Tom DeLay finally indicted?

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Air America just mentioned this. Something mentioning this possibility was also the lead bit on Wonkette today.

Anybody know anything about this yet?

(the alternate thread title, "Hang Down Your Head, Tom DeLay, Hang Down Your Head And Cry," but we felt that a touch too esoteric even for our erudite listening audience.)

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

CNN has this header in red:

BREAKING NEWS
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay indicted on one count of criminal conspiracy by Texas grand jury, according to Travis County clerk's office.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

http://ourworld.cs.com/WeezelX/rs/holdrecord.jpg

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

Though ONE count of conspiracy vs. the hundreds of others he could be nailed on isn't going to help anyone hedge their bets on a conviction...

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Oh, i do hope all the Saipan/Native American Casino/mob hit stuff gets entered into the House Record, too.

maybe some folks will remember how House Repubs tried to change the rules earlier this year just to protect his ass, but finally had to acquiesce...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

What did the republicans do to protect him? I dont know anything about this.

Benjamin H (BillMartini), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

House GOP rules require any member of the elected leadership to step down temporarily if indicted. They wanted to change that.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Who doesn't know Tom Dooley?

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Tom Dooley was innocent though. I doubt that's the case with DeLay.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Goooooooooooooood point.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

in other entertaining news, Bill Frist is gon' get probed by the SEC for his "alleged" insider trading...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

The walls are coming a-tumbling down.

Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

(take 47...)

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

House GOP rules require any member of the elected leadership to step down temporarily if indicted. They wanted to change that.

They actually did change it, whilst drunk on power after the election. When they realized that their power wasn't actually absolute enough to keep people from writing mean things about them in the media and on the Internets, they changed it back.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Digby sums it all up

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

(I'm sure there have been plenty of brojobs since the Republicans took over.)

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

yes, dan, but where are the DRESSES?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

Some of the duties may go to the GOP whip, Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri.

I wonder if this will get mentioned on 'Wait. Wait. Don't Tell Me.'?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Taken from a published letter to the Houston Press:

"In an article on September 9, the Houston Chronicle detailed the good congressman's visit to the Astrodome.

"...DeLay stopped to talk with three young boys resting on cots. The congressman likened their stay to being at camp and asked, 'Now tell me the truth, boys, is this kind of fun?' They nodded yes, but looked perplexed."

Perhaps someone should take this idiot out of his home in the middle of the night, leave him on a bridge for five or six days without food and water, remove him from his children and wife for a few days with no way to know if they're alive, and then ask him if he's having fun."

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

new game show? "Who Gon' Get Blunted?"

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050928/ap_on_go_co/delay_investigation_20


At the White House, press secretary Scott McClellan said the president still considers DeLay — a fellow Texan — a friend and an effective leader in Congress.

"Congressman DeLay is a good ally, a leader who we have worked closely with to get things done for the American people," McClellan said. "I think the president's view is that we need to let the legal process work."


A FELLOW TEXAN!

SAM/DEE, DO YOU ENJOY YOUR FELLOW TEXAN(S) AS MUCH?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

"...DeLay stopped to talk with three young boys resting on cots. The congressman likened their stay to being at camp and asked, 'Now tell me the truth, boys, is this kind of fun?' They nodded yes, but looked perplexed."

How can you tell if someone is just creepy or actually a pedophile?

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

"Wanna play Aquaman?"

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

"Do you boys like gladiator movies?"

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/images/20041103/us_election_house_041102/160_ap_delay_20041102.jpg

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

today's phrase, "closet heterosexual", in reference to Dreier, who was apparently passed over to House Majority Leader for Blunt.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

The Blunts are a big political dynasty here in MO, for those who don't know. Blunt's kid Matt is our governor, now in his first term, currently near the bottom of all governors in terms of approval ratings and deservedly so. Claire McCaskill challenged Matt for the governorship in 2004 and narrowly lost, she's challenging Roy for his senate seat now. I'm a big fan of hers.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

The walls are coming a-tumbling down.

-- Maxwell von Bismarck (chim...), September 28th, 2005. (later)

yeah yeah yeah, e'eybody was sayin' this around the time of Abu Ghraib, too. I oppose the present admin but I do hate it when one or two bad things happen and the left is like "woo-hoo, we won! 'cause umm a couple of news cycles went our way!"

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/getoutofjailfree.gif

dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

a neat little bit of background on Blunt, and the company his wife is a lobbyist for...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

and if Dreier was pre-empted as House Majority Leader just b/c he was gay, will people actually talk about it?
However, if the Republican-Majority-Leader-to-be was preempted because he was gay, that is real news. I haven't heard the commentary yet, but several people have reported to me that CNN's Wolf Blitzer stated that Dreier was blocked at the last moment because he was pro-choice, from Southern California, and had "other issues" -- the last part stated in a low and halting voice.

If true, what is that about, Wolf? If Dreier -- who is one of the most powerful and, frankly, capable members of House Republican leadership -- Chairman of the powerful Rules Committee -- was stopped from stepping into the indicted Tom DeLay's seat because he was gay -- can we finally get beyond the blogs and onto the pages of the New York Times and Washington Post about this real news?


kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

If Dreier -- who is one of the most powerful and, frankly, capable members of House Republican leadership -- Chairman of the powerful Rules Committee -- was stopped from stepping into the indicted Tom DeLay's seat because he was gay -- can we finally get beyond the blogs and onto the pages of the New York Times and Washington Post about this real news?

No.

The Ghost of Which Fantasy America Is This Guy Living In? (Dan Perry), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

well, of course...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/09/28/PH2005092802630.jpg

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

more on Roy Blunt, including the funneling of bucks into his son's gubenatorial campaign, legislation he snuck in on behalf of the companies that his 2nd wife and son lobbied for, etc.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

and now Mrs. Thatcher is involved

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

AP just reports!

Embattled Rep. Tom DeLay is indicted on a new charge of money laundering by a Texas grand jury

Fun fun!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

xpost - Now indicted on money laundering as well.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

http://members.aol.com/sudori/comserv/posse/topics/possephotos/Posse2.jpg

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm looking kinda relaxed there. Wonder why?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

it''s the dip.

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

Yum!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Now that they finally called it "money laundering," I guess all those people who've been saying, "I can't even tell what he's accused of" will maybe shut up. I hope.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Jon Stewart to thread.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it annoyed me that Stewart picked that up. It's not like the accusations are that obscure or esoteric.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

Here we go, here we go...

Tom DeLay deliberately raised more money than he needed to throw parties at the 2000 presidential convention, then diverted some of the excess to longtime ally Roy Blunt through a series of donations that benefited both men's causes.

When the financial carousel stopped, DeLay's private charity, the consulting firm that employed DeLay's wife and the Missouri campaign of Blunt's son all ended up with money, according to campaign documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

Jack Abramoff, a Washington lobbyist recently charged in an ongoing federal corruption and fraud investigation, and Jim Ellis, the DeLay fundraiser indicted with his boss last week in Texas, also came into the picture.

The complicated transactions are drawing scrutiny in legal and political circles after a grand jury indicted DeLay on charges of violating Texas law with a scheme to launder illegal corporate donations to state candidates.

Blunt last week temporarily replaced DeLay as House majority leader, and Blunt's son, Matt, has now risen to Missouri's governor.

The government's former chief election enforcement lawyer said the Blunt and DeLay transactions are similar to the Texas case and raise questions that should be investigated regarding whether donors were deceived or the true destination of their money was concealed.

"These people clearly like using middlemen for their transactions," said Lawrence Noble. "It seems to be a pattern with DeLay funneling money to different groups, at least to obscure, if not cover, the original source," said Noble, who was the Federal Election Commission's chief lawyer for 13 years, including in 2000 when the transactions occurred.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
they took perkins off the case.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

WTF, I just read that as well. http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5386052,00.html

Somehow this disturbs me more than any of the other political craziness that has been going on lately. So judges should not be allowed to vote or donate money to political causes?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

if the case against delay is solid (and i believe it is) then this shouldn't matter.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

Jury trial?

the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

I know there are some lawyers around here so somebody please explain to me how this doesn't represent a total meltdown of the justice system in TX. Since they are elected officials aren't judges themselves essentially politicians? Won't a Republican judge be equally impartial by their logic? Aren't political contributions protected as free speech according to the Supreme Court?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

Can we get a do-over on the SCOTUS handing Bush the presidency in 2000?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:37 (twenty years ago)

you are making a molehill into a mountain.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:42 (twenty years ago)

i think that you both are right.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:52 (twenty years ago)

Wonkette:

...We see a slippery slope here: What if, say, a Supreme Court judicial nominee had been the personal lawyer of someone who has business before the Court? She might have to withdraw her nomination or something. Should there not be any other reasons to withdraw it. Geez, next thing you know, judges and litigants won't even be able to go duck hunting together anymore.

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

I thought the substance of the judge's conflict was that he had donated not just to Democratic candidates, but also to some of the liberal groups who were specifically targeting DeLay with the "Indict DeLay" ads that you see on various blogs, etc. That may be seen by some as a distinction without a difference, but FWIW.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

He donated money to Moveon prior to the 2004 presidential election. I think the real issues are 1) that judges in Texas are elected officials and 2) if DeLay and his lawyers are right that judges can't be impartial because of their political affiliation, than what's the use of having a judiciary in the first place? Just have trials in the court of public opinion, maybe in the town square, and be done with it.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

I was kinda more interested in this motion, reported by AP, than the judge business:

DeLay's lawyers also are seeking to have the trial moved out of
Austin, citing media attention and noting that Austin, widely
perceived as a liberal college town, is ``one of the last enclaves
of the Democratic Party in Texas.''

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

DeLay's legal strategy, which of course isn't totally stupid, is to keep up the "political witch hunt" mantra throughout the process. What's surprising is that the Texas courts have decided to play along to prevent the "appearance of impropriety." Why not move it from Austin? Maybe they should move it to conservative-leaning Dallas so DeLay can get a "fair hearing?"

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Tom and his buds can just redistrict Austin before the trial.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

If they're not moving the much more inflammatory Enron trials, I can't see what legitimate argument Delay could make. I also have a feeling that they weren't necessarily intending to replace Perkins but rather, they were trying to get their objections on record. Successfully replacing Perkins seems to me like it would undermine any attempt to move venue.

discus (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Surprisingly quiet now, considering that the second, Republican judge has been recused.

discus (dr g), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

Haven't heard that one. what's the story?

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051103/ap_on_go_co/delay_indictment_judge_7

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

State documents examined by The Associated Press show that Jefferson's 2002 campaign treasurer, Bill Ceverha, also was the treasurer of DeLay's Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee. Ceverha was a defendant this spring in a civil trial brought by Democrats who lost state legislative races to Republicans in 2002.

Ooooooooooooooops!

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

But in a state where judges are elected and free to contribute to candidates and political parties, it could be a challenge to find a judge who meets both sides' definition of impartial.

THERE's your problem, madam!

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

This seems a bit different to me. The first judge simply donated money to Democratic causes while the second judge employed someone who was involved with the finances of the defendant in a case that centers on shady financial dealings.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

Actually, Jefferson is the THIRD judge.. Schraub was the second judge recused for the, more or less, complementary reason as the first.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

I can't keep up.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 4 November 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

In a related story, Ralph Reed finally getting in trouble for the abramoff/casino thing...

Contains this much-commented-upon bit right at the end:

...Two years earlier, Reed had worked with Abramoff, fighting a state lottery and video poker legislation in Alabama, largely through that state's Christian Coalition chapter. Financing came from the Mississippi Band of Choctaws, another Indian tribe with casino interests to protect.

In that case, Reed and the Choctaws said the money came from the tribe's non-gaming businesses — although e-mails indicated Reed helped hide the cash's origins by funneling it through other organizations.

Reed had also helped kill a proposed ban on Internet gambling on behalf of eLottery Inc., an Abramoff client eager to sell state lottery tickets on-line. But the Coushattas may have been Abramoff's richest client.

"As Mr. Abramoff had learned with other clients, mobilizing and manipulating the Christian Coalition was an effective way to turn back potential gaming competitors," Dorgan said.

In an e-mail sent to Kathryn Van Hoof, a former outside lawyer for the Coushatta tribe, Abramoff's partner, Michael Scanlon, boiled down Reed's importance to the project: "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them. The wackos get their information [from] the Christian right, Christian radio, e-mail, the Internet and telephone trees," Scanlon wrote.

Tho i'm disappointed the Washington Times wasn't listed.

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 5 November 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
the conspiracy charges were thrown out, but the money laundering ones are still there.

"The court's decision to dismiss Ronnie Earle's numerous charges against Mr. DeLay underscores just how baseless and politically motivated the charges were," DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said, referring to the Democratic district attorney who brought the case.

kingfish crab trampycakes (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
MSNBC reporting that DeLay will not seek re-election. I wonder if he figured out that Ronnie Earle's got him nailed?

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

"This had become a referendum on me,"

Its an election moron.

Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 04:05 (twenty years ago)

i finally figured out who ricky gervais reminded me of.


http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/04/04/PH2006040400185.jpg http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/07/28/ricky_gervais_narrowweb__200x342.jpg

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 07:05 (twenty years ago)

From the beeb...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4874566.stm
"The White House is not directly involved.."
So that's OK then.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 07:38 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Oh dear.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 27 June 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it'll allow him a few more smug grins but with the Abramoff deal hanging around and all, still.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 June 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Well, yes.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:21 (sixteen years ago)

AND Chuck Lidell. They def. need to have a number together.

The Love Song of J Alfred Pluot (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 18:21 (sixteen years ago)

"I love dancing. Ya gotta love dancing if you’re from Texas."

Unless you're Baptist! Then you gotta damn it to hell.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 18:42 (sixteen years ago)

He refuses to die.

http://mediaspin.com/blog/wp-images/tomdelay_ZOMBIE-NIGHTMARE.jpg

Derelict, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 19:55 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Ha.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 23:21 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

sentenced to three years today.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 10 January 2011 20:38 (fifteen years ago)

link

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 10 January 2011 20:39 (fifteen years ago)

appeals will drag this out another couple of years, most likely

Aimless, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:48 (fifteen years ago)


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