C or D: Calling people from the USA "Americans"

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I have been noticing this come up with some frequency lately : usually it's Europeans of a lefty bent who seem to object to this. It just seems dumb/knee-jerk anti-americanism to me, but I'm willing to hear the other side. I mean, America is short for United States of.... It's not like Americans feel that no other country in our hemisphere has the right to exist or matters(ok, insert joke here if you must)What are we supposed to be called, United Staters? Please enlighten me why this sucks....

thomas totten, Monday, 20 March 2006 02:59 (twenty years ago)

YANQUI GO JOME!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:03 (twenty years ago)

Or put another way, just don't call me late for dinner!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:04 (twenty years ago)

who else would want to be called americans?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:12 (twenty years ago)

(Some) Canadians go batshit over this -- they feel that the use of the term "American" either writes them off the map, or implies that Canada is the same as the US, culturally and/or politically. I usuallly correct myself now if I use "American" around them. Never heard a European raise the issue.

Mitya (mitya), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:18 (twenty years ago)

this is really important

ath (ath), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:25 (twenty years ago)

I usuallly correct myself now if I use "American" around them.

Are you fucking kidding me?

gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:34 (twenty years ago)

you need to stop hanging with batshit Canadians, btw

gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:36 (twenty years ago)

mmmm... 64 slices of united stater cheese...

adam (adam), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:54 (twenty years ago)

some background to prove I didn't make this shit up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_the_word_American

thomas totten, Monday, 20 March 2006 04:01 (twenty years ago)

Calling the U.S. "America" and its citizens "Americans" is akin to calling the E.U.M. (Estados Unidos de Mexico) "Mexico" and its citizens "Mexicans" -- it's a shortened term that is derived from the full original name, because said original name is a bit unwieldy and would cause a great deal of trouble if every bit of it is used. I think people would have a much greater reason for being huffy if we Americans insisted on being called "North Americans" as a reference for our citizenhood, because that would be the name for any member of the North American continent. You have to recall that there is no continent simply called "America" -- it's North America, Central America, and South America. "Americans" would be the citizens of the United States Of America. "North Americans" would be the citizens of any of the three countries that comprise North America (Canada, the U.S., and Mexico). You can call Costa Ricans and Salvadorians "Central Americans" and so on. There is no general America as a continent, and to imply that there would be Canadians who would take offense at that would mean a superiority complex in the minds of certain North Americans (because they'd be assuming "America" = the continent of North America).

See Me, Repeat Me (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 20 March 2006 04:06 (twenty years ago)

Dee sneaks back onto ILX to post exactly what I was going to say. Thanks for saving me the typing!

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 20 March 2006 04:53 (twenty years ago)

i prefer ro be called a united statesman

latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Monday, 20 March 2006 05:34 (twenty years ago)

I like "Vespuccino". But the best one is clearly "Colonican".

Masked Gazza, Monday, 20 March 2006 05:56 (twenty years ago)

My wife(who's central American) blindsided me with this shortly after we met, I had no idea other countries took umbrage to the usage of 'American', as far as I can tell it's seen as trying to symbolically appropriate the entire continent(not continent(s)!! but that's another argument), which is not how any U.S. citizen I've ever known conceives of it if we conceive of it at all, outside of James Monroe or something. The irony is that if the actual U.S. uberpatriot chauvinist contingent knew our brown neighbors consider themselves 'American' too, they'd scramble to find new language to describe 'us' and everyone would be happy.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 20 March 2006 05:57 (twenty years ago)

actually, scratch what i just said. i think i prefer "Awesomerican"

latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Monday, 20 March 2006 05:57 (twenty years ago)

i think we should throw off the shackles of our slave european name. maybe the united states of x would work.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 March 2006 06:25 (twenty years ago)

For the record, I don't actually take issue with this myself. Not only do I say "Americans" but I've even started referring to the US as "America" since moving here. Also, I'm slightly tipsy so I don't know how much sense this will make. But just to give the case:

(because they'd be assuming "America" = the continent of North America)

I don't think this is the assumption. Even if there's no 'official' continent of America (didn't think there was one of "Central America" either although I know it's a common term for the area), it's reasonably clear that there's a landmass (+ associated islands) of the Americas (a term people use all the time). So what would be the general term for someone from the Americas? Even the terms "North America" and "South America" seem to clearly imply that they're the northern and southern portions of a general landmass of America. (It's not the same thing with "Mexico". And if someone were to talk of "North Mexico", you'd be sure they were talking about a part of the larger Mexico itself.) The basic problem is that the country named itself with the name from which the continents derive their names.

Sundar (sundar), Monday, 20 March 2006 06:47 (twenty years ago)

(Although I guess if someone talked about New Mexico, they wouldn't be talking about Mexico anymore.)

But yeah, I don't know what you'd call people from the US otherwise. What do these batshit Canadians say? "People from the United States"?

Sundar (sundar), Monday, 20 March 2006 06:49 (twenty years ago)

"Yankees"?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 March 2006 06:55 (twenty years ago)

ppl in the south do not like being called Yankee

gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 March 2006 06:56 (twenty years ago)

My beloved high school history teacher called us all You Essers. I like it.

Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 20 March 2006 06:58 (twenty years ago)

female americans are called Miss America

latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Monday, 20 March 2006 07:10 (twenty years ago)

Seppo. The correct term is Seppo.

ty, Monday, 20 March 2006 08:30 (twenty years ago)

They have the an adjectival form in Spanish "estadounidense" but I have never heard anyone actually say it, I've just seen it written. I've never said it and I'm not sure I could on the first attempt.

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 20 March 2006 09:11 (twenty years ago)

As a citizen of your previous colonial masters, I believe the correct term for US citizens is "Seperatist Traitors" ;)

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Monday, 20 March 2006 11:16 (twenty years ago)

this is fucking ridiculous.

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:51 (twenty years ago)

They have the an adjectival form in Spanish "estadounidense

I was going to suggest Etatsunisians, but it was a joke!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Bah. I insist that anyone who objects to calling Americans "Americans" must be familiar with the names of all 50 US states, make the effort to learn from which which state each American they meet is from, then refer to them with the appropriate moniker: Texan, Ohioan, Massachusettsian, Rhode Islander, Michigander, Wisconsinite, etc.

phil d. (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:07 (twenty years ago)

I think you mean Texadian, Ohiote, Massachusetteur, Rhodish Island, Michigoose, Wisconsinner, etc.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)

The average state in the United States is more relevant than the average country in Europe.

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Of course, that fact is due entirely to the skew of New York, Texas and California (and the other bigguns).

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:13 (twenty years ago)

i heard that every state you know is more relevant than every country i know.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

relevant to what?

RJG (RJG), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

relevant!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to start using "Michigoose" in conversation.

phil d. (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:18 (twenty years ago)

i like 'Awesomerican'. with 'Dumerican' for the ones who suck.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:19 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to start using "Michigoose" in conversation.

Even *i* don't go that far, and I can be a little precious about Michigan!

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

votta mishigas

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:25 (twenty years ago)

it's like calling ILE ILX

ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Frank Lloyd Wright (who says it's from Samuel Butler) came up with "Usonian" as an alternative to the generic "American". It's supposed to be U-nited S-tates O-f North A-merica. Tho, I don't know where that "I" is supposed to come from. I even named my band "Usonia". Here's other names:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_words_for_American

anyway. that's all. see you all again in a few months.

django (django), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)

relevant to what?
-- RJG (RJ...) (webmail), March 20th, 2006 9:16 AM. (RJG) (later) (link)

NO SURFJAN, NO CRED DUDE!!!!

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)

http://www.rbnlive.com/images/sirhan.gif

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Usonian woman, said get away!
Usonian woman, listen what I say!
Don’t come hangin’ around my door
Don’t wanna see your face no more
I don’t need your war machines
I don’t need your ghetto scenes
Coloured lights can hypnotize
Sparkle someone else’s eyes
Now woman, get away from me
Usonian woman, mama let me be!

Nemo (JND), Thursday, 23 March 2006 12:53 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

unistatican

gershy, Monday, 20 August 2007 04:49 (eighteen years ago)

I got called out on calling myself an American while I was living in China, a few different times. Eventually I started saying I was from the United States, or "the States". What a giant, unnecessary pain in the ass.

Z S, Monday, 20 August 2007 04:59 (eighteen years ago)

I'm moving in with an "American" chick. From Kansas.

W4LTER, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:02 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.superseventies.com/sw_wereanamericanband.gif

gershy, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:04 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder how many US southeners come here and are affronted by getting called Yanks all the time?

Trayce, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:07 (eighteen years ago)

Well this girl's pretty much assimilated. She's really into "Aussie cultcha" etc (i don't know why).
She's been living here for a couple of years now.

W4LTER, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:14 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder how many US southeners come here and are affronted by getting called Yanks all the time?

-- Trayce, Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:07 PM (9 minutes ago)

lol, i always laff at "brits" having a shit-fit when some "american" says british when they mean english. same brits who constantly misuse the word "yank" from an american perspective. i mean yank means different things depending on where you are in america. as a new yorker, yank means new englander.

gershy, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:21 (eighteen years ago)

Here Yank is a generic term for american. Older slang admittedly but I bet dollars to donuts most of those who'd use it have no idea of its real meaning and thus potential offence!

Trayce, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:25 (eighteen years ago)

And lets not even start on "septics" ;P

Trayce, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:25 (eighteen years ago)

lol, i always laff at "brits" having a shit-fit when some "american" says british when they mean english. same brits who constantly misuse the word "yank" from an american perspective. i mean yank means different things depending on where you are in america. as a new yorker, yank means new englander.

-- gershy, Monday, August 20, 2007 5:21 AM (4 minutes ago)

Britisher is still acceptable though, right?

John Justen, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:27 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, and brit is generic for someone from the uk (here). (cue another thing/think coming controversy)

xpost - or limey fuckwit

gershy, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:30 (eighteen years ago)

THREAD HIJACK: what are some slurs to call americans?

luriqua, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:38 (eighteen years ago)

o sry it already evolved to that. grand!

luriqua, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:39 (eighteen years ago)

jokes, bruv

gershy, Monday, 20 August 2007 05:47 (eighteen years ago)

If "American" is good enough for Mel Schacher, it's good enough for me.

Bill Magill, Monday, 20 August 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

WTF, people in China have no business getting weird about this, since they're in the same position -- the term "China" didn't historically refer to a political entity! You can start saying you're from the United States when they start saying they're from the People's Republic.

nabisco, Monday, 20 August 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

I learned about this from a Spanish teacher and it's always annoyed me. It's not as though Mexicans or Bolivians or Brazilians are calling themselves Americans in day to day usage and we're usurping their name -- not as far as I know anyway. I guess it's an unreasonable expression of a somewhat justified resentment though.

Hurting 2, Monday, 20 August 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

i always laff at "brits" having a shit-fit when some "american" says british when they mean english

does this happen? I've only seen it the other way around, shit-fits about Usonians saying England (or London) when they mean Britain.

Merdeyeux, Monday, 20 August 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, only that way.

nabisco, Monday, 20 August 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

Except I think you can trust that most anyone who says "London" means the city, and the 0.0001% of people moronic enough to confuse "London" and "The United Kingdom" are probably not saying anything you need to be listening to anyway.

nabisco, Monday, 20 August 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

I've never come across anyone from England who has a problem with saying 'American' for someone from the USA, but I've met several people from South America who got really pissed off about it.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Monday, 20 August 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

go back to cathay

ACK!

hstencil, Monday, 20 August 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

http://dfarecords.com/myspace/dfa/nascumsmall.jpg

mookieproof, Monday, 20 August 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

"....but I've met several people from South America who got really pissed off about it."

Some people have to really get a life.

Bill Magill, Monday, 20 August 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's just one of those commonplaces for south Americans to get huffy about, and we can probably afford to let them have it. (I'd also guess the reason it's more of an issue for them than us is that there are cultural and linguistic reasons they would quite often talk about "Latin America," or about "the Americas" as a whole, which we are all isolate and weird and never do.)

You can always be a dick, and if someone from, like, Peru or Chile says you're from the "United States," you can ask them how things are going back home in the "Republic."

nabisco, Monday, 20 August 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

"I wonder how many US southeners come here and are affronted by getting called Yanks all the time?"

I just figure you're talking about someone else.

Dickerson Pike, Monday, 20 August 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

I was surprised to learn 'gringo' referred to everybody from the U.S.
"b-b-but I'm black!"

tremendoid, Monday, 20 August 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

I say "U.S.er" for to refer to me.

An insult for Americans could be "slovenly, obese cunt."

Abbott, Monday, 20 August 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

An insult for anyone really.

Abbott, Monday, 20 August 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder how many US southeners come here and are affronted by getting called Yanks all the time?

They only got to do it once, Trayce.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 20 August 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

what else are Americans to be called?

thread is baffling

gff, Monday, 20 August 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

stupidest thread ever

latebloomer, Monday, 20 August 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)


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