Is it wrong to ANTICIPATE Ryan Murphy's new show GLEE?

So, hit all my guilty pleasure spots tonight. I was really not looking to add this show to my list, but I guess I'll be watching it next season. Anyone else?

I'm waiting for it to premiere here on the west coast...

I should've liked this, but didn't. Dunno what it was about that didn't sit right either, but I don't ever judge a show solely on its pilot episode. I'll pick it up again in the fall and see what's what.

looking forward to seeing this

Nip/Tuck turned pretty much completely to shit after the first two seasons, so I don't have great hopes for this.

god nip/tuck turned so laughable (not that it wasn't ridic to begin with but it was fun ridic). the last episode I saw had a guy with a fetish for inanimate objects fucking a couch

Didn't hate this. I'll give it a few episodes.

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Offering up a clue as to whether or not romance will blossom, the actor slips into character long enough to deliver a bit of Finn’s dialogue from the second episode: “It’s really strange. I can’t stop thinking about Rachel. I really dig her in a Swimfan kind of way and her body is smokin’… if you’re not into boobs!”

We watched this again tonight (wife hadn't seen it yet) on Hulu. It's really cute. We like it a lot.

I loved the tangential visual commentary throughout. Smart stuff. It feels like an HBO-ish attempt to create a hipper High School Musical. I just hope the jock doesn't represent a "normality" around which all the other characters/types revolve.

Hop on AIM, Kevin, so we can chat about it!

I liked it, I don't know how far the plot can carry the show but I do plan on watching this fall.

I know it's just the pilot but did anyone else think this felt like your standard dance/musical movie squashed into a one-hour episode? They shouldn't have gone with the Glee club getting so good by the end there - it almost seems like they might be setting up their success a little too early. Also I really hope they get rid of the multiple voiceovers as the pacing was all over the place. Maybe they could go with one character voiceover per episode.

love the whole concept otherwise - it really is cute! I like most of the characters already. Plus I'm still missing the pathetic sweetness of Pushing Daisies and this seems like it could be a good replacement.

The voiceover thing is the typical pilot convenience that will dropped by episode 3 or so, I would bet.

I didn't hate the voiceovers.

Guys, Glee kicked some ass tonight.

Yessssssssss

I'm kinda crushing a little on Rachel.

this was AMAZING to watch stoned. or, um, so i'm told.

irony of the night: girl who sang the last song was TOTALLY not gleeful. in the least.

ok this show! still dying at the "accident" visual cue.

hahaha yes, it's a good sign that even the obvious jokes are still hilarious; I also like the nuance in the portrayal of some of the scenarios, like the obvious conflict going on within the shrewish wife

It feels kind of ballsy for the show to make the lead character married and then set up a separate love interest, even if the wife is portrayed as the most despicable person ever.

As long as her sister exists, the wife can't possibly be the most despicable person ever!

Also <3 Jane Lynch:
"That was the most offensive thing I’ve seen in 20 years of teaching -- and that includes an elementary school production of Hair."

she is fucking fantastic

yeah Jane Lynch was at her Jane Lynch-iest - so amazing

"How much does it cost per page to make copies?"
"SEVENTEEN CENTS"

Rachel: I'm not bulimic. I tried, but i guess i don't have a gag reflex.
Emma: When you're older, you'll find that will be a gift.

I want to like this.

However... two storylines where neurotic women pine after hapless nice guys who are already taken by shrill, manipulative blond bitches is overkill, and also forced and lazy. (Yeah, they're obviously meant to parallel, but give the characters actual distinct personalities first, plz.)

The cheerleader bitch isn't shrill and the quarterback isn't hapless. Also, you're completely ignoring the coach's pursuit of OCD counselor.

And if you think show choir diva and OCD counselor are interchangeable... um well basically I suggest actually watching the show as opposed to making up stuff based on commercials.

true, the diva & the counselor aren't exactly interchangeable, but they both represent the same thing to the male leads, ie chasing their dreams, the weirdness of loving show choir over more conventional masculine pursuits

it's a bit snide to suggest that I haven't watched it. of course I have, and I generally liked it, but I'm a bit worried about the laziness of the storylines & characterization

I think that's an unnecessarily superficial reading of a show that's already pretty shallow! The read on the adult relationship is pretty accurate but I don't think that's what is going on with the kids at all.

The kid relationship is pretty much cookie-cutter popular/unpopular TV dynamics with the added wrinkle of the popular kid mainly liking her because she seems to be willing to put out; once his chaste girlfriend pops back into the picture, the unpopular girl fades away.

ok, fair enough, perhaps I'm being "unnecessarily superficial" about the admittedly shallow teenage love triangle. that's definitely a more interesting read of the situation. but I still reserve my concern that it all felt a bit too labored, which is kind of a drag for a show that's supposed to be so fun and buoyant (that's what it says on the tin).

I'm not sure which sense of "labored" you mean; are you talking plotwise (ie, events are too far-fetched) or actingwise (ie, the portrayals aren't convincing)?

plotwise (I like the actors). for example, the diva's sudden grand passion for the jock seemed rushed. also, the wife and the cheerleader girlfriend are such unlikable caricatures that it reduces the dramatic tension, because there's no conflict, no question of who we should root for.

and yeah, it's not so much a grand passion as a teenage crush, but I still think it's overplayed

I think that instead of setting up the conflicts as Character A V. Character B., Glee is setting them up as conflicts for the protagonist. The cheerleader and wife are clearly antagonists, but the dilemma isn't whether to root for them, but how our protagonists should deal with them. Ie; Instead of the tension being Do We Prefer OCD Girl or Wife, it's really, how should the teacher deal with a wife he doesn't feel intimate with, and is perhaps starting to realize is not the most wonderful person in the world, and weigh the feelings he may have with the OCD girl with the ideas of fidelity, family and honor. All the pressure of the plot is on him. The wife is just a foil for that.

And I don't see how they're overplaying the ingenue's crush on the football player. I get the impression she's outspoken, pretty sexually curious, and feels constrained by this small town she has to live in. When she gets to college, she'll probably forget Finn's name in a minute and a half, but for the meantime, she's into him.

I think they're dropping that somewhat with the wife and this whole hysterical pregnancy thing; she's clearly being influenced poorly by her sister in the previews but she clearly was going to come clean about the whole thing right before freaking out and lying, and she also clearly feels shitty about the whole situation. I do agree that the show could have done a better job of showing the bond between them and I felt like the beginning of that dinner scene started to show that.

The cheerleader is more explainable because it's been artistic convention for a while that the quarterback dates a hot cheerleader regardless of how shitty said cheerleader is; there's also hints under her harpy exterior that she has genuine feelings for him beyond being a checkbox on an accessory list, as hinted at in her proactive audition and the subsequent conversation with the Cheerios coach.

"And I'm going to get my boyfriend back."

"Yeah. I don't care so much about that."

hahaha yes

Can't say that I believed too strongly in the cheerleader's genuine feelings for her boyfriend. Her scheming in order to join show choir seemed more like plot mechanics (gets her and her cheerios in position for future conflict and hijinks with the glee club people) than an effort to give her emotional depth.

jesus people it's the second episode. let it live a little.

Well, glee girl crashed the celibacy club and undermined her in front of her boyfriend on her own turf; it makes some amount of sense that she'd try to get payback (and that she'd bring reinforcements with her). The depth bit is basically what I read into her portrayal during the scene where she begged not to be kicked off the Cheerios.

fair enough, Roz! I would love nothing more than for my concerns to be unfounded and for this show to be unreservedly awesome and lovable.

And also, whether or not the plot is unlikely, I lol'd so many times during this last episode.

I think reservations are good but if I disagree or find yours silly, I'll say so! I mean, my biggest fear is that the writing level is going to drop and we're going to be left with maniacal energy substituting for actual humor (part of this being driven by the fear that they will never top the gag reflex line).

Yes. I loved that. Made up for the fact that I was unfamiliar with most of the songs.

so glad I didn't find out they were doing REM before I saw the episode. I know "Losing My Religion" was a massive hit but O___O all the same.

should start a petition for them to do "Fall On Me"

holy hell, the Glee cast and directors (aside from the kid who plays Finn) really do not understand Rocky Horror

That was a trainwreck. And Mr. Shu is a pedo bear.

NO KIDDING

"It's inappropriate for a student to run around in gold panties on stage... I SHOULD DO IT"

fuck you, Glee writers

http://a.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/46736/GleeRockyHorror_jpg_595x325_crop_upscale_q85.jpg

so gross

I wanted to punch everyone related to that episode in the neck

this show is so clearly one of those "starts on fire, burns out fast" phenomenons like 'heroes' imo

big diff is that heroes got all tangled up in story when this show can just do "theme" episodes until the ratings drop

This episode was the first time I've actually experienced the "what the fuck are these people DOING to these songs" reaction

OK, I must be crazy, because I enjoyed the hell out of this.

most of the internet agrees with you

I'm also kind of startled and amazed that most of the internet apparently has never seen Rocky Horror and therefore doesn't realize that pretty much everyone except Finn and John Stamos was really, really terrible at interpreting these songs. Emma's "Touch-A Touch Me" was okay until she tried to sing "dirty" and Mercedes on "Sweet Transvestite" was just wrong on every conceivable level.

Mercedes on "Sweet Transvestite" was just wrong
Why was she not in drag for this song?!

They handwaved a bunch of stuff by saying "oh this is too risque for high school, we need to change some stuff around" and one of those handwaves was putting Mercedes in the surgical outfit a scene too early.

http://-pedowill.tumblr.com/

lol, this is what Puck learnt in Juvie -- playing "One Love" for dollars

what a thrilling episode!

I AM OBSESSED:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E46BhMIRujI&feature=player_embedded

lol is this actually what happens in this show? -- good performance anyhow, also ws chris colfer

pretty much, yes.

love how the implicit suggestion of this episode is that adult human beings in the Glee world are also obsessed with the bullshit nonsense minutiae of the Glee Club

"kurt, these last few weeks some things have gone down" *agreeable murmurs from the wedding crowd*

ya, way 2 hijack a fucking grown ass wedding, good-natured teenz

i posted about this in the r&b thread, but since i keep watching it i'll post it here

so r. kelly has been doing a clearly "glee" influenced version of his single "when a woman loves" during promo appearances for his new album

he did it at the end of this opening performance at the soul train awards (don't fall for the fake ending)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p3C7M_yYhw

and also on fallon the other night http://www.mrworldpremiere.net/2010/12/r-kelly-when-woman-loves-jimmy-fallon.html

& i love it

the soul train performance opens w/ a medley, which is why it's 8+ mins

:-O

It just keeps getting better!

sue was the perfect character for a grinch story, but i gotta say, beast stole it.

damn this show is even more incoherent than usual. "now we cut to the all-boys school, where they are singing destiny's child. for some reason."

Think Glee might be my favourite show ever but we're months behind so I'm not reading this thread.

So you don't have a child going - "download it now Dad, I caaaaaaannnnnnnnnn'tttttttttttt wait" ?

I'm a d/ling fascist thanks to our ISPs usage limits.

the guys in this show are really really dumb

and yet if they were smart glee club wouldn't be interesting

so like, i really liked this episode. between this and jim&pam getting drunk on the office a few weeks back, it seems like alcohol is the best way to liven up dull characterization.

blaine's twenty seconds of bisexuality was pretty sloppily done, tho.

I just found out that Kurt/Blaine shippers refer to them as "Kurt CoBlaine."

that is terrible, clearly it should be "blurt."

so i haven't seen this show for weeks but <3 rumours

love Santana singing Songbird

sad they didn't do second hand news tbh

http://www.avclub.com/articles/glee-live-gets-a-3d-movie-extra-exclamation-point,55553/

"Friday" cover was a pretty amazing pop moment. iTunes comments are pretty entertaining.

Ryan Murphy: What I have learned from this season is I think people want story arcs.

i would take the barest semblance of continuity at this point

So, I don't know if the movie PITCH PERFECT deserves its own thread, but it deserves one more than this TV show does.

Cory Monteith (Finn) is dead at the age of 31. http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/glee-star-cory-monteith-dead-at-31-report-1200562546/

whoa

Shit