What is the most major historical event/person/etc that has been forgotten or is inadequately recognized?

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I just saw this documentary on PBS about a genocide of Armenians in/by Turkey in or around 1915. I had never even heard of this! I guess that's mostly my fault for not knowing enough about history, but it made me think about things that are a big deal at the time but then fade away almost completely. Kind've like that one thread where people were talking about how best-selling books from the 70's are practically unknown today.

(I've had a few to drink so if this is incomprehensible sorry...)

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 23 April 2006 01:51 (twenty years ago)

Hey that was on here last night too. In Australia. I never knew things like that screened at the same time in other countries.

This cunted circus never ends... (papa november), Sunday, 23 April 2006 01:53 (twenty years ago)

Do events in history have "revivals" like musicians do, whereupon their importance is recognized again and included more adequately in textbooks and stuff?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 23 April 2006 01:54 (twenty years ago)

Really that was shown in Australia too!? One of the talking heads seemed to be a University of Minnesota professor so I assumed it was a local production.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 23 April 2006 01:55 (twenty years ago)

i think the main reason ppl remember that one is, ironically, because hitler made a famous statement about how everyone would forget about the holocaust - "who knows remembers the armenians?"

reconstruction isn't forgotten but it's definitely widely misunderstood.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:01 (twenty years ago)

oh, so i downloaded all the episodes of that british documentary "the world at war", and there's an interview with a japanese soldier who served in burma. when asked what the soldiers in the jungle did to keep themselves entertained, he said that they would go to the military brothel and visit the "comfort women" - but only the officers got to be "entertained" by the fresher comfort women, while he and the other rank & file had to settle for the more-used up of the comfort women. then he got a little misty eyed and said how brave those women who came from their homes (mostly from korea, that fucker) to provide a little entertainment for the japanese soldiers before they went off to fight. he said it like implying that they CHOSE to go live in sweaty jungles servicing japanese imperialist dogs. ugh.

phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:03 (twenty years ago)

It really really was Dan, it was a PBS production on the same topic, so I assume it was the same program.

This cunted circus never ends... (papa november), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:18 (twenty years ago)

There was an article in the New York Times a few weeks ago about the controversy showing that documentary on PBS.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:49 (twenty years ago)

I guess according to the documentary it's now illegal in Turkey to talk about the genocide!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:56 (twenty years ago)

Roswell

*poker face*

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:58 (twenty years ago)

"who knows remembers the armenians?"

i meant uh "who now remembers the armenians?" of course.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 23 April 2006 04:18 (twenty years ago)

The Japanese internment camps in the US during WWII don't get mentioned very often. Sure, it wasn't nearly as brutal, but it was still fucked up. I remember it only receiving a passing mention in my High School US history class, and I wouldn't really have known about it if not for having to read Farewell to Manzanar in English class.

naus (Robert T), Sunday, 23 April 2006 04:49 (twenty years ago)

in america, it's virtually unknown that the british captured and burned washington dc during the war of 1812.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

xpost the turkish party line is that the armenian genocide was largely made up or least exaggerated to make the turks look bad and jeez it's not like nobody else ever did anything bad not that the turks did anything bad get off our backs already it was like 10,000 armenians tops.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Sunday, 23 April 2006 05:04 (twenty years ago)

The Japanese internment camps in the US during WWII don't get mentioned very often.

they get mentioned a fair bit. probably more than anything else mentioned on this thread so far. but no, it's not one of america's proudest moments.

even cathy berberian's nose (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 23 April 2006 05:09 (twenty years ago)

The Japanese internment camps in the US during WWII don't get mentioned very often. Sure, it wasn't nearly as brutal, but it was still fucked up. I remember it only receiving a passing mention in my High School US history class

well at least its mentioned in american history books, and the victims got an official apology and compensation from the US government. unlike in japan where war atrocities are written out of textbooks, and where the government hasn't made any official apologies for war crimes and kidnapping/forced-prostitution of korean, chinese, filipino women.

phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 23 April 2006 05:34 (twenty years ago)

the turkish party line is that the armenian genocide was largely made up or least exaggerated to make the turks look bad

Or, alternately, pass the buck on to the Young Turks.

naus (Robert T), Sunday, 23 April 2006 05:36 (twenty years ago)

The programme about Armenian genocide might come hot on the heels of Orhan Palmuk's acquittal for basically MENTIONING it in Turkey - they'd tried him for treasonous behaviour.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 23 April 2006 05:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the Armenian genocide is bigger news in Europe where, if I remember rightly, the Turkish gov's failure to apologise for or even acknowledge it is still a sticking point for the country's entry into the EU.

The question doesn't really take into account that most nations are pretty bad at remembering other places' history. What's interesting is stuff from your own country's history that gets overlooked. Examples - the "Glorious" Revolution of 1688 and the events surrounding the Union of England and Scotland don't seem to have much resonance for the British (not Irish) public, considering they were probably the key events in shaping our present day political system.

Ricky Nadir (noodle vague), Sunday, 23 April 2006 07:25 (twenty years ago)

What about the recent tsunami? It killed thousands upon thousands, and I feel weird that apart from a few weeks in the media immediate upon its happening, no one seems to mention it now :/ I know thats a recent thing, but still...

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 23 April 2006 07:36 (twenty years ago)

Tsunami = 3rd world peasants doing what 3rd world peasants do i.e. die prematurely. The only news angle the West was interested in was if Whitey died whilst on holiday.

Ricky Nadir (noodle vague), Sunday, 23 April 2006 07:47 (twenty years ago)

Ugh tell me about it - the only time it gets mentioned here now is because some AFL footballer died. ARGHHEHRGEHRG.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 23 April 2006 07:51 (twenty years ago)

oh, like that supermodel petra nemcova.

phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 23 April 2006 07:52 (twenty years ago)

Yah precisely.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 23 April 2006 07:56 (twenty years ago)

I think a lot of the atroticities of colonialism are largely forgotten these days. Most people know colonialism was generally a bad thing, but few know any details of exaxctly what happened in the colonialized countries. King Léopold II's Congo is one of the worst examples.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 23 April 2006 07:59 (twenty years ago)

I have to concur with the tsunami thing being covered only cause people from Europe/US were there on holidays and OMG-isn't-it-horrible-can't-we-just-enjoy-peaceful-vacations. I mean, just a few months later there was that earthquake in Pakistan-Kashmir and that hardly got as much coverage even though it was just as terrible, especially since most of the people that suffered from it had the Himalayan winter coming up afterwards. Nowadays you still hear a bit about the tsunami and how all the money sent there is being used, but that earthquake? Nothing, but you know, it ain't important unless people from the West die.

Jibé (Jibé), Sunday, 23 April 2006 09:29 (twenty years ago)

actually the real answer has to be WWI. bloodiest war in history up to that point, utterly changed the face of the world, but no one ever talks about it anymore.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 23 April 2006 09:52 (twenty years ago)

I talk about WWI! I remmeber also some wannabe pundits going "ooh, ooh, this is gonna be big, remember Franz Ferdinand!" when Kosovo rolled around.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 23 April 2006 11:02 (twenty years ago)

I watched a documentary about the Treaty of Versailles the other week.

The big question is, when are we gonna get our first Turkish Googler going "Armenians? Who us? Nah, never happened mate."

Ricky Nadir (noodle vague), Sunday, 23 April 2006 11:06 (twenty years ago)

What about the recent tsunami? It killed thousands upon thousands, and I feel weird that apart from a few weeks in the media immediate upon its happening, no one seems to mention it now :/ I know thats a recent thing, but still...

What would you have them say? I don't think it's forgotten, it's just an effect that leads towards forgetting all these "brown people dying" incidents, that we're not likely to talk about the people involved all that much anyway. I think it's definitely on the record, if you asked people about the worst natural disaster of the last ten years, I don't think they'll be saying "Katrina, no wait, there's something else... no, it's gone". Though it's come loose in time a bit, it might not feature on a list of Winter 2004 news.

Examples - the "Glorious" Revolution of 1688 and the events surrounding the Union of England and Scotland don't seem to have much resonance for the British (not Irish) public, considering they were probably the key events in shaping our present day political system.

Is it actually true that schools are taught that 1066 is the last 'real' invasion?

I think that eg All Quiet On The Western Front (as well as "Explain me WWII") will keep WWI in mind to a certain extent, far more than the Armenian massacre.

I'd suggest the Santa Clara judgement, interpretation of which has lead to corporations being considered legally people.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 23 April 2006 11:29 (twenty years ago)

What about overrepresented political etc. events? Assassination of Kennedy for example?

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 23 April 2006 11:30 (twenty years ago)

I have to concur with the tsunami thing being covered only cause people from Europe/US were there on holidays and OMG-isn't-it-horrible-can't-we-just-enjoy-peaceful-vacations.

I, on the other hand, would strongly disagree with this. The tsumani got extensive coverage at the time, and two things "helped" that. First, it was a relatively unique natural disaster -- when was the last time there was a tsunami anywhere near that magnitude? Centuries, at least. Second, it wasn't like, say, that earthquake in Iran a few years ago that killed tens of thousands of people -- it happened in an "open" country (more than one, in fact, which also helped), so there was plenty of opportunity to both GET film of the actual event and subsquently report from the scene.

I think people's willingness to be cynical about their own society gets the better of themselves sometimes...

someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Sunday, 23 April 2006 11:31 (twenty years ago)

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I don't know if schoolkids are taught that 1066 was the last invasion of Britain, but it's the kind of asinine "fact" that gets bandied about when you're a kid.

The Civil War gets plenty coverage, including all those Sealed Knot folks that like to go and play soldiers every weekend. But the stuff that happened post-Civil War - say from the middle of the 17th to the middle of the 18th Century - has had far more effect on the current political system of the British Isles and is comparatively unfamiliar to the English.

Ricky Nadir (noodle vague), Sunday, 23 April 2006 11:38 (twenty years ago)

Also, although Middle East is constantly in the news, I wonder how many folks know about the history of Western colonialism there and how it's partially responsible for all the geographical conflicts that still go on today.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 23 April 2006 11:50 (twenty years ago)

Percentage of people worldwide who know that: not very high.
Percentage of people involved in the geographical conflicts who know that: really not very high.
Better choice of word than partially: negligibly.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 23 April 2006 13:47 (twenty years ago)

andrew i think tuomas is wrong for the opposite reason -- foax in huge parts of the world seem to be achingly aware of the history of colonialism in the middle east. and the fact that the borders of the region were set arbitrarily seems to be a fairly obvious issue w/r/t e.g. iraq dissolving into civil war at the moment.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 23 April 2006 13:53 (twenty years ago)

The Paris Commune was instrumental to the evolution of Communism (it even gave it its name!), but is not that well known.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Sunday, 23 April 2006 14:41 (twenty years ago)

I think that eg All Quiet On The Western Front (as well as "Explain me WWII") will keep WWI in mind to a certain extent, far more than the Armenian massacre

Not to be pedantic, but I think of the Armenian genocide as a part of World War I.

Perhaps the Armenian genocide is the most famous "forgotten genocide" in history. I have heard people mention it many times, but always in the context of how no one talks about it.

Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 23 April 2006 15:02 (twenty years ago)

I've just realised that saying "not to be pedantic" has made me sound like a pedantic arse.

Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 23 April 2006 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, there's kind of an important thing to mention here in that when you're documenting history, the events that had the biggest death toll aren't necessarily the most important. That's not to say we should forget them all, of course. But natural disasters that come and kill hundreds of thousands of villagers maybe be the worst tragedies, but history isn't just a list of the top however many most senseless losses of human life. Things have historical significance when they changed the world in new ways, or had resonance outside the region they occurred in. September 11th for example is quiet justifiably going to be the biggest event in contemporary history, and it's irrelevant that more people died in thousands of other tragedies.

But yeah, history is shaped by trends, and the current world situation affects how we view the events of the past. When the Armenian genocide occurred, the word genocide did not exist. If you talk about it now, the whole history of the holocaust and the rise of the concept of genocide will frame how the events are viewed.

Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 23 April 2006 15:28 (twenty years ago)

The word genocide didn't exist at the time, but the condemnation of any attempt to kill people because of their race/culture/etc was certainly around. The Armenian genocide (or whatever it was called at the time) was condemned by the Allied powers, and itself gave rise to another deliciously modern term, "crimes against humanity".

Beans Hambone, Sunday, 23 April 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

The big question is, when are we gonna get our first Turkish Googler going "Armenians? Who us? Nah, never happened mate."

Oddly enough, one of the first big internet spamming incidents involved someone doing almost that - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serdar_Argic

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 23 April 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

The third reason the tsunami got so much coverage was because it happened on christmas when nothing else was going on, and editors grab anything to fill space. Contrast pakistan quake and its tiny coverage.

stet (stet), Sunday, 23 April 2006 20:47 (twenty years ago)

I've heard Katrina referred to as the worst U.S. natural disaster, by people who haven't heard of the Galveston hurricane in 1900 -- http://www.1900storm.com/

Also on the natural-disaster front, the strongest recorded earthquakes in the lower U.S. were not in California but southeast Missouri in 1811 and 1812 -- the area wasn't too heavily populated then (mainly Frenchies, a few English farmers and Native Americans), but the quakes (at least 8.0, probably much more) rang church bells in Boston. A similar quake today would be disastrous for Memphis & St. Louis.

http://asms.k12.ar.us/armem/richards/

limecake, Sunday, 23 April 2006 21:25 (twenty years ago)

The Paris Commune was instrumental to the evolution of Communism (it even gave it its name!), but is not that well known.

haha it's well known as a restaurant in nyc.

even cathy berberian's nose (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 23 April 2006 21:31 (twenty years ago)

galveston hurricane subject of huge bestseller and tons of cashin documentaries afterward = not forgotten. reconstruction = decidedly NEVER to be forgotten in the south alas (if other schools were anything like mine you spend decidedly more time on reconstruction than on wwii nevermind wwi). americans (and judging by ilx europeans too) seem as ignorant about any military history as they are of the military in general. for societies with such a taste for war this might be a dangerous disconnect.

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 23 April 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

The Eastern Front in WW2 is very much overlooked by the West these days — 25 million dead Soviets, more than all the other European countries put together.

As for Armenia, I'm always fascinated by the way it's against the law in Austria to say that one holocaust never happened, and also against the law in another country to say that another holocaust DID happen...

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Monday, 24 April 2006 07:35 (twenty years ago)

yesterday was the 32nd anniversary of the "carnation revolution" in portugal -- where the portuguese military relatively peacefully overthrew one of europe's last bona-fide fascist dictatorships. for quirky reasons of my own, i've been reading a bit about the portuguese revolution (anyone w/ an online subscription to new york review of books can find some excellent, roughly contemporaneous articles regarding the same). it was quite fascinating for a number of reasons: (a) the coup was led by portuguese military officers who had been radicalized by revolutionaries they had encountered while defending portugal's overseas territories; (b) w/ the exception of macau, said territories would be granted their independence w/n a year -- in turn leading to the nasty east timor situation (which was also portuguese territory) as well as the nasty internal civil wars in angola and mozambique; (c) the U.S. -- more precisely, kissinger -- had been caught asleep at the wheel; (d) for the next year after the revolution, portugal was like some gigantic 60s haight-ashbury hippie freakout.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 04:42 (twenty years ago)

Made the news today

http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_114211612.html

naus (Robert T), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 05:04 (twenty years ago)

ooh, the carnation revolution is a good one. It no doubt had an influence on Spain's transition to democracy post-Franco a few years later too.

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 05:17 (twenty years ago)

Reading this thread, you'd think that every important historical event involved wars and killing. Let's include a few non-violent events/people too. Starting with some examples from science:

Johannes Kepler, whose fame is dwarfed by e.g. Copernicus and Galileo, proved that planets travel in elliptical orbits. The revered Greek scientific tenet of circular orbits had persisted for 2000 years. Kepler destroyed that notion once and for all. He also attempted to explain *why* the planets move as they do (the concept of a "force" was revolutionary for his time), thereby helping to re-incorporate dynamics (to go along with kinematics) into physics and astronomy after nearly 2000 years.

John Harrison solved the longitude problem by inventing the first reliable maritime clock. The longitude problem went unsolved for decades and was probably the largest science and engineering undertaking in human history to that point.

In case anyone is thinking about it: don't bother mentioning Rosalind Franklin here. She didn't do shit.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 05:54 (twenty years ago)

When the Mongols were expanding westward, they stopped at the Khwarezmid Empire, which was like Afghanistan, Persia, and the former Soviet 'stans. I guess Genghis was bored of war, or something, so he wanted to set up a peaceful trading pact with the Khwarezmid's and sent a caravan, but some provincial leader intercepted it and massacred all the Mongols. But Genghis tried again and sent an envoy to the Shah, who beheaded all of them, but one, and sent that guy back to the Mongols. So then Genghis got kinda mad, invaded, and fucked them up. Then continued on to Turkey, Russia, Eastern Europe. So I guess if the Shah played nice, maybe the Mongols would have just stopped there, and who knows how the world would have been different. Oh well.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 06:05 (twenty years ago)

Barry, those are some great examples :) In reading Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything" I was entertained by the repeated times someone'd discover some life-changing thing, only to be trumped by some other bastard later who had better access to media/money/exposure.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 06:12 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes I think I know too much - Kepler and Harrison are both people I've heard of, and know about, so I'd consider them to be famous.

(this might partly be a local thing - Harrison lived only a few miles from me for most of his life, and at least one of his surviving clocks is nearby too, still in its original location and still working with virtually no maintenance needed)

(Kepler, incidentally, was an important precursor of Newton - he noticed the link between planetary orbital distances and periods which implied that the force causing it obeyed the inverse square law)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 06:37 (twenty years ago)

Reagan and the Contras?

deeej, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 06:53 (twenty years ago)

"the moral equal of our founding fathers."

deeej, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 06:55 (twenty years ago)

the armenian genocide is commemorated on april 24th which is why i guess the documentary has been on everywhere recently. i've been caught up in traffic snarls in los angeles which we later found out were caused by roads in the armenian district* being closed for the commemoration so it's not completely forgotten.

* http://www.genocideevents.com/index.php?file=event&ic_id=1460&type=state
seems to be concetrated in burbank and wilshire but also 'little armenia'.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 07:58 (twenty years ago)

are you all on smack about the tsunami? it was covered by the truck load from where i was sitting. there was an extensive documentary about it on tv too not that long ago too. i'd be surprised if there's anybody at the moment who wouldn't know anything about it.

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 08:13 (twenty years ago)

Nobody talks about the lake Missoula flood anymore, and the eruption of Mount Mazama might as well have not happened.

J Barkis, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:03 (twenty years ago)

I'd say Tycho Brahe is less famous than Kepler, and yet it was his data and observations that led to the Laws Of Planetary Motion.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Tycho Brahe is classic, though. He had his own jester! He had a false nose made of silver!! The Cardigans mentioned him in a song!!!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:39 (twenty years ago)

I think my favourite Tycho Brahe fact is that he died literally bursting for a piss.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:56 (twenty years ago)

In reading Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything" I was entertained by the repeated times someone'd discover some life-changing thing, only to be trumped by some other bastard later who had better access to media/money/exposure.

Ooh, an opportunity to tell the story of my great-great-great uncle Edward Butler, who exhibited plans for a gas-powered three-wheeled motor vehicle in 1884, two years before Karl Benz received a patent for a very similar vehicle, generally considered the first car, and a year before Daimler's motorcycle. Butler's Petrol Cycle was hindered by the fact that in Britain at the time there was a law called the Red Flag Act, which said that any such vehicle travelling on British roads has to have a man walking and waving a red flag in front of it. So he couldn't test it properly and in the end it was sold for scrap.

http://pages.zoom.co.uk/elvis/butler.html

Of course, I'm not saying this was a major overlooked historical event, Butler was a failed contemporary of Daimler and Benz and not the "true" inventor of the car or anything. But luck often has a lot to do with who gets the credit, I suppose. And why I am not an heiress.

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:00 (twenty years ago)

my first ever excelsior

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:08 (twenty years ago)

I think my favourite Tycho Brahe fact is that he died literally bursting for a piss.

How could I have forgotten that!

That's on a par with one of my favourite Deaths Of Great Scientists: Sir Francis Bacon, died of pneumonia after trying to invent frozen food (by stuffing a chicken with snow)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:09 (twenty years ago)

I always think that the fact that, only a few years back, the IRA almost blew up the entire British cabinet and then launched a missile at 10 Downing Street (it landed in the garden) puts the War On Terror into perspective

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:13 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone here, without cheating, know what Longarone refers to?

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:26 (twenty years ago)

Never heard of it. At first I thought it might have something to do with Seveso.

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:31 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone here, without cheating, know what Longarone refers to?

If memory serves it was a village in France or Italy that was completely wiped out by a landslide. Killed a couple thousand people.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Does Aberfan mean anything to anybody outside Britain? (Yes, I know it's an order of magnitude smaller)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 12:57 (twenty years ago)

David Ackles wrote a song about it, so I'm assuming it does

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:01 (twenty years ago)

The impact of William McKinley on U.S. foreign policy. Dismissed for years as a lightweight, in the shadow of his formidable successor (Teddy Roosevelt), this mild-mannered sneak fooled everyone who thought he was the puppet of Ohio Senator Mark Hanna, getting us into war with Spain, ostensibly so we can "Christianize" the Philippines (never mind that they were Christian already, thanks to those heathen Spaniards) and playing the yellow press like a master violinist.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of the Armenian genocide, I work in Glendale CA which has one of the largest Armenian populations in the country and there's reminders of it everywhere.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:08 (twenty years ago)

The Paris Commune was instrumental to the evolution of Communism (it even gave it its name!), but is not that well known.

Actually, the term "communism" came before the Paris Commune.

Goodwyn Barmby coined the word "communist" in 1840, after the French word communisme, while discussing the egalitarianism associated with Gracchus Babeuf and Abbé Constant. Barmby, who founded the London Communist Propaganda Society in 1841, was a correspondent of Friedrich Engels.

- from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Paris Commune was in 1871.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 18:52 (twenty years ago)

How about the Tulsa Race Riot? I guess this got a lot of attention five years ago or so, but I'm not sure how 'au courant' non-natives are (I'm from there). It was a lot deadlier than Rosewood and Watts and other more recognized race riots. Huge sections of the city were torched (some apparently by home-made explosive devices/napalm dropped from crop-dusters).. No one knows how many people died exactly. There was a movement to dig up parts of this huge downtown graveyard that might be mass graves, but I guess it lost steam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Race_Riot

poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

as far as America is concerned, my vote goes to Roger Williams.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I remember seeing another documentary about the Tulsa race riots. They basically nuked the black part of town!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 00:46 (twenty years ago)

RJG

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 00:48 (twenty years ago)

The Rwandan Genocide rarely gets talked about. A million died and it only happened 11 years ago

^^^, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:30 (twenty years ago)

I remember my Armenian friend in grammar school telling me about Turkey and the astrocities regarding that. The Armenians are an interesting group because, like Jews, they are known to be middlemen and to receive the kind of resentmen middlemen minorities are known to get (along with the Overseas Chinese, Koreans, etc). Although my Armenian friend had a family that had long been Americanized he was still oddly "Jewish acting" and that forever ruined my sense of detecting Jewish humor and personality from other cultures. Aremenians have actually been called the "Gentiles' Jews" I remember.

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:47 (twenty years ago)

I think I am prejudiced againast Chinese :(

JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:48 (twenty years ago)

seems there a lot of "the jews of xxxx-place". ive always heard that koreans are the jews of asia. but also that the chinese are the jews of asia. and taiwanese too. also, it seems lots of places are "the paris of africa" or "the venice of central asia", etc. i like those fun comparisons.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:50 (twenty years ago)

"christians are the jews of america" - any number of insane fundamentalist pundits

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:52 (twenty years ago)

things that don't get discussed much anymore: the dust bowl, depression-era migrant farm worker communities, grapes of wrath type stuff.

flea market economy (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:03 (twenty years ago)

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0911-21.htm

JW (ex machina), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:09 (twenty years ago)

President George W. Bush was introduced to the film "The Grapes of Wrath" as a student at the Harvard Business School, where he got admitted on his family's name. "I wanted to give the class a visual reference for poverty and a sense of historical empathy," macroeconomics professor Yoshi Tsurumi told a researcher for Kitty Kelley's book, "The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty."

"George Bush came up to me and said, 'Why are you going to show us that commie movie?'" Tsurumi recalled. "I laughed because I thought he was kidding, but he wasn't. After we viewed the film, I called on him to discuss the Depression and how he thought it affected people. [Bush] said, 'Look, people are poor because they are lazy.' A number of students pounced on him and demanded that he support his statement with facts and statistics. He quickly backed down because he could not sustain his broadside."

The incident and a semester of exposure burned into Tsurumi's memory a disturbing view of the future president. "His strong prejudices soon set him apart.... Most business students are conservative, but they are not inhumane or unprincipled. George Bush came across as totally lacking compassion, with no sense of history, completely devoid of social responsibility and unconcerned with the welfare of others."

awesome

flea market economy (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:12 (twenty years ago)

nine years pass...

paul mcgrath

specifically paul mcgrath vs italy

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Friday, 8 May 2015 22:23 (eleven years ago)


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