mikef (mfleming), Thursday, 4 August 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

Take a look at the laaaaaaw man beating up the wrong guy
Oh man, wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling sho-o-o-ow

Sorry, I'm drunk.

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Thursday, 4 August 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

also the confirmed existence of life on other planets completely upends most religions and their associated cosmologies.

I call bullshit! It doesn't upend any of the big ones I can remember off the top of my head.

My Favorite Martian, Friday, 5 August 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

six years pass...

Viking robots found life on Mars in 1976, scientists say

New analysis of 36-year-old data, resuscitated from printouts, shows that NASA found life on Mars, an international team of mathematicians and scientists conclude in a paper published this week.

Further, NASA doesn't need a human expedition to Mars to nail down the claim, neuropharmacologist and biologist Joseph Miller, with the University of Southern California's Keck School of Medicine, told Discovery News.

"The ultimate proof is to take a video of a Martian bacteria. They should send a microscope — watch the bacteria move," Miller said.

"On the basis of what we've done so far, I'd say I'm 99 percent sure there's life there," he added.

Miller's confidence stems in part from a new study that reanalyzed results from a life-detection experiment conducted by NASA's Viking Mars robots in 1976.

Researchers crunched raw data collected during runs of the Labeled Release experiment, which looked for signs of microbial metabolism in soil samples scooped up and processed by the two Viking landers. General consensus of scientists has been that the experiment found geological, not biological, activity.

The new study took a different approach. Researchers distilled the Viking Labeled Release data, provided as hard copies by the original researchers, into sets of numbers and analyzed the results for complexity. Since living systems are more complicated than non-biological processes, the idea was to look at the experiment results from a purely numerical perspective.

They found close correlations between the Viking experiment results' complexity and those of terrestrial biological data sets. They say the high degree of order is more characteristic of biological, rather than purely physical, processes.

Critics counter that the method has not yet been proven effective for differentiating between biological and non-biological processes on Earth, so it's premature to draw any conclusions.

"Ideally, to use a technique on data from Mars, one would want to show that the technique has been well-calibrated and well-established on Earth. The need to do so is clear; on Mars we have no way to test the method, while on Earth we can," planetary scientist and astrobiologist Christopher McKay, with NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif., told Discovery News.

While not iron-clad, the findings are an additional plank of evidence challenging the popular contention that Viking did not find life, Miller said.

Miller also is reanalyzing the data to see if there are variations when sunlight was blocked by a weeks-long dust storm on Mars, with the idea being that biological systems would have acted differently to the environmental change than geologic ones. Results of the research are expected to be presented in August.

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 13 April 2012 02:29 (fourteen years ago)

Looking at secondary effects through the lens of mathematics to find evidence of a primary condition is a perfectly valid methodology. But for something as epochal as finding life on mars, few scientists are going to do anything more than make vague rumbling noises until there's a much bigger pile of evidence for life forms, or else a smoking gun shows up that can't be denied.

Aimless, Friday, 13 April 2012 02:41 (fourteen years ago)

I do wonder about the timing of this announcement as the American Mars program has ground to a budgetary halt at the moment. I'm very leery about equating Earth ecology with Martian ecology, or at least assuming that your methods will be the same everywhere.

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 13 April 2012 04:04 (fourteen years ago)

Surely the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one.

The nIce Age (S-), Friday, 13 April 2012 05:02 (fourteen years ago)

five years pass...

but coming TO it....

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/elon-musk-publishes-plans-for-colonizing-mars/

i say musk goes on the first ship, he can scope it out for the rest of us

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 June 2017 23:22 (eight years ago)

four years pass...

I was hate-reading the new Grimes secret baby profile (truly history's most embarrassing couple), which is chock full of lofty/dipshitty Mars talk and I did start to wonder: how do true believers see an inhospitable planet as the solution to Earth becoming less hospitable than it once was? In what way is Mars a "solution" to an Earth completely beset by climate change? What could we possibly do on Mars to live there that wouldn't be more logically applied to Earth?

rob, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:26 (four years ago)

it's always been about the fantasy of having your own isolated society to lord over, even if that's never spoken

ciderpress, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:34 (four years ago)

oh sure, and I can critique it as cliched imperialist fantasy all day. I'm just wondering if there's anything of substance whatsoever behind it. If the answer is no, I suppose I wonder why they're bothering with the environmentalist smokescreen in the first place

rob, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:45 (four years ago)

three weeks pass...

There are two speeds of sound on Mars.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/two-speeds-of-sound-on-mars-ggqq88jgj

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2022/pdf/1357.pdf

StanM, Saturday, 2 April 2022 09:47 (four years ago)


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