so is the Wash.Post saying Bush was drunk at his press conference?

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Sorry to paste the whole thing, but there's quite an accretion of hints here, starting with "punchy." (Or maybe he's just moved on to MDMA.) I only saw and heard clips; feel free to speculate if you saw it all. Is it common Beltway knowledge that W ain't sober?


A Punchy President Meets the Press

By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, March 22, 2006; A02

President Bush had a senior moment midway through his news conference yesterday. Referring to an earlier question from the Los Angeles Times' Jim Gerstenzang, who has covered much of Bush's presidency, Bush looked at the veteran correspondent -- and forgot his name.

"Back, to, uh, this man's question right here," he said, and then he looked down at his seating chart for a refresher before adding: "This man being Jim."

"Sorry, Jim," the president said after everybody had a chuckle at his expense. "I got a lot on my mind these days."

That he does. Bush's presidency is in trouble, his approval ratings are in the 30s, Iraq is approaching civil war, and congressional Republicans are in open rebellion. But Bush has maintained his equanimity. He may be a lame duck, but he seems to be enjoying his swim.

He identified Terry Hunt, the Associated Press's veteran White House correspondent, as the generic "AP Person." He accused New York Times correspondent Elisabeth Bumiller of sleeping through his speech Monday in Cleveland. After USA Today's David Jackson interrupted a Bush non-answer, the president queried: "Now, what is your follow-up yell?"

And he made a show of reading from his stage directions. Rambling his way through a question about interest rates, Bush paused to confess, "I'm kind of stalling for time here." Checking his seating chart before calling on a questioner, he confided, "They've told me what to say." After announcing that "there's going to be a P-5," the president translated his own jargon: "That's diplomatic sloganeering."

Whether it's the strain of the office, the weight of international crises, or simply his old Delta Kappa Epsilon roots showing, Bush has been President Punchy of late. In Cleveland on Monday, he said there were 16 U.N. Security Council resolutions about Iraq, then called on an unsuspecting Dick Keil, a Bloomberg News reporter. "I think 16 -- is that right, Stretch, 16?" Bush inquired, using the nickname he assigned Keil. "I like to, like, reverse roles sometimes," the president explained.

When an audience member prefaced a question by saying, "I'm 100 percent behind your fight against terrorism," Bush interrupted: "Why don't you just leave it at that." And he was suspicious of a man who introduced himself as Jose Feliciano, by chance the name of the blind singer and guitarist.

"No," the president challenged.

"Yes," the other Feliciano maintained.

"It's like the time I called a guy and said, 'Hey, this is George Bush calling.' He said, 'Come on, quit kidding me, man.' " For yesterday's session, called with 90 minutes' notice, Bush had a surprise: He ended his long boycott of questions from Helen Thomas, the venerable UPI correspondent-turned-anti-Bush columnist for Hearst Newspapers. He began by invoking her performance at a Gridiron Club dinner in which she played Hillary Clinton singing about her presidential ambitions.

"Helen, after that brilliant performance at the Gridiron, I am --"

"You're going to be sorry," Thomas warned.

"Well, then, let me take it back."

It was too late. Thomas hectored him with a question about how "every reason given" for the Iraq war was wrong, then repeatedly interrupted his answers to argue.

"I kind of semi-regretted it," Bush said after the ordeal-by-Helen. He reaffirmed that her musical performance was "just brilliant," then offered that Reuters correspondent Steve Holland's performance in the same show "was a little weak."

Bush's jests apparently did nothing to reduce the antagonism in the questions, but the president did succeed at entertaining his tormentors, and himself.

NBC's Kelly O'Donnell weighed in with a question about whether it's time to make some changes on his staff, which appears "tired and even tone-deaf." This prompted the networks to go to cutaway shots of Bush aides Dan Bartlett, Karl Rove, Scott McClellan and Steve Hadley, squeezed into small chairs along one wall, looking miserable. "Wait a minute," Bush interrupted cheerfully, "is this a personal attack launching over here?"

Asked about his lost "political capital" by Gerstenzang, Bush replied that he had just listed a series of accomplishments, offering, "I'd be glad to repeat them if you like." Bumiller waved her hand to indicate such a recitation would be unnecessary. "Please," Bush responded, "no hand gestures."

Bush took his revenge moments later, when, explaining his immigration policy, he asserted that "Elisabeth was half asleep" for his speech on Monday. When she protested, he insisted: "Well, the person next to you was. They were dozing off. I could see them watching their watches, kind of wondering how long he's going to blow on for. 'Let's get him out of here so we can go get lunch' is what they were thinking."

Perhaps. Or perhaps Bush was projecting. Seconds later, when he had finished his answer to the question, he added: "Listen, thank you for your time. I've got lunch with the president of Liberia right now." It was not yet 11 a.m.

© 2006 The Washington Post Company


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

I (unfortunately) saw that press conference. He didn't strike me as drunk. Just normal dumb Bush trying to play like everything's cool by being a jokester.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

i remember reading an interview with a white house chef and he mentioned bush's favorite alcoholic drink and i thought that was strange cuz i didn't think he drank at all. but apparently he does.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Aren't ex-alcoholics not supposed to drink, like, at all?

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

older

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/16/10210/4501

and new and highly reliable

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/63426

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Aren't ex-alcoholics not supposed to drink, like, at all?

If they've gone the AA route, sure. There are other programs in which neither the disease model nor the AA model are really used and teach people how to manage alcohol intake. With all the potential True Scotsman caveats that that implies, etc.

phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

I don't think drinking could really make him less competent than he is already.

My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

Bush never did the AA route.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

That's right, didn't he spontaneously "quit" after his conversion?

phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)

God has obviously told him it's OK to get sloshed again

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Performance: His best ever. He spoke not only correctly, but well.
GRADE: A-

Script: Mendacious when not illogical. He actually said, "No president wants war."
GRADE: D

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)

I was just sittin' in the bathtub, and allasudden, God changed the bathwater into bathwine. I took it as a sign.

Bush-L (Huk-L), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)

"Jesus told me soooo!"

x-post

My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)

i wish i could remember where i read that interview. i think it might have been in the new york times magazine. i don't remember if it was the chef who got fired though. if it was, maybe he was trying to make trouble. part of me wants to say that the drink was a 7 & 7, but my memory is bad. and i do know that they always mention that bush is drinking 7-up in news reports, so maybe that's why i'm thinking of it. i DO remember thinking that people were gonna make a big deal out of the interview, but nobody did.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)

"Jesus told me soooo!"

So where's the scene where Cheney puts Scooter in a headlock & rams his head through a cabinet door in the Roosevelt Room?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Bush's "boyish" jokester charm -- especially its projection of confidence and ease -- work really well for him so long as people already agree with what he has to say: he seems assured, and he can make it seem like he's more interested in some higher practical value than niggling words and criticism, which is precisely what you want from a guy you already agree with.

As soon as you don't agree with him, though, every one of those things becomes irritating as fuck: he starts to seem like a stubborn, cocky asshole with some kind of weird God complex, and his joking starts to seem like outright contempt for the rest of the world, a sign that he either doesn't understand or just doesn't give a shit about questions or alternative points of view.

I assume that as his approval sinks, more and more of the people who originally found him likeable will start to see exactly why he was so infuriating to liberals -- not just his ideas, but his actual manner and character. He is, on some level, a dumb stubborn devil-may-care jerk, which is the kind of personality that's great to have on your side and infuriating to have opposing you.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

I would love to see a clip of that Jose Feliciano encounter.

"No!"
"Yes, Mr. President."
"GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE! Are you serious?"

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)

The funny part is that, well, I'm guessing most of us would love to see someone take that tone with groups we don't like. But Bush doesn't just take that tone with specific opposing points of view -- he takes it with the entire idea that people would have opposing points of view, or even questions. His manner seems to suggest that he became president and then was shocked -- truly shocked! -- to find all these people running around second-guessing his judgment.

Nothing will ever beat his 2004 debates tone, the whole whiny schtick: "This is really hard! Stop yelling at me! You don't understand, it's really hard!"

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the whole "hard work" mantra that he's complained for the last two years...

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:52 (twenty years ago)

how do you think conservatives viewed Clinton by and large? "Feeling your pain", "I have worked so hard for this country," "it depends on what the meaning of is is", et al.

I think the level of narcissism required to be president is fairly fucking high.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

how do you think conservatives viewed Clinton by and large?

"Slick Willy," if my father was in any way representative.

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:57 (twenty years ago)

David Thomson said something to the effect that it took Ronald Reagan's election (and re-election) to demonstrate the essential fradulence of the modern presidency.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Clinton was very different: his manner appeared (to friends an enemies alike) as slick and unctuous, maybe even pandering. Overly seductive -- the rhetorical/political equivalent of Tim Meadows' "Ladies' Man." These things can enrage opponents, because they erode any faith that the person actually means anything being said -- everything becomes a rhetorical game -- but that's at least in line with behavior we traditionally expect from politicans.

It's also the exact opposite of Bush, who is anything but unctuous and pandering! He comes off like he views his critics as bizarre alien gnats! And instead of getting all Nixon-style paranoid about it, he seems to find it funny! He talks to reporters in the way that Americans patronize awkward immigrants and small fuzzy animals! He's definitely the anti-Clinton in his "straight shooting" rhetoric, and that was definitely a lot of what people seemed to love about him through the first term -- the same kinds of mannerisms that made liberals conclude he was dumb made conservatives conclude he was no-nonsense.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

He comes off like he views his critics as bizarre alien gnats! And instead of getting all Nixon-style paranoid about it, he seems to find it funny! He talks to reporters in the way that Americans patronize awkward immigrants and small fuzzy animals!

OTM.

Regarding Nixon, I'm amazed that American voters - who these days prefer their presidents unctuous or no-nonsense – sent twice to the White House a man who oozed cynicism from every pore. He couldn't hide his hypocrisy. I've read polls conducted at the time in which participants acknowledged Nixon's "unlikeability," which had nothing to do with his popularity. It's like voters squeezed every bit of cebum, mung, and sweat from their system and had them reconfigured as Richard Milhouse Nixon.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

As a non-American, give me Nixon over Reagan and both Bushes any day of the week

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)

"I think 16 -- is that right, Stretch, 16?" Bush inquired, using the nickname he assigned Keil. "I like to, like, reverse roles sometimes," the president explained.

gear (gear), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Nixon wasn't a bad speaker - not even in the same league of feebishness as Bush - and television - the kind of thinking encouraged by television - was less omnipresent then, which may have something to do with the utter nonexistence of today's reality-TV-style "would you like to sit and have a beer with him" criterion of leadership

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

W's shit-eating grin in media situations always remind me of the "major asshole from the NY Times" quip that campaign mike picked up, or the "Who cares what you think?" line he gave some lib advocate.

gear, I missed that one; now I'm going to have bad W-roleplay dreams.

Nixon being an undisguised SOB didn't matter cuz his supporters feared the hippies and Black Power more.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:08 (twenty years ago)

"W's shit-eating grin" . . . right on. Part of Bush's appeal to his "base," I think, is that they envy him his rich kid insouciance. That's one of the things that infuriates me about earnest, hard working, but really nerdy conservatives I know. I'm like, can't you see, you're voting for the spoiled jock who made your life hell in high school! Whom I'm starting to think, despite protests to the contrary, they secretly wanted to be.

he war, Friday, 24 March 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

The now-defunct mired.com linked to a home video waaaay back in the day showing Bush at someone's wedding, obviously *very* drunk, supposedly a few years after his conversion. Not seen hide nor hair of the thing since.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Ah, nevermind, it's in the fine hands of thesmokinggun.com.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:54 (twenty years ago)

(An, nevermind...not that obviously drunk.)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:58 (twenty years ago)

As a non-American, give me Nixon over Reagan and both Bushes any day of the week

over W, yes, but I don't know about over Reagan or Bush I.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 26 March 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Nixon being an undisguised SOB didn't matter cuz his supporters feared the hippies and Black Power more.

"he may be a shifty sweaty SOB but he's our shifty sweaty SOB"

substitute hate for fear though, the powers that be viewed the hippies more as an irritant than threat. Black Power = diff story.

otherwise, even though GWB is an arrogant SOB IMO, this article reeks of jounalists' self-importance. "he didn't remember my name so he must be fucked up." I'd guess that Bush drinx some vintage cocktails like Tequila Sunrises and Harvey Wallbanger. "Hey Laura, 'member that night ol Sonny Boy slipped you a quaalude..."

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 26 March 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Oh, Bush is totally off the wagon. That article? "OMG OMG OMG the President is a drunk! Oh shit! WTF do we do now?"

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 27 March 2006 04:56 (twenty years ago)

nixon got in the 1st time b/c of vietnam, pure and simple. the 2d time -- a combination of incumbency, the southern strategy, and a democratic candidate that old-line new dealers could not stomach AT ALL (google "boston busing" and "frank rizzo").

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:12 (twenty years ago)

i've always thought nixon's pretty obvious unlikeability has - in a perverse way - a lot to do with this impulse a lot of people have to defend him. "he wasn't so bad!" "other presidents did worse stuff!" etc etc. the republican presidents who came after him (well, maybe not ford) oozed confidence or (in the case of bush sr) at least attitude, but nixon always looked so unhappy, like he was all too aware of how stiff and insincere he was.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:43 (twenty years ago)

Liberals in thinking AA is the only way for alcoholics shocker. It's a near-cult that's about as effective as any other supportive group of people, guys. Kind of kills Obama's analogy considering it shows that there are multiple ways...

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

yes when will liberals shut up about AA

++++, Monday, 3 April 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

hahaha

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:36 (twenty years ago)

13. Thou shalt not drink fermented mare's milk in Mongolia.

Bush drinks fermented milk

With temperatures in the teens, Bush entered the first of the wood-and-felt tent-like homes, made warm by a wood-burning stove, that are a staple of Mongolian living.

He drank fermented mare's milk - sometimes likened to a mix of warm beer and buttermilk - sipped tea and nibbled cheese curd, a White House official said. Reporters were kept waiting outside and could not watch the president themselves.

andy --, Monday, 3 April 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)


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