"What chiefly struck me was the lack of beauty in the women..."

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"This ugliness surely...must be the penalty of a life of gross feeding - of much ale-guzzling and beef-eating. Nor is it possible to conceive of any delicacy and grace of soul existing within; or if there be such, the creature ought to be killed in order to release the spirit so vilely imprisoned. I truly believe that American washer-women of all ranks, when past their prime, generally look thin, worn, care-begone, as if they may have led a life of much trouble and few enjoyments, but English women look as if they had fed upon the fat of meat, and made themselves gross and earthy in all sorts of ways. As a point of taste, I prefer my own countrywomen, though it is a pity that we must choose between a greasy animal and an anxious skeleton."

Nathaniel Hawthorne, 1854

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.newenglandtravelplanner.com/assets/images/people/hawthorne.jpg

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

The "California Girls" of its day.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

women of 1854 in being ugly shockah

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

In Canada we have greasy skeletons. Rrrrrrrrowr!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Keynes on Lloyd George: "This goat-footed bard, this half-human visitor to our age from the hag-ridden magic and enchanted woods of Celtic antiquity..."

― andy --, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

dude, there's a third way.

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

so wait, all those milkfed zaftig honeys in olden times paintings are a myth?

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

so wait, all those Sports Illustrated swimsuit models have got 47% of their body completely airbrushed?

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Nate's got STANDARDS is all.. but it sounds like he'll settle.

― andy --, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

Maybe if he didn't chase washer-women so incessantly he might find a lady to his liking.

― andy --, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Hulk, I think they were milkfed marvels up until about age 18, by which time the endless work, childbearing, lack of medical/dental plan, and provisions both insufficient and insufficiently nutritious had taken their toll. Among other things.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

"past their prime" was about = 28 years old in his day

on preview, i'm 10 years off!

― Lukas (lukas), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

well, after 18 they're fairly useless in 2005 too

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

i mean, am i right fellas?

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

One thing I'll say about UK girls is that you can tell what they're going to look like when they're 50... US girls keep the secret for longer.

― andy --, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Whereas this plump little French countess in Ingres' painting of 1854 would have suited me just fine.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2001/11/08/Ingreslg.jpg

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Ooops. Looks like it was 1845. By 1854 she would have been immonde.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

"What chiefly struck me was the stink in the women, as water had yet to be invented..."

― PappaWheelie B.C., Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Gold miners were really into Lily Langtree and Jenny Lind.

― andy --, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sweden.se/upload/Sweden_se/english/factsheets/SI/portraits/Lind/Jenny_Lind_helspalt.jpg

Jenny Lind! hot.

― andy --, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

so wait, all those milkfed zaftig honeys in olden times paintings are a myth?

More like they were as representative of the average woman of their day as Kate Moss represents the average woman of our day.

― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

READY THE TIME MACHINE

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Elizabeth was 17 in 1854 when she married Franz-Joseph.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/1998/98aug22/saturday/17tt10.jpg

I'da hit it (and subsequently been executed by the Austrian police).

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Whatever you'd hit, your hand would still be a mile from her ass.

― donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Like I ever would have had a chance of getting a mile from a Bavarian princess's or Austrian empress's ass, donut.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

The third way = lager-guzzling and pork-eating

― laurence bavaria (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

A Nervous Splendor to thread. (Among other things it shows how elegantly Hapsburg court suicides can be done.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Is that the Otto Friedrich book, Ned?

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Vicky and her brood, 1854.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

http://www.btinternet.com/~sbishop100/fam2.jpg

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

http://www.peoples.ru/art/painter/rubens/rubens_1.jpg

Back in the day them bitches had CURVES, ho!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.btinternet.com/~sbishop100/lily.jpg

Lily Langtry.... HOT!

― andy --, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Xxxxxpost -- Andy, I've noticed the same thing you say about the keeping the 50-yr old future a secret, even if only applicable to isolated specimens. What the hell do you think makes the difference? I have no idea.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

La plus que change, la plus que le meme chose

― stewart downes (sdownes), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

n/a, you don't realize what a big favor you've done for me in my research!! Thanks!

― simian (dymaxia), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Are you writing a thesis on "California Girls"?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

BTW, this quote was on my "Forgotten English" desk calendar for yesterday.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

I also remember reading a quote by Darwin's grandson, in which he proclaimed the women of London the loveliest, and getting progressively worse the more Northern he went, culminating in Aberdeen. (I used to live in Aberdeen and some days I would be horrible and think about that quote on the bus.)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Like I ever would have had a chance of getting a mile from a Bavarian princess's or Austrian empress's ass, donut.

Dreams can come true.

― donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...sssssssssssssssss

...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Whoops! wrong thread!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

donut, few of my present dreams actually include the re-establishment of the Hapsburg empire.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

all i know is one of my dreams came true, and that's non-sequitir posts from Spencer saying "ass" like an asp!

― donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

It's 'cause he's was a mile away from the ass and had to make it last.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

OK, so if this is now the thread for posting pictures of hot 19th Century woman...

Ada Lovelace
http://plus.maths.org/issue34/features/ada/mactutor_ada19.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

Whatever Lola wants, Lola gets...
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/erca/juliette/images/disques/albums/rimes_galerie/lola_montes.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Lola had an interesting life.

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs23/countesscastiglione1837.jpg

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Hubba Hubba!

― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Countess Mary Vetsera (of Meyerling notoriety) on the right.

ihttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Larisch-%26-Vetsera.png

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Alice Keppel

ihttp://www.martinstown.co.uk/WEBSITE/OBJECTS/STURTPICS/GUESTS/EdwardVII_files/keppel.jpg

― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

One of those two ladies looks just like Julie Christie, Mike.

― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

The present is so awesome.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

Whereas the past is a foreign country- they do things differently there.

― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

venus of willendorff=HOTT

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/olivier.masini/base.parietale/V%E9nus/willendorf.w.jpg

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:51 (twenty years ago)

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