Vehicle Reversing Alarms - c/d?

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We live about 3/4 of a mile away from a recycling plant and about a mile a way from a major buiding site and all day long we can hear the 'beep beep' (fckng) 'beep' of these things. It must be hell for the people living adjacent to these places. It's petty I know but it's really starting to get to me.

Is there any proof that lives have been saved by vehicle reversing alarms? Or what?

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Saturday, 25 March 2006 23:18 (twenty years ago)

It must be a really comforting thought for the blind: they can be run over by all kinds of reversing vehicles except trucks.

StanM (StanM), Saturday, 25 March 2006 23:25 (twenty years ago)

But what about deaf people? Who's going to warn them?

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Saturday, 25 March 2006 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Don't trucks have white reversing lights in the UK?

StanM (StanM), Saturday, 25 March 2006 23:33 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but they don't help if you're deaf and looking the other way. Some trucks (like refuse ones) have flashing lights (and beep beep beep noises).

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Saturday, 25 March 2006 23:36 (twenty years ago)

True, about that looking the other way thing. At any rate, the beeps are WAY too loud, I agree. Why beeps at all? Trucks have the loudest engines anyway...

StanM (StanM), Saturday, 25 March 2006 23:38 (twenty years ago)

They're actually a classic if you happen to be the person working behind heavy equipment at a construction site as it starts to back up. The alarms are as loud as they are and beep because that's noticeable through the other noise (also noticeable through the hearing protection we have to wear). My neck and those of several co-workers have been saved multiple times by them. Sorry it annoys you.

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 26 March 2006 00:35 (twenty years ago)

But aren't more kids killed by reversing cars? Why shouldn't they have alarms? Where does it end?

I appreciate that you don't want to be killed but I just wonder if there are not other (perhaps more effective ways) at preventing that? After a while don't you just get blase about the beeping noise as well?

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Sunday, 26 March 2006 00:47 (twenty years ago)

Honestly, no. Not when it means a bulldozer where the driver can't see you is backing up into your current personal space. At a construction site, you are responsible for your own safety. Work has to get done and heavy equipment is dangerous. If you want to be stupid, it's just a little chlorine for the gene pool. People old enough to drive cars are old enough to be responsible about walking behind them first before backing up. These aren't comparable situations.

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 26 March 2006 05:41 (twenty years ago)

This doesn't make sense though. Why shouldn't the drivers on a construction site be as responsible for where they're going as a driver backing out of their drive? This suggests that because they're got their reversing beeps they just use them instead of being responsible.

And it is comparable because what I'm saying is that there is enough noise in the world without it being added to and the logical next stop is every car fitted with a beeper. In fact, beepers on cards seem to make more sense then beepers on trucks in this instance. Just a brief look on the news sees loads of kids run over by backing up vehicles.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Sunday, 26 March 2006 06:29 (twenty years ago)

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zaKmQtvwYq, Sunday, 26 March 2006 13:39 (twenty years ago)

The situations are not comparable. On a construction site, you have a fixed population of adults who are all aware of the risk and danger and are also aware of the meaning of the warning signals as well as provided with the equipment required (generally by law) to protect against hazards. Operators of heavy equipment are responsible for operating such in a safe manner, but individuals are responsible for removing themselves from dangerous situations when they arise. Conditions can change rapidly on a job site and operators have to react. And, it is dangerous for an operator to leave a piece of heavy equipment running while performing a walk-around and expensive and inefficient for heavy equipment to be shut down and restarted every time a reversal is required.

In the wider world, this is not the case.

I believe if you took a look at actual statistics, you would find an equal or larger number of children have been injured and/or killed by vehicles moving forward. Also, at what age is a child capable of 1) interpreting he is in danger when he hears a beeping, 2) judging what position is safe to move to, and 3) accomplishing both 1 & 2 quickly enough to get to a position of safety?

As a different solution to the problem of the wider world, the company my husband works for (the US post office) directs its employees to not back up when on company business.

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 26 March 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

btw, there are many many after-marketcamera systems available for cars.

And, in the US at least, OSHA allows for a "signal person" to stand on the ground and monitor the rear of heavy equipment, signalling the operator when it is safe to reverse and also to warn approaching pedestrians of danger, as an alternative to the beep.

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 26 March 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

In Britain they say "This veee-ickle is re-VER-sing!" with flashing light displays. At 2am. Underneath my window as they back down our street.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 26 March 2006 20:12 (twenty years ago)

Jaq, doesn't the fact there are loads of other ways to avoid backing over people suggest that the noise issue is a real one? I know the not-killing-people one is too and I totally agree that workers should be protected - I worked at a warehouse once where the truck drivers (and these were big trucks) thought it hilarious to back up to the loading bays as fast as possible and if they hit anyoen - well that was their look-out. Over here in the UK a lot of trucks are getting fitted with some kind of directional warning beepers which are supposedly better for people standing behind heavy plant and for the yards neighbours.

When I posted this I had been out in the front of my house listening to this beeping coming from three directions for about an hour and it was totally doing my head in!
I didn't mean to say that my annoyance should lead to your (or anyones) demise!

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Or rather the solution to my annoyance...

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:05 (twenty years ago)

i used to live next door to a 24/6 (sunday off) recycling plant. hellish.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:08 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I don't mind the beeps so much, but incessant "Security vehicle re-VER-sing! Security vehicle re-VER-sing! Security vehicle re-VER-sing! " can be err... vexing.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:09 (twenty years ago)

Ned, there are only two legal ways available in the US for construction sites: the beeping reverse alarm, and having a signal person constantly checking behind the equipment. Using a signal person isn't generally done because it puts that individual in danger, and the equipment is typically so wide a single person can't spot for the entire danger zone.

What I'm saying is that it doesn't make much sense for vehicles out in the wider world of standard neighborhoods and pedestrian traffic to have reverse alarms. Young children are not "protected" by them, neither, as you noted, are the deaf. The onus is on the driver of the vehicle to make damn sure he/she doesn't back over anyone.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:40 (twenty years ago)

Just a brief look on the news sees loads of kids run over by backing up vehicles.

Really?

phil d. (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 02:07 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was hunting down some stats on this for the US, as there has been one child backed over in my region (pop. approx. 60k) in the past 3 years. The most detail I could find was that there are on average fewer than 375 child (under the age of 14) pedestrian deaths per year in the US, but no further detail on what percentage was backed over vs. struck by a forward running vehicle.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 02:26 (twenty years ago)

My advice to the original poster is to either get over it or move.

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 02:29 (twenty years ago)

I like the contrast between the chirpy robot lady's "attention: vehicle reversing" acoustic signal (this is the technical term, fact fans, as I found out during the technical translation years) and the driver's miserable facial expression.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 06:24 (twenty years ago)

Or that it's a very posh "vehicle" driven by some trog who cannot string a sentence together. I can never see the driver's expression at night, but during the day your average reversing driver aapears to be caught in the act of...curling one out.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 06:34 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for that Andrew. Oh, if only it were that simple. Unfortunately, unless I move to the outer hebrides I don't think i can avoid them. Also 'getting over it' isn't that easy. If you've never been bothered by external noise then you're lucky and should be thankful. I am not one of those people. And neither am I alone. Look on any of the anti-noise sites.

Luckily for me I don't actually live that near to a permanant site. I can hear the recycling plant but it's not too bad because 1) they've started to use these directional beepers 2) they've built baffles around the site and 3) a lot depends on wind direction. At the moment I'm being bothered by two building sites although obviously they are (relatively) short term.

I feel most sorry for the people who live next to the recycling plant. This is mostly social housing i.e. these are people who cannot afford to move. It is no surprise either, of course, that the plant has been postioned next to one of the poorest parts of the city. If these things were in "nice" residential areas they'd be hell to pay. Accept of course they would never be built there, ever.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 07:00 (twenty years ago)

The reason you couldn't find that many stats is that (according to kidsandcars.org (I know nothing about them so I can;r vouch for their veracity) "Currently no federal or state agency is collecting information related to deaths and injuries that occur as non-traffic incidents on private property.".
But they have a pie chart.
There are some more stats here...
http://www4.tpgi.com.au/mpaine/driveways.html#research


Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 07:02 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Jaq though - it makes no sense to have reversing beeps on cars. Drivers ahve got to take responsibility - sadly as I see about 5 or 6 drivers everyday on phones, or drinking, or reading maps, I don't hold out much hope.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 07:05 (twenty years ago)

ARGH. Foster's beer truck began to unload as usual this morning but really overentitled yuppie type in Audi (Female, shitty cheap viscose suit which was prob. v. expensive) got trapped in while they did the barrels, and then LEANED ON HORN for like five minutes solid. About five different people came out of flats to tell her to stop it, and she just started screaming at all of us that it was because of THEM followed by 100dB of HORN. She was, you'll be pleased to know, called an ugly, overreacting and self-centred yuppie bitch by more than just me.

This, I am sad to say, is the closest I have ever gotten to removing a driver from their car and beating the shit out of them.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 07:08 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure the reversing drivers hate the acoustic signals much more than we do. I think that's why they look miserable. I don't think they are unable to string a sentence together either. They are probably overqualified for their job, like most of us. Besides, I wouldn't like to get up at four in the morning and drive backwards for a living.

Oh no, now I am Spokesperson for Reversing Drivers.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 07:28 (twenty years ago)

I drove a beemer for a couple of months that had an internal beep, where the beeps got closer together until you hit whatever it was you were backing into. V. irritating but at least you could turn it off (I found out later...).

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:17 (twenty years ago)

dud

lorries/construction vehicles reversing slowly down the entire length of a deserted residential street at 6am like a Giant Fucking Alarm Clock On Wheels

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:58 (twenty years ago)


Classic - guys reversing cars/trucks in general is pretty good. Esp. the way that they stick one arm over the back of the passenger seat and use the palm of their hand to turn the wheel. The alarm will just draw you attention to this behaviour.

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:25 (twenty years ago)

the company my husband works for (the US post office) directs its employees to not back up when on company business

i have this wonderful mental image of thousands of abandoned US post office vans in cul-de-sacs/alleyways/dead-end streets. "oh fuck, not allowed to reverse. anyone know where the nearest bus stop is? do we even have bus stops in america?" etc.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Hehe.

The reversing alarm is no more annoying to me than any other EXTREMELY LOUD urban noise, and more useful than some. I don't like the ones that talk though - it feels like a slippery slope.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Ha! Grimly, he's also not supposed to make left-hand turns either (which of course cross traffic in the states). It all adds to that classic postal frustration.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

i can't think of the "beep beep beep" without thinking of george costanza. right, seinfeld-watchin dorks?!

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

And the Seinfeld joke about old people backing out of drive ways - "I'm old, I've waited long enough, I'm coming out"...or something.

Proud to be a SWD.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

he's also not supposed to make left-hand turns either

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this reminds me of when i passed my L-test (second attempt, curses) and said to my mum: "can i take the car out on my own, then?"

"hm, okay," said mum. "as long as you promise only to turn left."

(the car, incidentally, was a 1.0-litre nissan micra. vroom, eh?)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Hey, some of us still use 1.0 litre cars!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Some of us (who are far away on a training course and can't defend themselves) use 998cc cars. Vroom! Beep-beep!

stet (stet), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:59 (twenty years ago)

998cc is a one-litre for car purposes, innit? (mine is 1299cc, I think). It is also very old in car years, and a bit rubbish.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 18:01 (twenty years ago)


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