Two Kentucky Men Duel Over Iraq War Support(or lack thereof)

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Man Kills Another in Dispute Over War -- Press Calls It a First

By E&P Staff

Published: August 06, 2005 6:30 PM ET

NEW YORK It was bound to happen sooner or later, and in what newspapers in Kentucky are calling a first, one American has killed another in a dispute over the Iraq war.

It happened at Floyd County flea market on Thursday, when two friends, who were firearms vendors there, drew guns after quarreling about the war. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who backs the war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who opposed it, according to investigators.

Moore was released without being charged after he convinced police he had acted in self-defense. A grand jury may yet hear evidence in the case.

Commonwealth's Attorney Brent Turner said the episode might mark the first death in the U.S. due to a dispute over the war.

One witness, Sam Hamman of Prestonsburg, told the Lexington Herald-Leader, "Harold was talking about the 14 people that were killed in Iraq the other day and Doug said that just as many people were killed on the highways here.”

This quickly escalated into an argument, then to a scuffle, and finally both men drew pistols outside a snack shed. The dead man was apparently just a little slower in firing. Witnesses said he stood for about five seconds before toppling on the walkway.

In a telephone interview with the Lexington paper yesterday, Moore said police had told him not to discuss his feelings about the Iraq war.

"I'm sorry this has happened," Moore, a retired railroad worker, said. "But then what's done can't be undone." Moore told the Lexington reporter he thinks Smith and his family knew him well enough "to know what my thoughts are, his family does, because me and Harold was friends. That's all I'll say."

The daughter of the dead man said the two men were friends and had discussed Iraq before. She said her father "had different opinions than everybody. He felt it was wrong that all of these young people were losing their lives over what was going on. It was just a political disagreement, like a whole lot of people have."

Don't take your guns to town, son
Leave your guns at home, Bill
Don't take your guns to town...

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Oh, how I wish this was a proper duel instead of a fight. Like, if they had agreed to meet at noon the following day in the town square with pistols.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

The dead man was apparently just a little slower in firing.

That's one way to put it, I guess.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

http://www.johnnydeppfan.com/movies/dead1.jpg

"You know my poetry?"

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I think the "snack shed" was fitting enough.

xpost

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

So, um, duelling is legal in Ky?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

No dueling is illegal in Kentucky. In fact, if you become a notary you have to do this long oath swearing never to duel or associate with duellers.

Tinman: Set to Self-Destruct (cprek), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Is it bad that my first thought was "I hope the anti guy won"?

Michael Philip Philip Philip Avoidant (Ferg), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

But the police released the shooter w/o charges!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

The US has no jurisdiction in the lawless land of the flea market.

Tinman: Set to Self-Destruct (cprek), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Denizens of the Dirt Mall settle their own conflicts

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

..with guns..

Tinman: Set to Self-Destruct (cprek), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

..seriously..

Tinman: Set to Self-Destruct (cprek), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

The dead man was apparently just a little slower in firing.

I think the live one just 'wanted it more'.

Tinman: Set to Self-Destruct (cprek), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

ah, prestonburg, so much to answer for.

(you guys realize where that is, right?)

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

No, please tell us it's in the eastern half so I can mock my friend over his native region's savagery yet again.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

well, that was kinda my point: people from appalachia have shot each other over far more trivial things.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Tastes Great v. Less Filling, 1937?

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

hatfield vs. mccoy, for starters.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Is it bad that my first thought was "I hope the anti guy won"?

I had the opposite reaction because I could just see the headlines: "Anti-war activist guns down 65 year old retiree."

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

My god, the whole thing reads comically like a bad TV show...

"I'm sorry this has happened," Moore, a gruff railroad worker, said. "But then what's done can't be undone." Moore told the Lexington reporter he thinks Smith and his family knew him well enough "to know what my thoughts are, his family does, because me and Harold was friends. That's all I'll say."

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Smith and his family knew him well enough "to know what my thoughts are, his family does, because me and Harold was friends. That's all I'll say."

So it was Smith's fault, obviously. I mean, he knew what Moore's thoughts are.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Your honour.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

no u.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Kentucky isn't part of Canada, the UK or Bermuda?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

no, u.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

gruff railroad worker selling guns = skip the flea market in favor of brunch

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

This means the war's legal, right?

Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Only the parts fought in flea markets.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

She said her father "had different opinions than everybody. He felt it was wrong that all of these young people were losing their lives over what was going on..."

That "everybody" is depressing.

already disheveled hair projection (wetmink), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

It should be noted that you don't really need a CCW permit for packing heat in these kinds of flea markets. I've been to a couple like this and it's not considered unusual to see guys wandering around with assault weapons on their back.

Tinman: Set to Self-Destruct (cprek), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

You ever try to haggle over a case of preserves without an assault rifle? Good fuckin' luck.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)


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