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but how good will it be?

;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

that web site is a mess. tell us what it's about

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

Aliens. Gays. Cardiff. How can it fail?

The trailer features a Cybermanesque thing in it.

;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

That seemed rather stiff on Doctorb Who.

Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, that website seems half done. but i am bitter b/c i can't watch the videos :( i hope it ends up being sufficiently doctor-who-y but that it's 'angle' or whatever is more like farscape than, say, csi. it could even be more like firefly than csi, i don't know, as long as it's not like tired u.s. drama.

i am only posting about tv to ile anymore

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

But what of food?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

From what I've seen of the trailers etc. it reminds me a bit of Angel, which is not a bad thing.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

Except obv. Barrowman not as schlumpily goofy as Boreanz.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

i think i could deal with that! (though i only ever watched a bit of that show. and the whole buffy scene is one i never got into but really want to spend a couple months watching on dvd b/c i was into that one season a few years ago and then did not have the channel.) i just really miss farscape, haha. i won't fault torchwood if it doesn't pull through on that one though.
xpost

(haha, i just got what ned was on about! yes, i may still post about food or, really, other people's food. if only so that my own food choices become more interesting/less same-y.)

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

the picture on the front page looks like CSI: Urban Outfitters.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

haha! low-rise skinny jeans and black jackets are classic, TIMELESS even.

wait, there is going to be some kind of time/space travel in this, right?

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

six main characters means fifteen possible relationships!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Shouldn't be more like 37 possible relationships?

Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

57 I mean.

Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

you're assuming relationship = 2 ppl

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

I have a hunch it won't be very good.

chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.marbel.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/julitorchwoodweevil.jpg

DavidM* (unreal), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha, your hunch is wrong, as that picture proves

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

They're about to make sweet alien love.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

i was in fact assuming that a relationship was a. limited to two persons and b. a person could not be in a relationship with themselves.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

According to Time Out, there will be lots of "swearing", and a character who makes people explode while orgasming.

So Joe's hunch is back on.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Am I the only one who thinks that it's really clever the way Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who. I mean, that Doctor Who was an anagram of anything sensible sounding at all is good enough, but it being an anagram of something that actually is a real word that makes a suitable name for a spin-off is beyond the call of duty.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

Haha... I didn't realize that the anagram was intentional at first: I was reading through a slate of BBC production schedules and thought 'wow, weird, what a coincidence" before realizing I wasn't the only smart cookie around.

Broke Q. Pooreman (x Jeremy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

In what sense is torchwood a real word?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

2 real words

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:04 (nineteen years ago)

They don't make any sense

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:04 (nineteen years ago)

or do they?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:04 (nineteen years ago)

torch·wood (tôrch'wʊd') n.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:16 (nineteen years ago)

touch wood

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:17 (nineteen years ago)

Okay. Now how is it a real word that makes sense for a Doctor Who spinoff?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:22 (nineteen years ago)

Shining a light into the darkness or some such. Anyway, its a doctor who spinoff why should it make sense?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:30 (nineteen years ago)

Torchwood = something with which to make torches, to shine a (yellow, flickery) light into the darkness = all that reused alien technology!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

the torchwood family of plants includes the source of frankincense and myrrh. add in a gold dalek and DOCTORWHO = BABY JEBUS

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://magiensunivers.dk/herbalhints/monographs/frankincense.asp
http://www.onecook.com/library/christmas/gold&myr.htm

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:40 (nineteen years ago)

I said "suitable name for a spin-off", Andrew, as in it makes a viable name for a TV programme. I wasn't trying to claim that it unravelled the key to the universe or anything. But yeah, in a loose sense, a torch in the darkness for an extra-terrestrial research centre seems an apt enough choice.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:53 (nineteen years ago)

It is, by contrast, notable that network executives never gave the green light to the Star Trek spin-off Kart Rest.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:58 (nineteen years ago)

Roffles at Kart Rest.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

Here on the small rainy island, we have a stupid situation where those of us with Sky satellite dishes can only pick up BBC Three on some stupid package of extra channels that aren't in the main menu and so we can't record Torchwood on our Sky boxes. So if I want to watch it, I have to be at home when it's on. So olde worlde.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

or Trek Rats

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

Rark Test?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

Here on the small rainy island, we have a stupid situation where those of us with Sky satellite dishes can only pick up BBC Three on some stupid package of extra channels that aren't in the main menu and so we can't record Torchwood on our Sky boxes. So if I want to watch it, I have to be at home when it's on. So olde worlde.

Repeats on Wednesdays on BBC2. So much for "exclusive to BBC3".

I heard the radio trailer this morning, and by Christ this sounds like the biggest pile of shite ever. Although people who saw it last night seemed kind of impressed.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 19 October 2006 08:00 (nineteen years ago)

Radio trailers for telly always make programmes sound dire or hokey.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

Toptastic. Thanks for telling me, Aldo.

xpost, obv.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

It is, by contrast, notable that network executives never gave the green light to the Star Trek spin-off Kart Rest.

Or the cut-price legal drama starring Martin Landau, Case 91: 99p.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

LOL

look at all this space, and just under 20 pounds

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Ed Bishop's punk docu?

OFU.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

So, wot did everyone think then?

Pretty entertaining Sunday night stuff I reckon, much more full-on than I had thought it would though; an F-word in the first five minutes, and then a plain old F in the second. Reminded me a bit of the Piglet Files though.

scotstvo (scotstvo), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Jack hearts the Doctor so much he keeps his hand in a box! Eww.

carson dial (carson dial), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

I only saw the first episode and I'm willing to concede my hunch may have been wrong. Pacey and solidly enjoyable, though I didn't really buy that woman out of Rome as the murderer.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Not dreadful. Not great either. Good enough to continue watching.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

skip to S2, S1 is just terrible

a solitary sext (sic), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:43 (twelve years ago)

(I've only watched one ep of S2 though, this is not an endorsement)

a solitary sext (sic), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:44 (twelve years ago)

Yes, S2 is pretty good almost without exception, S1 is pretty awful almost without exception.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:57 (twelve years ago)

Children of Earth is the best of the first 3, plus it features Peter Capaldi

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:58 (twelve years ago)

GIANT EARTH VAGINA

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Sunday, 18 August 2013 22:02 (twelve years ago)

So, would I miss anything if I skip straight to season 2? Are there some important story arcs that are introduced during the first season?

Tuomas, Monday, 19 August 2013 11:12 (twelve years ago)

My gut feeling is that some of the plot things in S2 could feel a bit gratuitous if you haven't invested time with the characters. Also what happens to Owen in S2 is set up in S1, in a mid-season episode which is in turn set up in the first episode.

But I'd probably just do S2, then ask here or watch S1 if you're confused.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 11:19 (twelve years ago)

I think we did this somewhere before, and I think you probably need to watch They Keep Killing Suzie from S1, and probably the rest of them from then onwards.

ailsa, Monday, 19 August 2013 11:28 (twelve years ago)

Wikipedia episode summary of Miracle Day is a thing of wonder.

Torchwood manages to recover important servers out of PhiCorp's HQ, and discovers plans for concentration camp facilities all over the world. Before his throat is shot, the assassin reveals that 'the Families' are behind the Miracle. Subsequently, Rhys calls and informs Gwen that her father has been put in one.

click here to start exploding (ledge), Monday, 19 August 2013 11:29 (twelve years ago)

They Keep Killing Suzie was the episode I was alluding to. Does it make sense what happens in it if you haven't seen the first episode? Probably more than what happens to Ianto in S2 if you've seen Cyberwoman.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 11:33 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, I'm not sure it would make sense if you haven't seen ep 1, but Tuomas says he's seen that, so would probably be OK to dodge some of the Scooby Doo Adventure of the Week filler and go straight to TKKS.

ailsa, Monday, 19 August 2013 11:38 (twelve years ago)

So you're saying the incident in episode 1 where Owen uses what's essentially an alien date rape drug to some random woman (and then his boyfriend too) actually pays off? Because that's where I first thought, "ugh, I don't think I like this series!", seeing that how they played what should be a super creepy scene for laughs.

Tuomas, Monday, 19 August 2013 11:47 (twelve years ago)

No, a different thing from that episode.

The alien date rape drug appears throughout all the remaining series and from memory is quite an important plot device at one point.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 11:51 (twelve years ago)

Okay, but do they still play it for laughs? Because I have really hard time watching any fantasy/sci-fi that uses this sort of "love potion" plot device without considering how creepy its implications are.

Tuomas, Monday, 19 August 2013 11:56 (twelve years ago)

It almost felt like the third episode, where Owen has to witness a murder-rape from the victim's point of view, was written as a response to criticism of the date rape scene.

Tuomas, Monday, 19 August 2013 12:00 (twelve years ago)

I have zero recollection of date rape being even implied in the first episode; my instant reference point was the mind erasing device from Men In Black.

Having said that, it is Rusty; I could have just blocked a terrible bit out of my memory.

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:05 (twelve years ago)

I think it's played partially for laughs one of the other times it's used, but I can't remember properly. And it becomes harder to work out what's being played for laughs and what's being played straight as the series unfolds, as this thread attests.

The more I think about it, the disconnect between Cyberwoman and Ianto in S2 is astonishing. You would never have predicted it.

Dan, it's as Rusty as can be expected - if I hit her with the retcon then she won't remember what I've done so she won't call the police.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:09 (twelve years ago)

tuomas asks whether he should watch series 1 and everyone answers with MASSIVE SPOILERS so that he doesn't need to.

koogs, Monday, 19 August 2013 12:11 (twelve years ago)

Well to be honest he should have JUST MADE A FUCKING DECISION by now.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:15 (twelve years ago)

Come the fuck in, or fuck the fuck off as it were.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:15 (twelve years ago)

(and now I have this sinking feeling that I've made a pop culture reference, and a further reference kind of related to this subject, both of which I'll have to explain at length, probably)

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:17 (twelve years ago)

The mind-erasing thing and the date rape drug were two different things. The latter was used in a scene where Owen goes to a bar, tries to flirt with a woman, but she tells him to forget about it. He then sprays the woman with this alien chemical he nicked from the Torchwood office, and all of a sudden she wants to leave with him so they can go and fuck. As they leave the bar, the woman's boyfriend runs after them and asks what the hell is going on. After a bit of fighting, Owen sprays the guy with the chemical too, and now he wants to fuck Owen too, so they go and have a threesome. By the end of the episode Owen returns the drug to where it belongs, but the moral of the story is just "don't use Torchwood stuff on your free time!", not "date rape is wrong, even if you use an alien aphrodisiac!".

(xxxpost)

Tuomas, Monday, 19 August 2013 12:17 (twelve years ago)

Ah, then ignore what I said. That sounds like typical Rusty Wrongness though.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:29 (twelve years ago)

This show is so good at switching between genuine entertainment and FUCK YOU, RUSTY at the drop of a hat

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:40 (twelve years ago)

except for Miracle Day, which was just a season-long slide into FUCK YOU, RUSTY

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:41 (twelve years ago)

And then a 5 minute slide into a GIANT EARTH VAGINA

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:41 (twelve years ago)

it is amazing how enraging that is STILL

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:42 (twelve years ago)

like obviously we were supposed to be sitting there going "oh my god, this is amazing" and all I kept thinking was "once you fall back on the giant earth vagina, you've completely run out of ideas"

I'm just surprised he didn't have Jack and Gwen make out in front of it

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:44 (twelve years ago)

I suspect Tuomas thinks this is all an elaborate ruse involving fake spoilers.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:47 (twelve years ago)

(also Tuomas, Jack as a character verges on being a sexual predator so, while disappointing, it's not really a surprise that his takeaway from Owen using Torchwood stuff to boff a couple on his own time would be "don't do that outside of the office" because there's an unspoken subtext that Jack would rather they lure people down to the Torchwood base and pass them around the team)

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:49 (twelve years ago)

(also Tuomas has seen Rusty's Doctor Who, a series which features a jokey ending to an episode about a man being sucked off by a sentient paving slab.)

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 12:52 (twelve years ago)

Well yeah, but that was shown to be consensual, and it was actually kind of a sweet moment.

Tuomas, Monday, 19 August 2013 13:00 (twelve years ago)

consensual pavement sucking

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 19 August 2013 13:02 (twelve years ago)

I like how that post makes it look like the entire episode is about a man being sucked off by a sentient paving slab and that said episode is ruined by a jokey ending

Given Rusty, that's probably how he initially wanted the episode written

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:04 (twelve years ago)

pavement love and monsters

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 19 August 2013 13:05 (twelve years ago)

Love and Abrasions

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:05 (twelve years ago)

Paving slab BJ (RTD) versus lesbian lizard tongue-whip (Moffat), who wins?

aldi young dudes (suzy), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:05 (twelve years ago)

Moffat

Moffat could have Zwarte Piet as a recurring character and he would still win

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:08 (twelve years ago)

HOOT!

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 13:09 (twelve years ago)

Paving slab BJ (RTD) versus lesbian lizard tongue-whip (Moffat), who wins?

Phil Sandifer on sexism, Davies vs Moffatt: http://philsandifer.tumblr.com/post/58442753222/moffat-and-feminism-a-rough-draft-of-a-viewpoint

a solitary sext (sic), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:57 (twelve years ago)

Barbara wasn't middle-aged, was she? I thought she and Ian were late 20s, early 30s at the most.

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 16:59 (twelve years ago)

lol looking up the actors' ages, both were a good 5-10 years older than I thought they were when they were on the show

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 17:07 (twelve years ago)

The history of subsequent female companions can hardly be called any better. No matter how lofty their intentions, they all ended up the same way. Let’s take a brief tour of the post-Susan female companions, or, more accurately, their fates. Married off hastily, as a last-minute replacement for a plot where she’d have died; died; died; mind-raped and dumped in London; hastily written out after only appearing in two episodes of her last story, last seen being told to look after the male companion who was also departing; given six episodes of 1960s torture porn before she sobbingly asks to leave because she can’t take it anymore; mind-raped into forgetting all her adventures with the Doctor.

Well, this is total shite of course. Post Susan:

Returned to London at about the time she left
Stays in Ancient Greece to stay with a soldier (NB she is a teenager who has been rescued originally from an abusive guy keeping her on a planet through a fake rescue plan)
Actually dies
SARA KINGDOM
goes to visit her Aunt, doesn't return
Is left exactly where she started
Decides to leave after a harrowing adventure to stay with a family the likes of which she never knew
Returns to where she started, but with no memory of her adventures

In other words, a bit of an agenda in the interpretation.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 21:27 (twelve years ago)

so wait, is Barbara listed as died or mind-raped

OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY (DJP), Monday, 19 August 2013 21:31 (twelve years ago)

To put the other spin on it, to cover Ben and Jamie:

Hastily written out after only appearing in two episodes of his last story, last seen being told to look after the female companion who was also departing
Mind raped into forgetting all his adventures with the Doctor

So Steven is the only companion that has an 'acceptable' departure according to him in 6 years. Maybe suggests the problem isn't with the show.

xpost Looking back now, I don't think Ian and Barbara count in his list

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 21:34 (twelve years ago)

Torchwood becomes less about sex starting in Season 2, which had something to do with being moved in timeslots or channels or ...?

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Monday, 19 August 2013 21:35 (twelve years ago)

Less Rusty.

Troughton-masked Replicant (aldo), Monday, 19 August 2013 21:37 (twelve years ago)

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I actually like Rusty, esp. vs. Moffatt.

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Monday, 19 August 2013 21:37 (twelve years ago)

And, I actually think Miracle Day was kinda ... amazing. In a good, entertaining way.

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 09:35 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

Almost finished with "Miracle Day," but first a "Children of Earth" question:

SPOILERS START
Did the aliens have any reason to establish a link through Clem? I mean, aside from creating a vulnerable point through which they could be killed?
END SPOILERS

Shannon Leeedles (Leee), Sunday, 22 September 2013 05:26 (twelve years ago)


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