Secularism vs xmas FITE!

What would you suggest that isn't religion-, calender- or hemisphere-based?

Christmas card with manger, wise men, donkey -> religious.
Christmas card with santa, gifts, tree -> secular.

-- Theorry Henry (miltonpinsk...), December 8th, 2005.

otfm

does paganism not count as religion? 8)

(also this doesn't work in southern hemisphere where it isn't winter)

What would you suggest that isn't religion-, calender- or hemisphere-based?

I didn't suggest it shouldn't be calendar-based. 'Season's greetings' would be fine, although it's a bit ugly. Not everyone's Christian and Christmas is a religious festival – it might be 'secularised' in that many people are not religious but still celebrate it, but it is associated with a particular religion after all.

It's not exactly a new debate, but it is a bit frustrating trying to explain to colleagues how I think they could be a bit more inclusive. (Diplomatically, obviously)

They're marketing the mag I write for. I just raised it as a sort of point for discussion but the discussion got pretty animated. 'PC-gone-mad' was a phrase that did crop up.

People are retarded.

In Lambeth, we don't have Xmas. We have winter lights that go up at Diwali and stay there until New Years.

As a vaguely religious person (or at least someone whose family are devout Christians) I actually understand that secularisation of Christmas to be about "lights and DVD boxsets" is actually pretty offensive. But rather than this whole "Jesus is the reason for the season" and "put Christ back in christmas" malarchy, I'd rather make the whole winter festival secular and non-denominational and leave individual religious celebrations to the individuals.

Oh no it isn't!

OMG! So Michael Jackson really IS 8 years old...

"This is censorship at its most basic level and political correctness to its extreme," said student Ryan Dahn.

This was last year.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Vote2004/story?id=308996&page=1

Okay, stop right there.

Xmas isn't religious!

what is a non-religious version of easter?

not that it's that difficult. just have random 'bank holiday's instead

but why would they be sending a card at all?

WHERE THE TITTIES AT????

HI DERE WEHN WAS JSEUS MADE?

I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I KNOW IT'S WRONG TO GENERALIZE AND THAT MANY OF THE WORLD'S GREAT THINKERS WERE TRANSFORMED BY THE MESSAGE OF LOVE THEY FOUND IN CHRIST'S TEACHINGS BUT ON THE EVIDENCE OF THE PAST THIRTY YEARS OR SO, SHIT HAS GONE STRAIGHT TOXIC

first off, if it wasnt for christ, there would be no such thing as freedom of speech and democracy.....if u dont know what im talking about, think of all the countries that have communists laws or very 'crappy' political systems or very limited freedom.......china, n korea, saudi arabia, etc etc, what do these countries have in common? the majority religion of these countries are not christian...i can go on and on about this, but im faithful that no one is dumb enough for me to explain further

second, if it wasnt for atheists and their 'hollow'/white dry bread lifestyles, i wouldnt be so greatful that i am a faithful and devoted follower of christ (note i didnt say christian).

yes i believe religion just like many things has its 'ups' and 'downs', but all that matters is what u can take out of it, not how well u can follow it....right?

think of this: it might be geographically bias, but picture a hurst towing a U-HUAL, or lugguage being thrown in with a casket, does anyone ever see it happining? obviously not.....why? because its blunt that when u die, these things have no value, all u get to take with you is ur soul.......not the DVD boxsets or the creative secular things u filled ur life with to avoid feeling hollow.

if i had to summerize all this, what i have to say is this:

the moment ur out of ur mother's womb, we only being to start aging and dying....what varies us is how long we live and what we do while we are 'alive'....things will happen to us while we are alive and we dont have any real control over that, however we have control over what do about these things.....this is what develops our character/soul/mind.....our true selves....being secular doesnt necessarly make u a bad person, but it makes that jorney back to 'death' much harder and longer and much more confusing....now when ur 'dead', ur so-called judged.....givin that u've 'experienced' life to the fullist and 'lived each day like its ur last' u should be able to come up with some 'nice' answers to whatever God might wip at you.....now just incase ur being 'judged' and ur a so-called atheist, or a jew or a muslim, buddist, christian, whatever, u should be able to answer these questions much like a student in a course writing an exam, everything on the exam should be do-able, its just a case of studying correctly, hence, living ur life correctly...get me point?

anyways, i dont know if im writing too much, im getting tired and im cooled and i think that by the time i check this site again, i will get responses from all walks of beliefs and ideas.....but its not gonna change my christ

cheers

any canadians bytw?

condescentarianism

so thanks my dicitionary!

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first off, bringing up the past.....the democracy back then was based on social status and cutting off body parts if laws were broken..don't give me the bullshit idea that 'true' democracy occured before christ.......even christ himself cured the cut ear of a man who was talking back to the solidiers in the garden....ever watch 'passion of the christ'?

anyways, this whole government thing is all bias thoughts considering that i am canadian and i live in the best set country in the world.......look at the city of toronto, the most diverse etnically, culturly and religously..(stated by the UN)...its crime rates are so low and its all due to the canadian democracy..(not saying its perfect, but its the best out there)....and if u have taken any history, u know the fore-fathers of the canadian government were all greatly devoted men who were followers of christ...all doing things that reflect christs passion and love for his people....

ok, so anyways mr straight toxic and whomever is reading this, im not here to give my 2cents.....im just here to say the truth and give hope to my self and others when i/we feel hopeless.......im not a person who drinks, does drugs nor do unlawful deeds when im feeling confused and depressed.....im a guy who prays, asks his mom and dad for help, and looks for the face of God in everything and anything that is around me.......i keep my opinions simple because theres no need to over explain the truth

i hope that one day u can develop a relationship with Christ and realize that all problems in life are not really problems when u find Christ.........ever watch the movie 'It's a Wonderful Life' by Frank Capra....it's an oldie from the 40's, but gosh darnit its great and shows u what life is all about......

anyhow,

merry christmas

any other great movies people recommend?

It's either Ned Flanders or born-again Stuart Smalley.

really? tell us more

Turner & Hooch
The Crush
Seven
Hudson Hawk
American Movie
Liar, Liar
Amistad
Disclosure
Sgt. Bilko

For an engineering genius, I am surprised at your inability to grasp this simple mathematical concept: if your IQ measures in the 99.4 percentile, then it is not "much greater" than someone whose IQ measures in the 99.3 percentile.

But perhaps this boasting was more an expression of your emotional insecurities than your intellectual prowess.

Merry Christmas!

And there, in a nutshell, we have Rom's Christmas message for us all. May he do a little better next year. Amen.

im sorry if it seems unfair, but how do u think i feel when i cant hear merry christmas in the malls anymore......now its all happy holidays and flippin seasons greetings....

I don't understand. If you think non-Christians should not find it irritating when you wish them a "Merry Christmas", why do you feel offended when someone wishes you a "Happy holidays"? This makes no sense.

Is a wish for your happiness an insult where you come from? Is a cordial greeting a grievous sin? If they are not, then what is the source of your offense? Perhaps with all your brain power you should neditate on this for a time until you can make sense of it for me.

As far as I can tell, he seems to be objecting to not being allowed to dictate how other people should celebrate things; which is hardly a democratic sentiment.

Rom, quit trying to save my soul by force or I'll kick you in the fucking nuts.

Osama's Homo-bortion Pot & Commie Jizzporium.

This is a fun exercise! Please explain me:

a) Nazi Germany
b) Tsarist Russia
c) ancien regime France
d) etc etc etc blah blah blah

oh yeah. Their Day-Before-Christmas sales are always Teh Suck.

anyhow, the only reason why i came on this site and why my intial entry contains signs of anger is because prior to that entry, i just came back from the mall and while i was there, i was in a store (american eagle) and as i was paying for my purchase, i said thank you and merry christmas, and when the girl wanted to say merry christmas back(seeing that she was wearing a cross), she hesitated and said 'merry holidays' confused whether or not her manager that was standing next to her was gonna get mad if she didnt follow company policy and say 'merry christmas'.....thats what got me pissed, and as soon as i got home, i googled 'fucking secularism' and this page was in the search result.....so there you go......thast why i was pissed off and i hope no one quotes me cause quoting me would just prove that you have no argument of ur own, just a reaction to what i say, and if u dont have anything original to say, then dont re-iterate what i did, and no, i wont explain what i write in my comments, i stated above before that i am so-called condescentarianism ...whatever

anyways, merry christmas and i hope you all see the light of christ

and just for the record, to whomever wants to 'kick me in the nut', go ahead........i can practice my football and rugby skills on you considering its the off season and i havent channeled my physically strength on anyone yet for a while ;), besides my girlfriend :)

cheers all and merry christmas.....and like i said, bring on the 'yangs'

-rom

Looking forward to next Christmas, when they shall be taken to the Colosseum and made to fight lions for the amusement of fucking secularists.

But big ups this year to rugby-playin', laid-gettin', Canadian Christian geniuses everywhere. Have you mentioned how rich you are yet?

Merry Christmas e'eybody

not to mention their never-really-all-that-well-hidden anti-semitism.

Yes. Christians are certainly oppressed in North America, Rom. They are brutally forced to say pleasant and happy things to customers, even if their secret desire is to be pleasant in another, slightly different way.

all i have to say is that your stupid 'quoting' ability is hypocrysy

So you say. But why? How did we distort your implicit message of good cheer, which absolutely included calling us all fucking retards and telling us about our presumed shortcomings? I'd really like to know more about this hypocrisy you found.

But, please, wait until later. Have a merry christmas first, then there will be time enough afterward for explanations.

im sorry to all those who got offended by me saying 'fucking retards' i didnt know i was dealing with very sensitive people who are not able to see past that, but im sorry anyhow and like christ taught his people, i hope u can all forgive me for saying suck foul stuff.......but then again, i did explain that and because 'Aimless' QUOTED this, i must explain further :)

but my house is full of people and family who are all here to celebrate christmas and to celebrate what we have, each other in christ.

merry christmas and i await for 'yangs'

bytw, 'Aimless' why do ur comments coinside with your such a name 'Aimless'?

eh?!?

I myself dont care, but atleast someone on this site knows what he is talking about

bytw, who is ali g? and what is mensa, sounds interesting

carl

mensa.org will explain to you what exactly mensa is

and i too dont know who ali g is, im glad i sound like him, must be a cool guy.....lol

-rom

happy new year, everybody!

it's not gonna change my christ!!!! Delightful :D