Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
RELIGIOUS belief can cause damage to a society, contributing towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide, according to research published today.
According to the study, belief in and worship of God are not only unnecessary for a healthy society but may actually contribute to social problems.
The study counters the view of believers that religion is necessary to provide the moral and ethical foundations of a healthy society.
It compares the social peformance of relatively secular countries, such as Britain, with the US, where the majority believes in a creator rather than the theory of evolution. Many conservative evangelicals in the US consider Darwinism to be a social evil, believing that it inspires atheism and amorality.
Many liberal Christians and believers of other faiths hold that religious belief is socially beneficial, believing that it helps to lower rates of violent crime, murder, suicide, sexual promiscuity and abortion. The benefits of religious belief to a society have been described as its “spiritual capital”. But the study claims that the devotion of many in the US may actually contribute to its ills.
The paper, published in the Journal of Religion and Society, a US academic journal, reports: “Many Americans agree that their churchgoing nation is an exceptional, God-blessed, shining city on the hill that stands as an impressive example for an increasingly sceptical world.
“In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies.
“The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the developing democracies, sometimes spectacularly so.”
Gregory Paul, the author of the study and a social scientist, used data from the International Social Survey Programme, Gallup and other research bodies to reach his conclusions.
He compared social indicators such as murder rates, abortion, suicide and teenage pregnancy.
The study concluded that the US was the world’s only prosperous democracy where murder rates were still high, and that the least devout nations were the least dysfunctional. Mr Paul said that rates of gonorrhoea in adolescents in the US were up to 300 times higher than in less devout democratic countries. The US also suffered from “ uniquely high” adolescent and adult syphilis infection rates, and adolescent abortion rates, the study suggested.
Mr Paul said: “The study shows that England, despite the social ills it has, is actually performing a good deal better than the USA in most indicators, even though it is now a much less religious nation than America.”
He said that the disparity was even greater when the US was compared with other countries, including France, Japan and the Scandinavian countries. These nations had been the most successful in reducing murder rates, early mortality, sexually transmitted diseases and abortion, he added.
Mr Paul delayed releasing the study until now because of Hurricane Katrina. He said that the evidence accumulated by a number of different studies suggested that religion might actually contribute to social ills. “I suspect that Europeans are increasingly repelled by the poor societal performance of the Christian states,” he added.
He said that most Western nations would become more religious only if the theory of evolution could be overturned and the existence of God scientifically proven. Likewise, the theory of evolution would not enjoy majority support in the US unless there was a marked decline in religious belief, Mr Paul said.
“The non-religious, proevolution democracies contradict the dictum that a society cannot enjoy good conditions unless most citizens ardently believe in a moral creator.
“The widely held fear that a Godless citizenry must experience societal disaster is therefore refuted.”
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― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)
In this post-9/11, post-Katrina world, who knows how much piracy has been flourishing?
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)
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― sunny successor (he hates my guts, we had a fight) (katharine), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)
― jimmy glass (electricsound), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)
― Tree of Stars, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)
“The non-religious, pro-evolution democracies contradict the dictum that a society cannot enjoy good conditions unless most citizens ardently believe in a moral creator.
are correct. Moreover, anyone who claims that Paul has constructed a straw man has simply not been paying attention to the current prevailing American zeitgeist.
Fundamentalists speak of the descent of God's wrath on secular societies. Liberal and moderate religionists tout supernatural rules for their pragmatic necessity. Looks to me like Paul's study is a pretty damn good refutation of both groups' assertions.
― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)
― Jur Carias, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)
I don't know that it does. But, if it does, one possible reason might be that it infantilizes our ethical sensibilities by dissociating critical thinking from moral choices.
― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)
― Tony Curtis, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)
-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), September 27th, 2005.
Sure, but also poor educaiton and social safety net = higher crime, poor healthcare = higher infant mortality rate, etc. My point is the article is a bunch of crap piled on top of maybe a tiny piece of worthwhile information.
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)
Case in point.
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)
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― fr, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)
― donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)
The main argument is flimsy as what this man considers a "worse" society to be is vague at best. America is still the most prosperous country in the world. He also doesn't tell if belief in Darwinism or atheism necessarily correlates with a great society. Considering that I've read that East Germany had the highest rates for belief in Darwinism in the world I doubt he'd want to publish that as it'd make his whole theory sound unstable. Considering that church attendence in America was at it's highest in the late-50s and that England was at its peak during the now unfashionable era of "Victorian values" you could also make the exact opposite case using the same exact same countries. Are you tell me that crime rates and abortions went up during the 1960's and 1970's because people were getting more and more religious in America? Australia is one of the only other countries I've read about that seems to have Christian conservatives in the American vain. Are they "struggling" too? No mention at all of the millions of people murdered or forced to have abortions in atheistic communist countries during the 20th century and today as well.
― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)
― 频专 (eman), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)
not to mention that it's just a rehash of arguments we've heard since The Enlightenment.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)