The case of US Army Captain Ian Fishback (and minor stuff like, y'know, torture in Iraq by the Armed Forces)

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It deserves a separate thread. A (if not the) chief source in the Human Rights Watch report on torture in Iraq, Fishback has also, to his immeasurable credit, done his best to alert sympathetic congressmen to what 'allegedly' is going on. His letter to McCain on September 16 has been reprinted by the Washington Post. It is worth reading in full, but to quote some key bits:

Some do not see the need for this work. Some argue that since our actions are not as horrifying as Al Qaeda's, we should not be concerned. When did Al Qaeda become any type of standard by which we measure the morality of the United States? We are America, and our actions should be held to a higher standard, the ideals expressed in documents such as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Others argue that clear standards will limit the President's ability to wage the War on Terror. Since clear standards only limit interrogation techniques, it is reasonable for me to assume that supporters of this argument desire to use coercion to acquire information from detainees. This is morally inconsistent with the Constitution and justice in war. It is unacceptable.

Both of these arguments stem from the larger question, the most important question that this generation will answer. Do we sacrifice our ideals in order to preserve security? Terrorism inspires fear and suppresses ideals like freedom and individual rights. Overcoming the fear posed by terrorist threats is a tremendous test of our courage. Will we confront danger and adversity in order to preserve our ideals, or will our courage and commitment to individual rights wither at the prospect of sacrifice? My response is simple. If we abandon our ideals in the face of adversity and aggression, then those ideals were never really in our possession. I would rather die fighting than give up even the smallest part of the idea that is "America."

Frankly, my kinda guy, as much as Pat Tillman proved to be.

So logically, for deciding to whistleblow big time, he's being trashed -- and worse, it seems. Sullivan is, as far as I can tell, his most earnest defender -- which has its problems -- but cut through his usual to-the-max language and if what he's reporting is on the level, 'smear' understates:

Fishback has now been sequestered at Fort Bragg under orders restricting his contacts (the pretext is that he is a key witness in a criminal investigation and that he should not be in contact with outsiders while it continues). My sources tell me that he has been subjected to a series of long, arduous interrogations by CID investigators. Predictably, the CID guys are out to find just one thing: they want to know the identities of his two or three NCO corroborators. The CID folks are apparently indifferent to the accounts of wrongdoing - telling him repeatedly not to waste their time with his stories. Fishback knows if he gives their identities up, these folks will also be destroyed - so he's keeping his silence, so far. The investigators imply that he failed to report abuses, so he may be charged, or that he is peddling falsehoods and will be charged for that. They tell him his career in the Army is over. Meanwhile the peer pressure on him is enormous. I'm reliably told that he has been subjected to an unending stream of threats and acts of intimidation from fellow officers. He is accused of betraying the Army, and betraying his unit by bringing it into disrepute. His motives are challenged. He is accused of siding with the enemy and working for their cause. And it goes on and on.

What happens next is unknown -- but watch this space.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Hello John Kerry II.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

As a side note, it's been reported that Fishback is by all accounts a conservative Christian man, and that not merely his ideals but his morals have been outraged. The rhetoric used on the right to justify attacks against him, should it emerge more fully, will be outrageously twisted beyond belief as a result.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Well SHOCKER. Any truly sincere conservative Christian would be appalled by the torture culture endorsed by our administration.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

They tell him his career in the Army is over.

Big FUCKING LOSS!

I could not possibly be happier to be out of the military lately, holy shit.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

here it comes

Judge Orders Release of Abu Ghraib Photos
By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 47 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Saying the United States "does not surrender to blackmail," a judge ruled Thursday that pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

a nice extended summary of it all

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

LET'S REVIEW: A Captain allegedly witnessed abuses which he was trained to recognize in accordance with the field manual on the Law of Land Warfare (like every officer and non-commissioned officer). He didn't stop them. Later he felt bad and decided to go to his chain of command who didn't find his concerns sufficient to act on. He went to the Inspector General (the military watchdog to investigate Soldier’s concerns with the chain of command) who didn't find his concerns sufficient to act on. He went to his Congressional Representative (the next appropriate step if a Soldier is unsatisfied with the other available avenues of complaint) who didn't find his concerns sufficient to act on. Instead of resigning his commission to pursue other means of speaking out (which he knew was the regulation), he went to Human Rights Watch which is very impressed with his story. IF he is right, CPT Fishback must be prosecuted (along with any baseball bat wielding cook) for failure to act when the alleged incident occurred. Instead he is called a hero who has the moral courage to do what others will not (even though he has admitted not acting when he should have) and many immediately assume that everyone else is guilty of a cover-up. The only cover-up immediately apparent is his protection of others who may have also failed to act when they allegedly witnessed violations of the Law of Land Warfare. Of course he wants to complain he didn't understand the rules- because he has admitted he broke them and wants to cast the blame on others. I wonder who will want this guy in their fighting position (foxhole).

Hughvr, Sunday, 2 October 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

Nice to meet you, Mr. Hewitt.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 October 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

(On a larger level, Joseph Galloway has some pertinent thoughts.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 October 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

his name is "ian fishback" haha

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Sunday, 2 October 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Fishback met yesterday with McCain and meets with Levin today. Clark apparently schooled O'Reilly a bit, not that the latter would admit to it. We'll see.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Hughvr, your faith in the world's ability to solve its problems per the offical regulations is actually quite touching.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

It's fairly obvious Hughvr has never been on active duty.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

on a related note, an email from HumanRightsFirst.org says the Senate voting on McCain's anti-toture legislation tonight:

...It is simple and only takes 2 minutes. Tell the staffer who takes your call:

-I am calling to urge my Senator to vote YES on Sen. McCain's amendments tonight.
-These amendments will ensure our troops will get the guidance they desperately need.
-The Senator has a moral and legal obligation to ban cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment.
-These amendments will draw a much-needed line between appropriate interrogation techniques and the horrible abuses I've read about in the papers.

It is easy to make the call - and critical to ensuring success tonight.

Call now. Please don't delay. Your Senators are likely voting TONIGHT.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Clears the Senate 90-9. Now let's see what happens in the House -- and if Bush vetoes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

here's the vote breakdown

Here are the fuckheads who voted against this thing:

Allard (R-CO)
Bond (R-MO)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)

And Corzine (D-NJ) didn't vote. WTF?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

about that bush veto... I hadn't thought of this, but these guys bring up the point that even if this survives the planned House attacks and Bush does veto it, the Senate conceivably has the votes to override that veto, what with it originally passing 90-9.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

nice of my lai apologist colin powell to support this as well

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

War means never having to say you're sorry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

really, say what you will about mccain (ive already called him a 'blatant racist' before breakfast today) but the fact that he extends the empathy gained thru his torture to POWs other than just american soldiers really is commendable

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

McCain was behind the whole "Arizona doesn't recognize MLK Day" thing, wasn't he?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

That was the governor I thought -- Meachem or something like that?

I can't back McCain completely for lots of reasons but for a lot of others the man talks and thinks sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

WHEW okay. That makes me feel better. (White men whose names begin with 'M' all look alike, anyway.)

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

i think hes an honest man, but that means he honestly wants to refer to asians as 'gooks'

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

and now they're going to try to kill the McCain anti-torture bits in the Conference Committee this week...

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
McCain's amendment passes the House, 308-122, with one Democrat voting against. Some guy named Marshall(D-KY).

Also, White House finally caves, will accept McCain's amendment, and will probably make an official pronouncement later today.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

The collapse of resistance on this issue really has been interesting -- there's a lot we actually don't know, and I refuse to believe it's down to a change of heart on the BushCo front.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

of course it's not a change of heart Ned. The "resistance" ended because an obvious political calculation got made.

It's not going to fundamentally change anything. As long as we vigilantly look for torture, we will find it.

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 15 December 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

I wonder how long before those other photos & vids finally get published that the court ordered.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 December 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Duncan Hunter is apparently trying to hold it up somehow.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 December 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
well, that was nice while it lasted

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:45 (twenty years ago)

He's truly a fucking psycho, isn't he?

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

that's one way to put it, sure.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)


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