Orson Scott Card: Ban teh gay marriage! Overthrow teh US!

given the gay, almost romantic, undertones of a book like Songmaster...........

Oh--and on his home page he wants you to call him "Uncle Orson".

Well, I can't say I'm too sorry right now I haven't read any of his books...

I think, in retrospect, the word romantic may be wrong. Maybe tragedy. Enough. Back to politics.

Aunt Orson

Uncle Arsehole

Well, he found his role in life.

wait, how did I miss that OSC was crazy

Oh he's been off the deep end for a while. Maybe he stared at the twin Hugo/Nebula set too long.

I knew this guy was awful the first time one of my jr. high school friends tried to convince me how great Ender's Game was by reading several passages aloud.

Ender's Game was great, though! The problem was that he wrote sequels.

Speaker for the Dead still (mostly) holds up but anything after that, yikes.

Also it doesn't really seem like a book that lends itself to being read out loud; totally different animal but I wouldn't read any Gibson aloud to someone as evidence he's great, either.

ok so orson scott card...

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/06/Orson.scott.card.JPG

....

i mean

come ON

haa

But homosexual “marriage” is an act of intolerance. It is an attempt to eliminate any special preference for marriage in society — to erase the protected status of marriage in the constant balancing act between civilization and individual reproduction.

So if my friends insist on calling what they do “marriage,” they are not turning their relationship into what my wife and I have created, because no court has the power to change what their relationship actually is.

Instead they are attempting to strike a death blow against the well-earned protected status of our, and every other, real marriage.

They steal from me what I treasure most, and gain for themselves nothing at all. They won’t be married. They’ll just be playing dress-up in their parents’ clothes.

Are his books this funny?

no but they are pretty gay

But homosexual “marriage” is an act of intolerance
special preference
But homosexual “marriage” is an act of intolerance
special preference
But homosexual “marriage” is an act of intolerance
special preference
But homosexual “marriage” is an act of intolerance
special preference
But homosexual “marriage” is an act of intolerance
special preference
But homosexual “marriage” is an act of intolerance
special preference
But homosexual “marriage” is an act of intolerance
special preference

that shirt

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1318/1405452512_917e56004f.jpg

XD

i just know i've seen this guy hiding in a bush at griffith park before

just a lonely guy thinkin baout the constant balancing act between civilization and individual reproduction.

I knew he was gone. Really gone. I hadn't realized how FAR gone.

This would be hysterically funny except homophobia isn't really funny.

Here's where I say Ender's Game is really overrated book too.

Click here to buy this book from Amazon.com

um...

Horatio brought him his sword. "Laertes is looking for you," he said.

"I don't have time for Laertes. He must know I didn't mean to kill his father," Hamlet said.

never mind the homophobia he should be lynched for those attributions

(but yeah the evil gay dad rewrite is mindboggling)

Both those sentences should start with the word "dude".

The purpose is to present Taming of the Shrew in a way that recovers, not the original text of Shakespeare’s play, but the original experience of it—a fast-moving, instantly comprehensible, pun- and bawdy-filled, ironic, self-parodying comedy with a legitimate moral lesson about the relationship between man and woman in marriage.

The experience of the text without the original text. I see.

i wonder what his evergreen meetings are like.

i actually met this guy when i was like 10 and we had an argument about tolkien (him pro, me con) and then he signed my copy of speaker for the dead with what i'm pretty sure is "to theon: a child-rearing guide" and i didn't (and don't) remember the book very well so i've never had any idea what he meant by that, but as the years passed and his moralism became less moral it's made me :(er and :(er

some weird tense decisions in that post, sorry

Here's where I say Ender's Game is really overrated book too

Out. (I'm actually surprised by some of the ways that the book has been both criticized and celebrated as pro-war, when surely the core is that war is not only abusive to better feelings in humanity but, in the context of the book, is essentially child abuse, or perhaps in a more nuanced way, the abuse of adolescent feelings of rage in the context of power structure and interpersonal politics in the classroom and beyond, how those feelings can then be exploited for immoral, hateful ends. That kind of insight makes Card's collapse into a hectoring fool all that much more blackly comic and depressing.)

I can't actually imagine the kind of sick mind that reads Hamlet and goes "yup this needs a subtext of child molestation" to really pop. That's real creativity for you.

it's even worse than that because if we take the "now you'll know what's really going on" line at face value, he apparently thinks that all this is subtextually present in the original? which i don't know like i find it really hard to believe he believes that. who would believe that.

I'm not surprised by that criticism/celebration at all. The book is a lot more ambivalent about war than you are giving it credit for.

xp you don't remember the reveal where Horatio actually killed Claudius? It's subtle, but it's definitely in there.

talk about casual slaughters

We learn that Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are now "as fusty and peculiar as an old married couple. I pity the woman who tries to wed her way into that house."

always wondered about those two

Anyway I'm not meh about the book for its politics. Card's just not that good a writer.

xp It makes Hamlet's decision to off them much easier to understand.

yeah it sort of revels in the romanticism of war iirc? it's been forever since i've read it.

i think the takeaway from all this is that mormonism is an ugly and dangerous religion cult that ruins actual human lives and potential every day.

Hamlet is damned for all the needless death he inflicts, and Dead Gay Dad will now do gay things to him for the rest of eternity: "Welcome to Hell, my beautiful son. At last we'll be together as I always longed for us to be."

Dave Sim's Hamlet rewrite where Hamlet spends a lot of time venting about his ex-wife also far better.

Kyle Baker's Hamlet re-write in Cowboy Wally really can't be topped imho

http://www.zompist.com/illo/wally.gif

Apparently all of this started because OSC had some kind of dispute with some gay people he worked with in the theater in the early Seventies.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

He was a theater nerd who was surprised gay people might have the same interest in the subject? This is some goddamn metatextual Book of Mormon crap here.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

uh, it's pretty apparent to me OSC is extremely closeted/conflicted and another victim/perpetrator/casualty of lds mind/body/emotion control.

If only he held elected office, then we'd know for sure by now.

Sim no contest as he is an actual master of his medium

was, sadly - Glamourpuss suggests that the stroke he healed with prayer a few years back has taken huge parts of his ability to assess a page design

Orson's publisher coughs and looks embarrassed:

http://subterraneanpress.com/index.php/2011/09/07/a-note-on-hamlets-father/

"This book isn't our fault. Really. Send your hate mail to Tor and the SFBC instead. However, your call opinions are still very important to us, so stay on the line for the next available representative .

is there an ephemera band named Midshipman's Hope yet?

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/paleofuture/files/2012/07/orson-scott-card-sm-300x180.jpeg

Nothing about the gays?

full "prediction" is here

Card in light of further boycotts: 'Uh never mind, sorry. Also stop being mean to me.'

Yeah, he's in for a fun year once the flick comes out and more word spreads

Now it will be interesting to see whether the victorious proponents of gay marriage will show tolerance toward those who disagreed with them when the issue was still in dispute.

you mean are they gonna threaten war and demand your heads on a plate? no. because they are not crazy bigoted fuckheads. sorry to disappoint.

It's so hilariously pathetic -- all the posing all these years and now he's all "Um, yeah, constitution, sorry." Where's your civil war now, jerkface?

And from FB my friend Brook put it best:

“When [Orson Scott] Card dies, I hope there is a Speaker for the Dead for him, who will explain to the world that, even if he did write some cool books, he was a deeply shitty person with sadly depraved ethics when it comes to gay people, among other groups.”

Man, this is such a great write-up

...Indeed, it will be interesting to see whether gay marriage proponents choose to show tolerance to the people whose intolerance is in their very nature—who cannot help but call for the destruction of any government that would support gay marriage, or suggest that “the dark secret” of homosexuality is that it’s often the product of “rape or molestation or abuse”—yet find themselves shamed for these uncontrollable urges, as society tells them they’re wrong.

Sadly for Card, we may not yet have reached that more enlightened era, when homophobes are allowed to live freely without fear of their movies suffering a slight dip in profits. Nevertheless, Card is here, he hates queers, and he suggests you get used to it in time for the movie’s premiere.

Lionsgate: "Card's a jerkface bigot. But you can love the movie! We'll host an LGBT benefit premiere!"

http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/07/lionsgate-denounces-nom-orson-scott.html

I really just

Ha

yeah Ender's Game has nothing to do with homophobia, just run-of-the-mill militarist fascism.

positive and inspiring characters who ultimately deliver an ennobling and life-affirming message.

this would be the story about the kid who's tricked by the military into committing genocide, after a life of being abused and bullied and manipulated by everyone he knows? oh, not to mention his sociopathic brother who ends up taking over the world.

haven't read 'ender's game' since my early teens and have no desire at all to defend OSC as a writer since everything else i've read by him has been pretty awful, but the distance between the message i remember it seeming to convey and the mean-spirited lunatic card has become is pretty vast.

a 72 harrison ford w/ this haircut is the most insane aspect of all this

http://media2.onsugar.com/files/2013/07/17/926/n/1922283/dc9e7616a2afcf02_thumb_temp23875021374095437.xlarge/i/Ender-Game-Movie-Posters.jpg

72 (yr old)

lol @ a 72 harrison ford like hes a car tho

is that the nazi haircut all the kids have these days

It's a girl my lord in a flatbed (Harrison) Ford

Millenium Ford Falcon

Other fun!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/08/14/orson_scott_card_worries_about_obama_turning_urban_gangs_into_his_personal.html

haha it's even better than that headline indicates:

But wait. Let's think about this. Is there any way that Barack Obama could remain president forever, the way Putin has held on to power in Russia?

In his years as president, the national media have never challenged Obama on anything. His lies and mistakes are unreported or quickly forgotten or explicitly denied; his critics are demonized.

It's hard to imagine how American press coverage would be different if Obama were a Hitler- or Stalin-style dictator, except of course that everyone at Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, and the Rhinoceros Times would be in jail. Or dead.

So as a science fiction writer and a student of history, allow me to spin a plausible scenario about how, like Augustus Caesar, Napoleon Bonaparte, Adolph Hitler, and Vladimir Putin, Barack Obama could become lifetime dictator without any serious internal opposition.

"better"

Is he friends with Dave Sim?

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/19/orson_scott_cards_unconscionable_defense_of_genocide/

Rachel Edidin on Card: "Mentor, Friend, Bigot" One of the best I've read this year.

what a weirdly empty-seeming movie this is... there seem to be like, kids aside, five people who work for the entire earth military? harrison ford has to do like 20 different jobs, from head school guy to top general to flight attendant?

and there's like no dramatic tension at all... robotic little ender is the best at everything... and everyone knows he's the best... then he proves he's the best... and is the best

ha!

I wish I were around for that conversation about Card being a repressed weirdo to ask if anyone read Lost Boys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Boys_%28novel%29

It is very much the work of a sexually repressed Mormon weirdo.

"empty" otm, not just in population but kinda in incident. v strange lurching rhythm imparted to it by ender's incessant promotions. every day he seemed to wake with a new rank.

so many scenes of harrison ford and viola davis talking in weirdly empty rooms, don't these people have staffers or anything

maybe the whole thing is just their vigilante project, like in pacific rim (but they had staffers)

aging veteran and his younger thrall occupy abandoned space station, begin kidnapping children for humanity's last stand

not a lot of movies w zero-g action tho so i liked those scenes even if the game was sub-quidditch.

ya i never really figured what dude's masterful strategy was besides like "go float somewhere and shoot everyone" but it was a cool enviro

they should have watched some pro starcraft matches and tried to make a movie that felt like that

in the sense of being able to follow the tactics as action i mean

feel like all the heralded battle scenes in cinema are mostly abt conveying the gruntlevel chaos (the more urgent project so whatever) but there aren't a lot that convey the perspective of the generals? and this was supposed to be a movie abt a tactical genius so. maybe kubrick's napoleon woulda. the main thing that's coming to mind is the shot of the herd of sheep in love amd death.

movies are still congratulating themselves for eisenstein putting one side on the left and the other on the right

anyway i felt a lil guilty abt seeing this but i was invited by the same friends i was friends with in 7th grade, ender era, so the pull was strong

A good read here

https://sarahgailey.substack.com/p/personal-canons-drinking-from-a-poisoned