the thread about the PRS (Performing Right Society)

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i’ve searched high and i’ve searched low and I still can’t find a satisfactory answer so please help!

what IS the deal with PRS, in the uk, as it relates to djing out in clubs and bars??

how does it work, do i need to make a regular payment to the PRS people?

aside from my records, i download mp3s and burn them to cd. do i need to replace my downloaded mp3s with actual bought ones? (where is a good cheap place? allofmp3.com is still illegal in the eyes of the PRS isn't it?

what about the ones i can't find online like unreleased rmxs and my own edits??

do they have people who go round to various bars and clubs checking the djs collection? how are they going to go inside my laptop - can i just refuse? will they come back to my home and raid my pc and cds??

im small-fry now so i figure i can ignore it, but say i start earning thousands and thousands from it, do things change then??

thanks!
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siobh (siobh), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

to the best of my knowledge, pubs and bars should have PRS licenses to cover djs if they are allowing you to play. there was some k-wacky thing i saw about six months ago about digital copies of music needing a different type of licence, including mix cds of stuff you have bought separately, but i'm not sure how they would enforce it. it might be different if you were eg mobile djing in a church hall or similar which might not have a prs licence to cover it.

the PRS send ppl to clubs/bars to listen to what music is being played (i used to do it for a bit), but that's more about fair(er) distribution of royalties than checking up on djs.

i'm sure if you wander around their website, such info will become clear...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

I can only speak for the US but it sounds like the UK's on the same system. If a band/DJ/whatever is playing music in a place of business, the business is responsible for paying for the license.

Much easier to license a club than chase 100 DJs around, isn't it?

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

The PRS-MCPS alliance can get fucked for a start.

Fill in a web form, print it out, and post it to them with a cheque enclosed? Jesus wept.

caek, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 23:06 (seventeen years ago)

And while I'm on it, owners of master rights, you break my balls.

caek, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 23:07 (seventeen years ago)

artists need get paid too, yo!

csa, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 00:56 (seventeen years ago)

1) The PRS is a fucking inept for-profit organization that gets in the way of me paying artists.
2) 99 times out of a hundred, artists do not own their masters, so they don't see a penny of master right purchases.

caek, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 00:58 (seventeen years ago)

but i do agree!

caek, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 01:00 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...


Concert and festival promoters have warned that ticket prices could go up as songwriters consider requesting a greater share of live music takings.

Currently, 3% of all gig ticket money goes to PRS For Music, which passes it on to writers and composers.

It is reviewing that rate, saying it needs to ensure a "fair balance" between music fans and creators.

Melvin Benn, who runs the Reading, Leeds and Latitude festivals, described it as "blatant money-grabbing".

With VAT also rising by 2.5%, Mr Benn, who runs Festival Republic, said the cost of an average festival ticket would go up by about £10.

Songwriters are already benefiting from the live music scene because attendances and ticket prices have gone up so much in recent years, he argued.

UK fans spent £1.45bn on gigs and festivals in 2009, compared with less than £1bn in 2004.

"The quantum leap in what the PRS are being paid by live music promoters is very, very substantial compared to what it was 10 years ago," Mr Benn told BBC News.

"Live music is so much stronger than it was, and therefore the receipts the PRS are getting are substantially more than they were.

"Instead of being pleased with that and wanting to work with us, they want to punish us and just take more. The reality is that will only result in additional costs to the ticket-buyer and that's killing the goose that laid the golden egg."

PRS For Music has opened a consultation on the fee, which was last set in 1988, and has not revealed its preferred rate for the future.

It may introduce tiered rates, with bigger events paying more, and attempt to introduce a levy on secondary ticket agents and booking fees. It may also bring in a different fee for mixed arts festivals, where music is one of many attractions.

Stuart Littlewood, chairman of the Concert Promoters Association, said: "We don't yet know what they're asking for but any increase would be most unwelcome.

"At the end of the day, it's the public who would be paying because the promoters would have to pass the increase on to the public.

"We're already going to have to pass the VAT increase on. So tickets next year are going to be more expensive than they are this year because of these unnecessary increases."
'Massive change'

PRS For Music's Debbie Mulloy said: "It's been over 20 years since we last reviewed this tariff and it's part of a general review of all our tariffs.

"This is one sector where there have been massive amounts of change and we felt a good review was required to make sure everything was still fair and reasonable."

The rate would not necessarily increase, she said. "There's no foregone conclusion here. It's not as simple as saying we want the rate to be higher. There are a number of things we have to assess."

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 5 July 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)

Hmm, I assumed this was an ILM thread

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 5 July 2010 18:59 (fifteen years ago)

four years pass...

The Doors, Bonnie Raitt, Journey and Neil Young are apparently no longer member of MCPS

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 June 2015 20:28 (eleven years ago)


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