Out of Office Auto Replies. DUD

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'Hi - I am currently on a beach in Mexico and will not be returning 'til the 10th of October. Please direct any urgent queries to blah blah blah. Yours, Smug Bitch'

Am I the only person in the world who finds auto replies obnoxious? Especially when the person who has it on is just another name on your group list and you couldn't care less where they were?

Rumpie, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)

I find your question interesting. I'll address your concerns with a witty remark and perhaps an animated gif upon my return Monday.

g

gear (gear), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:21 (twenty years ago)

i received an auto-reply last week that said "____ no longer works here; please contact ____ instead." but then THAT contact was also the wrong person, so my e-mail got bounced off to someone else (who was actually very helpful).

faith popcorn (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

We've banned people from using auto-reply at our company, on the grounds that it increases incoming spam.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

Because of FOI rules we have to use auto replies if we're away for anything more than a few days as we're supposed to deal with those enquiries within 10 days.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

do you have a government job (if you don't mind me asking)?

faith popcorn (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:05 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

About 90% of the emails I send out in work are for information only - in the height of season when many of my contacts are on holiday my inbox becomes inundated with Auto Replies up to 10 times a day.

I don't need to know you aren't there! I don't care if you get my email or not!

Rumpie, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

If anyone's going to be away from the office for any length of time, their incoming mail gets copied to a colleague whilst they're off, to make sure any urgent enquiries don't get ignored.

(arguably, auto-responders don't cover the requirement of "dealing" with an enquiry anyway - you can hardly say "we respond to all enquiries within SECONDS!" when nobody has actually looked at the incoming email)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

It's not that the auto-reply deals with the enquiry, it's that it provides contact details for someone who can.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

People taking holidays from work! It's outrageous!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

Who said anything about holidays :-(

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:15 (twenty years ago)

these days, anybody who's on vacation can still find a way to check their work e-mail. they just don't want to be bothered while they're drinking 64-ounce flaming blue cocktails by the pool.

faith popcorn (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)

Indeed. And why should they?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

It's not that the auto-reply deals with the enquiry, it's that it provides contact details for someone who can.

Well in that case why not just forward the email straight to them instead? ;-)

xpost: JBR is right. I can easily log into the office network and check my email from home, but I stop myself doing it because when I'm at home I'm not at work, so I shouldn't have to do work stuff.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

it's fun to leave stacks of work with incompetent coworkers and then hear all about their screwups when you get back.

faith popcorn (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)

or, more to the point, have to deal with/sort out their screwups when i get back. this is why i am currently extremely reluctant to take any holiday. the staffing situation here is, shall i say, suboptimal.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:24 (twenty years ago)

I can choose to forward my mail to someone who can deal with anything urgent in my absense, but people know to call if there are any major issues - phones tend to be the first point of contact for things needing dealt with. Well, that's certainly the case in my place of work.

Rumpie, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)

Well in that case why not just forward the email straight to them instead? ;-)

Because they'd be receiving dozens of emails, most of which are none of their business or field of expertise and some of which are likely to be of a personal nature.

As it happens I don't think I've had to deal with a FOI inquiry yet, they tend to go through the 'pr' department

xpost and that's why I put a contact number on.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)

When you go on holiday, is it better to come back to a scene of utter disaster in the office (hard to cope with, but it proves that people cannot function without you) or a scene of unprecidented calm and order (makes for an easy life but proves you are completely worthless)?

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:34 (twenty years ago)

From the point of view of proving a point, definitely the former. The question is whether repeatedly proving that my workplace cannot function without me justifies the fatal coronary which will inevitably arise, sooner or later?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

We have to use them too, but all i put when I'm on holiday is 'i'm on leave, talk to john instead' something like that

one of my colleagues got in deep water over his reply when he went on holiday to holland, the PA to the gen manager had emailed him during his leave. They were a bit upset when they received this auto-reply: "i'm away on holiday sticking my fingers in dykes..."

Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

We've banned people from using auto-reply at our company, on the grounds that it increases incoming spam.

I'm an idiot, how does that increase spam?

I think it's handy because you know you won't get a reply soon. *shrug* But then I rarely get auto-reply emails...

nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

I'm an idiot, how does that increase spam?

if spammers receive a reply from the person they're sending spam to, they know that your e-mail address is valid -- hence, even more spam.

faith popcorn (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

"I will be out of the office until 1 October. If you need to contact me before then please speak to my colleague X on 020 7...".

My e-mails never really seem to be urgent enough to justify contacting my friends' colleagues, but I'm always tempted to phone up and say "Hello, yes I was trying to contact [friend] but I understand he's out of the office for a few days. Could you get in touch with him and let him know that I've found a great website with photos of dogs in bee costumes. Thankyou."

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)

I got 700 emails one day because someone's out of office reply would send an email everytime someone posted to the list. Like, even if that post said, "I'll be out of the office until Tuesday." um, dig?

That said, I do use out of office replies for my work email, but I don't give my work email out to many people - so it's only internal coworkers who get the replies, and I assume they would rather know that I'm not just blowing them off.

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

What happens here is someone goes a away puts on an autoreply then forgets and sends an email to everyone of whom one is also away and has an auto reply.

So the autoreplys autreply to each other.

fun.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

F*CK!!! This just reminds me that I forgot to set one before I left work last week. This means that I will return tomorrow to an inbox full of irate bankers wanting to know why I haven't done this thing, this tiny thing the moment that they asked for it.

When you've got a large organisation with multiple branches and a huge demand load, it is kind of important. Argh argh, what hell awaits my inbox tomorrow...

The Brocade Fire (kate), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

even if i have the autoreply on i still come back to a hoard of email.

So the autoreplys autreply to each other.

I think we have a system that recognises when this happens and prevents the flooding of hundreds of emails.

Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

"an inbox full of irate bankers"

Is that rhyming slang?

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, should be! (Unforunately it is completely literal.)

The Brocade Fire (kate), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

autoreplies should only go back to sender rather than the whole To: list anyway, and only sends autoreply to a particular recipient once only (within the same 'conversation' i.e. subject line) so autoreply would ping pong a maximum of once if it does happen!

it's very helpful at our work because we rely on email a lot within the department to communicate and there are a lot of emails to go through so it's good to know when someone is actually away, rather than just you waiting for a reply and never getting one thinking they're just busy.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

but yes it's obviously silly when people use it to boast about their holidays, but that's them who are dud, not the out of office! out of office don't boast about holidays, people do!

lol. but i do that sometimes. just before i go on holiday i get my colleagues to "TEST OUT" haha my out of office reply (usually i get the colleague who's name i nominated as my cover to test ;) )

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

The problem with "only autoreply to a particular conversation once only" is that when people use Outlook Express it looks like they're starting a new conversation with each reply.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

autoreplies should only go back to sender rather than the whole To: list

there's a choice on ours, some people forget to un-click the 'reply to all recipients' box.
clowns.

Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

We get to specify that the autoreply doesn't go to messages from mailing lists, even internal ones. Fortunately.

I love setting my autoreply - it's that clinching thing that makes me feel I'm really on holiday.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

haha speaking of which. if you're a regular poster on sinister you'll realise that carsmile seems to be ALWAYS on holiday

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

Well in that case why not just forward the email straight to them instead? ;-)

Because:
A) Not all email programs do this, just like apparently not all email programs have been equipped with the technology to only send one auto-reply per contact or not to send it to group mass emails.
B) You might not necessarily want everyone reading all of your email. Nor might your backup want all of your email, especially if a huge pile of it is spam and coupons from people you've ordered things from (none of my work emails have ever been spammed but quite a lot of my coworkers, present and former, seem to receive about 70 spams a day).
C) It is completely, completely dishonest and borderline unethical depending on your line of work. IE you should not be forwarding around potentially confidential business information all over the office without prior consent of the person sending you the message. If you have an auto-reply, it alerts the person you are out, who can then CHOOSE to contact your backup. If you have auto-forwarding, you've basically forced them to give information to someone they might not know or who might not be authorized to have this information, without their consent. From a business standpoint, this is not necessarily a great idea.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Not all email programs do this

It's normally done on the server-side. Pretty much *all* email servers have the capability to do this, and it takes a few seconds for the admin staff to enable/disable.

You might not necessarily want everyone reading all of your email

Well, if it's your work email, then who gets to read your account isn't up to you anyway.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

thank you ken.

i'm not sure why our set-up does that, sending a reply to everyone who posts to the list, i guess it's to do with sinister beging set up so "reply to" goes to the writer rather than the list...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

Of course, if it *wasn't*, the whole list might get a Carsmile auto-reply after every post. Which would have led Honey to give you a slap by now.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it really isn't up to you who reads your emails but 99.9% of companies in the world do have basic respect for employee emails, especially the higher up you go (ie the more likely you're dealing with confidential internal matters) (see my THIRD FREAKING POINT).

It is unethical, in my opinion, to autoforward emails to another person. But I spent the majority of my workplace career up til recently dealing with sensitive information that others didn't necessarily need to/should know. I can see, in a different job, where you never have to handle information like that, auto-forwarding email. But I still think it's unethical, from the standpoint that the sender is sending mail to YOU, and you are forwarding it without notice or permission to someone else.

Obv this does not apply if we're talking jobs where a person does nothing but general information requests etc.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Also I'm not sure why the assumption here is that the auto-reply automatically connotates smug bitch vacationing??? I think that is what is hetting me up the most about the thread actually, I mean what in the hell? I only wish that half of my "vacations" were spent actually vacationing and not due to some health problem or personal issue! You people are all completely frigging mental. Next you'll be eating ice cream in the streets.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

If it's someone who might have to deal with sensitive information - like a company director or a senior manager - then we give the office PA access to their mail folders whilst they're away, so that she can deal with anything urgent.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

(a company that has projects and information so confidential that only one single person can read stuff about it has serious problems, though)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Ice Cream in the street? NEVER.

This particular Auto Reply came back to me at seven o clock this morning when I replied to Smug Bitches supposed 'Urgent Request' she had sent to me in bold capitals (with exclamation marks!!!!! lots of them!!!!) last night.

I emailed her back to advise that urgent out of hours requests were dealt with by the Urgent Out of Hours Request Department (or some other creatures of the night) but I would endeavour to deal with her problem as soon as I had fully woken up.

Mexico? Hope she's lying there all hot, sticky and blotchy with sandflies nipping her vacationing butt.

Rumpie, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for reminding me to set my OOO for tomorrow, ILX.

(yeah, it can seem smug when you're at work and would rather not be, but everyone knows it's essential and required for covering your ass)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

CLASSIC because it shows that the person you're trying to contact cares enough to let people know where he/she is and who can be contacted in his/her stead -- a lot of folks don't bother to do this, and it often leads to confusion and massive re-emailing for fear that initial message didn't get through or something.

The two times in my life I've set up auto-response, I've written obnoxiously long messages, knowing that I'd piss a lot of people off but would amuse a couple (the majority of these things are super-threadbare and impersonal, and I wanted to avoid that trend):

"I will be out of the office from 4:30 P.M. on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005 unti 8:00 A.M. Monday, Sept. 12, 2005. Depending on when you wrote to me, I am either:

1) Getting ready to leave for a much-needed nine days off
2) Relaxing
3) Cleaning the house
4) Running errands
5) Clearing my mind briefly of all stress-inducing thoughts while reclining in a comfortable chair.

Rest assured: I am thinking of you and wishing I could read whatever message you have to share with me; rest assured: I will respond as soon as I am able. And together we will once again rejoice in the splendor of nearly instantaneous electronic oneness.

Ray"

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

I don't really mind.

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

i can't set my work thing to auto forward because then all my mates are going to be sending RUDE THINGS to my colleagues!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)


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