So you've never ever taken drugs... but WHY?

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I've never taken an illegal substance (including the semi-illegal cannabis).

how many of you have never taken drugs, and for what reasons? what argument can you put against them, if indeed you do have any argument against them?

and can we have something a bit more illuminating then 'just not my cup of tea'.

i've never taken drugs. i've never really been offered any. if i was i doubt i'd participate.

is doing drugs something - as a lot of users and former users suggest - something everyone should experience at least once? what do you reckon?

Wyndham Earl, Tuesday, 26 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Any I haven't had I simply haven't been able to get. This is what comes from having nerdy friends. There are a couple I wouldn't be all that keen to try because I'm concerned I'd enjoy it too much.

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 26 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have never taken any illegal drugs except for cannabis a few times in the past. This is mostly to do with fear: (1) my mentality/grasp on reality seems shaky enough that I don't want to mess with it (2) the possible legal cost. This inexperience means that I try to be careful not to argue against drug use because really, I wouldn't know what I was talking about.

isadora, Tuesday, 26 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've been around enough situations where I could have easily indulged if I so chose, from a fairly wide variety of consumables. Never really interested. I'm sure it's derived from a fair amount of anti-drug fear and loathing propaganda from My Young Days, but honestly it doesn't really mesh with my personality anyway. I get high off of air.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

please define drugs further than legal or illegal. Have you ever drank an alcoholic beverage?? Do you use caffeine or nicotine? I have one friend who recently took his first small sips of alcohol (at age 31). Very rare indeed.

Ron, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Alcohol's not a drug - it's a drink.

N., Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I had older brothers who became sadistic dolts when high. I don't think that mine is an uncommon story either.

Colin Meeder, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What Ned said (but fewer opportunities, I suspect, i.e. just one). I have never once thought I would like to 'try' it.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

er, well as i defined earlier, ronan, ILLEGAL drugs. yes, drugs that are illegal. drugs = illegal etc. i find that whole 'hey, TEA is a drug too you know' so unbelievably fucking tedious and childish.

Wyndham Earl, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Has Ronan become Ron?

N., Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

what about cake?

mark s, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've done cake.

It was very tasty.

RickyT, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mmmmm, Joss Ackland's spunky backpack - sweeeeeeeeeeet

chris, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

RickyT's Shatner's Bassoon will soon be shrivelled.

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The doctors are already referring to it as Shatners Oboe.

RickyT, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like cakes, because I can check the best by date and stuff like that.

jel --, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And a cup of tea is the perfect accompaniment.How do you spell that? I'm having difficulty even saying it.

Jonnie, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My ex-boyfriend never did ANYTHING. He thought it was very stupid and would go into extreme scenarios of addicts and everything. He took a sip of my wine one night and practically spit all over me he thought it was so disgusting. One night when we went out he decided he would have a shot of zambucca. He SIPPED this shot. The other boys ridiculed him considering his girlfriend downed her shot. He got very angry and defensive. I don't think there is a point to this.

Evangeline, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

= better than drugs.

fucking genius.

Wyndham Earl, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The only *illegal* drug I've tried was marijuana (and I never felt a thing, unless you count a contact high at an REM concert that only made me paranoid).

Why I've never tried anything else:

1) In school (and to this day) I was so much of an outcast that I couldn't even hook up with the Goth contingent. I've never known anyone who possessed drugs and would discuss this with me. 2) I've been depressed as far back as I can remember, and have generally trusted the notion that drugs would only mess me up more (not that I ever let it stop me from drinking alcohol). 3) From what I've read about the various drugs (from sources such as erowid.org), the experiences never seemed interesting enough to outweight the side effects, legal risks, and expense. 4) Any drug use in "the Washington, DC scene" is deep undercover. The rather puritanical atmosphere generally is attributed to Fugazi and/or their more zealously straight-edge fans.

That said, drugs have something of a glamour for me, *because* I didn't do anything of that sort as a teenager. And very often I find myself thinking of my current life, "if this is moderation can intoxication be all that bad?"

j.lu, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ok, I'll be the first one to admit I've done drugs... plenty of them.

Sean, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've never taken hallucinogenics. I fear them.

Anna, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(alan provides a chilling warning of too many cakes! :)

jel --, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't know. I smoke hash regularly enough, but I never seem to buy it myself. I don't really see the fuss about it, alcohol is way more altering. And I take ecstacy regularly at the moment. I'd never say it's something everyone should experience once, however it does bug me in a contrarian way when people I know are like "oh that stuff is shit you idiot", when quite plainly it's not, at least for me.

I suppose I might have been tempted to say to friends who loved dance music and came out with me "oh hey try this", but we all kind of gradually discovered it anyway. Since then other friends who were against drugs have tried out E too, and I feel slightly guilty about that, it's a sort of implicit peer pressure. I mean noone's telling them to do it, but when me and 6 other friends go to see Darren Emerson or whatever and spend the whole week talking about it, I can see how they're tempted. That is to say, I feel guilty because with a different circle of friends they might never try it. But I don't even believe trying it is so bad, so eh.....go figure.

Ronan, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My friends don't take drugs, and I don't care enough to seek them out, and I don't have the money anyway. (I haven't been able to buy a CD all month and I'm dying). I think I might try things if I had the opportunity sometimes, but it's not something I think about much so I don't know quite waht I'd do.

Maria, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Drugs make me happy..while they aren't for everybody I think experimentation is a good thing..anything else I have to say would make me a hypocrite.

kevin enas, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Because Mr. T told me not to a long time ago! Case closed!

Andy K, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I had never even had more than a sip of alcohol until about two years ago, since I used to be allergic to it (I no longer am, but my lifetime consumption is still probably less than the total amount of liquid I drink in a given day)--still not really used to it, although I understand it's very popular with writers. I've smoked pot once (in Amsterdam, where it was legal!), and hated it--I got no effect other than a nasty ashy taste in my throat that took a day to go away.

I always figured that since I wasn't a terribly body-centered person, all I had to rely on were my sensory perceptions, and I'd better not do anything to distort them. I've also seen friends who were very fond of recreational drugs screw up their lives badly and permanently with them, and figured I might as well not bother with 'em.

I do regret not having wasted a bit more of my youth, though--I find druggies awful to be around, but many ex-users are really interesting and cool.

Douglas, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i wouldn't take junk cos i've seen what it can do to people. i wouldn't snort coke cos it doesn't interest me. i wouldn't do speed cos i don't even like caffeine! i wouldn't do ecstasy cos i'm scared i might fuck it up and die. have done acid, mushrooms and love it, love hallucinating. have done marijuana, its okay occasionally but when i smoke it too much i turn into a moron and a lazy shit and get a bit depressed.

di, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm a regular pot smoker -it's part of my routine- but I radically self-titrate. I probably smoke a joint's worth or less in a week. I actually do suggest it; this may just be rationalization, but I think with the small amount I do the negative health effects might be outbalanced by the benefits of eliminating all that stress. Plus I've ordered a vaporizer, so that might help too.

I've never understood the, um, pish-toshing of those that think it is unreasonable to not differentiate between legal and illegal drugs. As if the fact that a drug is illegal somehow makes it worse for you? Like, was beer worse for one during prohibition? I just don't get it.

Dan I., Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've done lots of stuff but I have to be honest and say the reason I don't really now is because I'm an idealist and I like the joke of being innocent. I love it when other people get high. I encourage it. I can preserve my innocence and be evil at the same time. If I'm completely entirely honest I have to say that I like it when people sometimes get high, not when it's every day, which is a grinding bore. I mean at first it's cool when your friend adores you and you can't interrupt them or get your point across and it's so fucking amusing, and thank god we're not bourgeois! And then after a while it's like, hey, when are you going to cook dinner for me and do the dishes, you selfish bastard.

maryann, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Alcohol's not a drug - it's a drink.
you go on believing this, I suppose...

er, well as i defined earlier, ronan, ILLEGAL drugs. yes, drugs that are illegal. drugs = illegal etc
I asked you to define it further, which apparently you can't (or won't). Oh well. (and no, Ronan has not turned into Ron, I am not Ronan - not that I'd mind - I like Ronan :-)

i find that whole 'hey, TEA is a drug too you know' so unbelievably fucking tedious and childish.
sorry, I didn't know my question was so offensive. For me, currently, caffeine and nicotine totally wig me out. I can get a big anxiety wave come over me just from smelling coffee in the supermarket. What I don't get is what's the hangup with legal/illegal?? The only concern is going to jail if you get arrested. But in terms of what the DRUG DOES TO YOUR BODY it is totally 100% irrelevant.

Ron, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey Dan, do you mean vaporizer like the bong-like contraption where you push the button and an electric (car cig lighter type) element toasts your weed?? Those are sooo cool. My friend used to have one years ago and it was lots of fun... I wish I was still an herb smoker sometimes but I can't handle it if there are people anywhere around me...

Ron, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As far as I can tell, a vaporizer heats the weed until all the thc is vaporized (and you can inhale it) without actually burning it (so you don't inhale all that extraneous plant matter).

Dan I., Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ronan, the entire SOCIAL CONTEXT is different for one thing. and i guess this is where you might find the nub of the debate. or part of it.

heroin might not be consumed in the same situations and amongst the same sort of people as hash, but neither is hash (at least at the moment) necessarily consumed in the same way as, say, beer.

i'm not looking at an axis of strength/potency/mind-altering properties etc (although i am afraid you cannot deny that this too forms part of the debate, drugs are commonly illegal because they ARE (like durr) stronger than tea, coffee etc) as i am interested in the reasons people will shy away specifically from illegal substances.

yes beer is worse than pot (supposedly, i wouldn't know... that's kind of why i started the thread), yes if alcohol had been invented last week it would have banned. these are not arguments that are either insightful or relevant to this debate.

sorry if it sounds like i'm being picky...

Wyndham Earl, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Er.........

Ronan, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Have tried various, though not for years, and I wish I hadn't. Total sum of experience = dud and not worth the bother. Whole drugs ritual - scoring, sitting around *taking* them and then being *on* them is inbelievably boring and shit. People on drugs scene (that I met) largely = worthless wankers.

I do like a pint, though.

Dr. C, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dont agree with you entirley WE, drugs are commonly illegal because of moral/social/emotional crap,or self interest not science and though in saying that thealcohol/dope debate is not as clear cut as you make it . Something everyone should experience at least once? No- of course not! News Flash: Not all Drugs are the same!!!!!! Cannabis experimentation= non issue Other stuff that Ive tried is not generally hallucagenic-speed, e, coke but the old cliche about what goes up must come down rings true, and the higher you go the further you fall. All depends on your genes/personality/emotional wellbeing on how far you go back down... - (though downers are an interesting challenging experience in themselves.) take the gamble if youre up for it, but man I admire those of you who have never touched anything. Are you bo-ring ? Nah very sensible I reckon, we liked to fool ourselves that it was something oh so spiritual, now I can only groan at our naivety. Still no regrets, loads of fun -just shallow fun.Dont want to sound like Ghandi or anything as Im not all that deep myself but "drugs" are ultimatley bo-ring in their own selfish way. Whatever does it for you though, who am I to judge?

kiwi, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

W.E. - thanks for explaining your point of view a bit further. But really, I swear, I'm not Ronan :-)

Ron, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

well you all look the bloody same to me.

Wyndham Earl, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Uh, drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Mr Mackey, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four months pass...
a lot of people seem to think that you can overdose and die from ecstasy quite easily, but in reality, most od's &/or deaths from e happened because the substance in the pill was some other substance that is cheaper to produce &/or should not be mixed with ecstasy.

whoa, long sentence...

RaViNg LuNaTiC, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Alcohol's not a drug - it's a drink.
Cocaine ain't a drug, it's a powdah.

nathalie, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

can we put to rest the myth of the contact high?

people smoking weed at an REM concert = hilarious

i've never tried it, it's just not my kind of thing = bad science

bc, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i dont think id be able to make it all the way through an REM concert without lighting up a tree.

chaki, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sounds like a waste of weed, mayne

bc, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

drugs/etc as signifiers of social groups/subcultures (haha "artifacts to have experiences around" YES!) are grebt.

Ess Kay, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

can we put to rest the myth of the contact high?

people smoking weed at an REM concert = hilarious

*shrug* The people right in front of me were smoking hand-rolled cigarettes, and the area smelled of marijuana smoke. Later that evening I came to feel agitated and paranoid, and wound up prowling the concourse. While that experience of mine may have been predicated on what you call the "myth" of second-hand pot smoke, it was more than I ever felt on the several subsequent times I tried smoking grass.

j.lu, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the effects you describe are in fact from second-hand REM exposure!

bc, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven years pass...

can't imagine going to an REM show and NOT having a spliff beforehand tbh

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