FREEMASONRY: To Know, To Will, Dare... but, to Keep Silent? Nah, here's some shit for you to chew on. (Besides the fact that your uncle goes to Lodge to drink beer)

1972 - 1983, he was put to sleep when he got too old with heart worms and the mange. (that meant nothing; I just wanted you to read something I was listening to)

she was Jack The Ripper, according to Aleister Crowley. Not exactly a trustworthy moderator!

References: http://www.redflame93.com/FriendsAcquaintances.html (pro-crowley)

http://bookoflaw276.tripod.com/crowleyripper.html (also pro-Crowley, but after a different fashion)

....(on the redflam93.com link click "Jack The Ripper"... don't be lookin' for "Blavatsky" ... taint there. Taint. My taint.) so, when you get to here http://www.redflame93.com/FriendsAcquaintances.html click Jack the Ripper and get to here http://www.redflame93.com/JacktheRipper.html

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/ShrineHospPhoto1.jpg

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/bing/media/spokane.jpg

I love the idea of anyone taking Crowley seriously as a detective.

Oh no, I am having an irresistable current of will released against me!

Sublimatio!

Dude, you know nothing, I am talking about Mathers.

MODERATORS - lock this thread when the reply count reaches 23.

Now, what are you trying to say about Mathers? An "irresistable current of will" is an oxymoron because an "irresistable current" is not "will" at all, which was my point.

This sentence makes me laugh :-)

Bag of shit ready here, any time you're hungry.

xpost: wow, who could possibly give one half of a shit?

This is the sentence that makes me laugh :-) I literally laughed out loud.

Point of this here shit-eating thread is "Masons do more than drink beer." They are based on the idea of helping and bettering humanity and this comes from the Ancient Wisdom found in Mystery Traditions, which they are obviously based on.

They actually are supposedly non-religious and only require a belief in a higher power because the Ancient Wisdom is One great stream with many tributaries. Your religion is SUPPOSED TO BE your own business. AND YET, the Grand Lodge in California has banned Thelema. You can't put the Book on the altar. I wonder how they would feel about the Satanic Bible. :-\

So, anyway, next time you open your big fat yap to talk about Masonry, shut up.

That is all.

TOMBOT: Pretty good!

if by "funny" you mean "uninteresting," yes

That might be fine as a personal credo, but I don't think it would ever fly as the organizing principle of society. Because pretty soon someone would do what they wilt to someone else and the other person wouldn't like it, so they'd do what they wilt back even worse - and before you know it there would be wars, murder, crime, gnashing of teeth and the whole sorry mess all over again. Law is set up for the purpose of resolving these kinds of conflicts - pretending that these conflicts wouldn't exist isn't a solution, it's a pipe dream.

in that case, you're a funny guy

Your criticism is based on a face-value interpretation of the law, but you are not wrong. In actuality, no Will is supposed to be opposed to another, but to get this to fly as the organizing principle of society would require society to be educated in Crowley's mystical and magical system of the A.'.A.'. and that is not likely to happen ever. For Thelemites, it doesn't much matter, though, since "the few and unknown shall rule the many and the known."

xpost

Third Degree

Days and moments quickly flying,
Blend the living with the dead;
Soon will you and I be lying
Each within his narrow bed.

Soon our souls to God Who gave them
Will have sped their rapid flight;
Able now by grace to save them,
Oh! that while we can we might.

As the tree falls, so must it lie;
As the man lives, so must he die;
As the man dies, so must he be
All through the days of eternity.

So mote it be.

Finding your True Will is the One Will, so the term "rule" is a loose term. What it means is anyone who follows his True Will can not fail and anyone who opposes, if even possible, will fail.

http://www.ftd.com/pics/products/X657_b.jpg

Just watching the news is somewhat of an example: though it is not exactly a "view from above," it does exist more in the mental plane for the viewer in many cases moreso than physical reality. The news is real life, but unless it's the local news and you actually care what goes on in your town, it is easy to ignore and sometimes even difficult to relate to, even if it is "real." Hearing of a war in Iraq might affect us mentally, but in many cases, we can ignore the reality of it. BEING in the war in Iraq is a completely different reality.

Speaking of examples, analogies themselves are examples. Until abstract ideas are related to in TERMS WE CAN UNDERSTAND, they remain abstract. Analogies are real-life situations we can relate to which have a similarity to the concept being expressed. These real-life situations are grounded in earth; it is a way to bring the abstract "down to earth," as they say.

Formation was the work of the One Will to experience fully. From earth, we can't see the "big picture" as easily, but we are intimately involved in it: "God made man IN his image." What Crowley's system does is connect the human personality, which is a reflection of the Soul, to it's higher intelligence. Plato called this his daemon, Crowley called it the Holy Guardian Angel. Once this occurs, the True Will is understood. As the personality is a reflection of the Soul, the Soul is a reflection of the One and, thus, the True Will is the Will of the One. But, the personality is split into compartmentalized consciousness which allows free will. The self-consciousness communicates to the subconscious, the subconscious communicates to the super-conscious and the super-conscious communicates to the subconscious which then relays the message to the self-conscious. Man has no way of discovering his True Will without sincere effort. It is totally hidden from him until he unites with super-conscious. And by then, he is a completely different person.

Aren't you glad you asked?

beats watchin' tv though!

Or to avoid getting into specifics. They can get their geek on in private, like I do, at Lodge or semi-anonymously online using member number and signing in as "Frater Whassisbutt." Then, of course, there are the Masons who never ask or learn from other masons, don't want to read, etc. From what I gather, there are a lot of masons like this, which makes me wonder what they get out of it. Pay dues to do charity work and get drunk, I guess? The lodges in my hometown where people got loaded were mostly K of C's or other groups that just rented space in the Masonic temple. But, the rituals themselves are designed to work on the subconscious, so perhaps even the unwitting Masons are made "better men." Drunk men, but better!

dan kind of otm, though i'm sure there are plenty of masons who get more out of it than social networking (though that is the main draw) and make use of the libraries, etc. however they assuredly do NOT do this by reading aleister crowley.

Think about that for a moment and it should start to sink in why "no masons i know are religious." Imagine the follow up questions: "Oh, so Masons ARE religious? What do Masons believe?" Much easier to just keep silence.

You missed the spiritual utopian aspect of the "anarchist" purely Thelemic fantasy society. Masonry has banned Thelema and thus banned "Do what thou wilt" as a concept. Perhaps due to its deeper "The Law Is For All" meaning rather than what it appears to be on the surface, as you seem to be interpreting it? I'm not sure, exactly, why a Masonic Lodge would ban Thelema because the perspective you're coming from is different from the perspective Masonry officially endorses. "Do what thou wilt" is not the free-for-all "whatever you want" philosophy that the rich do whatever they feel like because they have the money and power to do it. As explained previously, it is a philosophy that is fairly opposed to whims of the personal ego. And, as such, it SHOULD be in line with the official views of Masonry "to help" and to "make better men."