Literary turnoffs

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In the fine tradition of the musical turnoffs thread, and inspired by Emma's mention of the dread J*nath*n L*v*gst*ne S*ag*ll in the partners stuff you still have thread: which books would act as a total turnoff if a potential object of yr affections declared an undying love for one of them?

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mein Kampf.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The same bloke also had an extensive range of Star Wars books explaining the biogs of various characters / history of the whole thing etc. and I coped with that for 3 years, proving that love is, if not blind, at least a bit mental.

(Ha ha he actually lent me JLS because I was going through a v. depressed patch and he thought it might help. Blimey.)

Emma, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I got roundly insulted due to reading Robert Rankin books @ age 16. I thought they were funny. Then again the person doing the insulting could barely read himself so I should have duly told him to do one rather than trying to defend them... I think a love of 'new age authors' might also succeed in me either taking them to a new bookshop or the DUMPER.

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"how to kill your boyfriend and get away with it"

jel --, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually I did at one point have a copy of a comic called 'Kill Yr Boyfriend'...

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

CELESTINE PROPHECY!!!

Alan T, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

boyfwiend has recently annoyed my by going through a pile of books i was gonna donate to the AI bookshop and filching Bret Easton Ellis and Anais Nin back out of it. both of whom i HATE (BEE too cocky by half and can't take the gore factor, AN just stabbable, frankly). he also has TOO MANY Beck biographies. apart from that he's got pretty good taste. i ph34r people judging me by my bookshelves though: loads of vegan cookbooks, Virago paperbacks, "the lesbian pillow book"...

katie, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i do have an audio book of "My Struggle" (mein kampf) but it is not that one. oh the hilarity. And this was a definite turn off...

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Alan T, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hardcore old-skool sf (Heinlein, that lot) and none of the more interesting stuff. I have friend who is total bore on this; it's just not something you'd want in your life. Those aggressive management books with titles like 'I'm a Winner: 223 Failsafe Strategies for Success in the Workplace and Beyond' that encourage you to make that stupid movement with your arm and hiss 'YES!!!' in a triumphalist manner whatever happens to you*, or chant 'Today's going to be a great day! I can realise my goals!' in the shower.

*see the odious Lee on learning of his eviction from BB3, or Tim Henman's pathetic attempts to gee himself up during Wimbledon.

Ellie, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A world of literary horror is coming slowly back to me as the SAME PERSON as above was responsible for forcing me to read (yes he did virtually stand over me and MAKE ME read it) the fecking Illuminatus nonsense thingy. Cripes. I really should have been more discerning.

Emma, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone who makes you read a book they've written themselves can fuck off

dave q, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...especially if it hasn't been published 'yet'

dave q, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Paulo Coelho joins the Nu Age rub club. And what of SOPHIES WORLD!

I am looking at my bookshelf now for turn-ons and turn-offs (frankly the sordid state of the rest of the room leaves this moot but oh well). Most notable plus is a copy of BLIMEY! with its big green title (well I would like it). Dodgiest areas: "THE HARD SELL" an air-punching book about marketing given me by my Dad; nasty book club editions copy of Lord of the Rings; Gordon Burn's horrid book about Fred West which needs to go to the s/h shop soon; "The New Oxford Guide To Writing", again never opened; several "X For Beginners" books which mark me as the pseud I am.

Tom, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'loads of vegan cookbooks, Virago paperbacks, "the lesbian pillow book"... ' work excellently as turnoffs for me, as does any 'woman' who uses the word 'boyfwiend' (or almost any other substitute for the word 'boyfriend').

I think that there are very few books worse than a complete lack of books. The Lord of the Rings is one of 'em, and any books compared on the back blurb to LotR are more of 'em.

Tim Bateman, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ppl with collections of 50-100 books, all by the same person, especially when all the editions look alike and look like they were won in a prize draw.

dave q, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Any self-help relationship type book, obv, but particularly any mentioning the words Mars, Venus or Rules. Ellie's on the money with the excess of Heinlein and yee-hah-salesman-gonna-sell-loads-today postive thinking books. Most things new agey (this doesn't include veganism or yoga, but does include most alternative therapies). The Celestine Prophecy is pretty much the zenith/nadir of these sort of thing and is likely to make me run screaming from the person in question.

As far as my own shelves are concerned, the obvious things people might find dodgy are my books on the tube map, the excess of computing gubbins and my collection of Tolkien stuff.

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Absolute nadir/zenith: Margaret Thatcher's autobiography.

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can forgive most things. But anyone owning more than one book by Nick Hornby would have to have some OUTSTANDING redeeming features for me to look at them twice.

Archel, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

as does any 'woman' who uses the word 'boyfwiend'

Well, that's a *lovely* way of putting it, isn't it?

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Slight thread mutation: books you have that you FEAR people will find and ridicule you for.

I have... wait for it... a Blakes 7 episode guide.

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!

In my *ahem* defence, I didn't buy it.

Alan T, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a Tom Baker Dr Who guide. Which Ktee bought for me.

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to have a book called Everything Men Know About Women, every page of which - wait for it - WAS BLANK. Hohohoho!

Archel, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

lucky i'm not fucking going out with Tim Bateman then isn't it, especially since pugnacious, discourteous little twats are also a huge turn off for me.

katie, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The joke is even extra funny cos a book of plank pages is referred to as "a dummy" (in the biz, doncha know, daaaaahlink)

Alan T, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Plank pages? Made of wood? Interesting concept darlink :)

Archel, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"plank pages" huhuh.

Surely that's a turn on though Archel, cos anyone who owns it is surely a feminist lezzer wahey!

(if there are any more relationship threads this week I will cry)

Graham, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not so much a turn-on as an opportunity to scribble offensive things in it. I didn't buy the book myself, incidentally, as I have a zero tolerance policy concerning the section in bookshops labelled Money For Old Rope.

Archel, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony Fucking Robbins or any of that self-improvement shit.

chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha ha, dave q, but what if they want you to read their zine?

rosemary, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's not the love for the books themselves that's the problem, people can read quietly, it's when they spout off all the communist stuff they find in them. (I mean communist literally, not as a vague slur.)

Maria, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Any ov THE LITTLE BOOK OF [insert something rub here]!!! (ie calm/stress/tao/bhuddism/pooh)

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've been given two of those kind of books Sarah. Perhaps people feel threatened?

Graham, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Little books of - this is so, so right.

People who have nothing but a few comedy books and a few tatty books they're had since childhood.

Who's Who, Debret's Peerage anything like that.

Anna, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Were you suitably repulsed by them/later proceeded to burn them?

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They were both from my Brother Noburu Wataya, so yes, though I haven't burnt them as they don't take up much space and have nice smooth covers that are nice to touch when I'm rummaging in my box.

Graham, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ooh who's been reading their Murakami then graham? ;)

katie, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no logo no logo no logo jesus christ definitely, presuming she was my age, No Logo. My ex girlfriend had a copy I have realised, this hasn't helped us become friends. I have yet to find out what books my current love interest has. Of course I'll let all ver lads down the boozer know when I've found out WHAT BOOKS SHE HAS know what I mean? Wahey! (joke)

Ronan, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh christ I forgot all about the fetid lump of crap that is No Logo.

chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And people call ME picky! I would never (though then again never say never..) rule someone out based on a momentary aberration in a book / record shop or an ill-advised gift from a relative they hadn't got round to chucking out! It must be very nice to have so many offers that you can demand to examine their bookshelves for credibility before shagging them.

Emma, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have to say when I wrote No Logo I was thinking "but I probably wouldn't like them enough to go out with them anyway at this point, how did this relationship start" so I partly agree with Emma. But if the person was enthusing about something I hated then obviously that would be annoying.

But if their relatives are giving them dodgy books then who knows what they'll be giving you when they're your inlaws.

Ronan, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My point exactly.

Graham, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was just ranting about one of my pet hates.

chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That's always welcome. especially when no logo is concerned.

Ronan, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, fetid with it's own earnestness and self-importance..... and published by Murdoch (sorry Alang)

chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no worries. FWIW I don't think the book is anywhere as bad as you make out.

Alan T, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah Nologo may be wrong in a lot of places but it is also a good start of a conversation. Have to agree with Emma on this, and as someone who doesn't own many books I find Anna's point above a bit wierd. Books aren't things I really want to own and if I've read 'em once its unlikely that I'm going to read 'em again.

I'd dump someone for not being a memeber of a lending library though.

Pete, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's like the way the bible isn't that bad but religious fundamentalists sometimes are. Very like that.

Ronan, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ronan & Graham are the worryingly mercenary face of modern youth. 'Ha ha I am not going out with you, we might end up married and your auntie gives crap presents'.

Emma, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Emma I was aggreeing with YOU. I'm off to write a comedy timing solver for nu-ILX.

Graham, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm, I reckon at least 75% of the books I own were written by men.

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

mmm. management books are a turn on. turnoff: dave eggars.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hmm, i reckon that 75% of books EVAH were written by men. my bookselves are probably about 50-50.

katie, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

OHHH hahhaha, if they said 'oh yes and here is a website I think says really exciting things it is called PITCHFORK' I would hit them with a kipper and run away a pox on pitchfork.

Come ON pitchfork people I am bored do you want to start a FITE? Look I am using 'babyspeak', you hate that don't you???

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What aboout those "Chgicken Soup For..." books. Blah

brg30, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I ment "chicken"

brg30, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh GRR Sarah yawn.

Part of my saying I "can't justify" the thing about 95% female authors has to do with the fact that my bookshelves are ... err ... well maybe 85-90% male. I guess the difference I'd posit is that yeah, as Ktee says the canon is male-ish to begin with, so that doesn't require programmatic effort on my part. Whereas having 95%- female shelves implies some sort of systematic gender-preference. It's ... well ... I feel like I've met a decent number of women who appear to have this great love of literature but in fact just use literature as this incidental tool, or container, for the transmission of their real loves. Not that there's anything wrong with that, just that it doesn't fit well with the way I like to think about literature. And people with that framework are always ridigly opposed to admitting that that's just a personal framework, and not some objective value indicator.

nabisco, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Salinger. Garland. Easton Ellis. Teenage Fiction.

david h(0wie), Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha you're treading on thin ice nitsuh

Josh, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i have to admit, large fantasy collection = massive turnoff. this is no real slight against fantasy lovers, they make great friends, but i don't think i could date one of them.

i once stayed over in a friend's apartment, and on his roommate's bookshelf were four books:
The Idiot's Guide to New York City
The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men by Christina Hoff Sommers
Dave Eggars' latest masterpiece
9-11 ed. Jeff Mason

Can we say 'date rapist'?

Dave M., Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't understand what is wrong with Dave Eggars.

Two of my dearest friends have loads of fantasy novels, lots of John Norman (those horrid Gor novels) and Georgette Heyer, none of which I understand since they are lovely, interesting and intelligent people.

Hm. It looks like my plans to fix the lovely Katie up with the lovely Tim B will have to be shelved. (NB: there never were such plans, obviously. I say this as possibly the only person who knows both parties to the dispute.)

Martin Skidmore, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

God, Josh, you're basically right. Let's pretend I didn't reveal that. Like I said, it's intellectually indefensible but it's nevertheless just this thing.

nabisco, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anti-Eggars folks would be hard pressed to get a 20-something date in Manhattan. (If only I had this excuse.)

bnw, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave Eggars is a self-centered myopic author and a decent editor.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think I'd ever dump someone because of their taste in books. Seems a little silly. Like dumping someone because they were fond of eggs (OK, OK taste in books reveals a little more about the person i know but still...).

Matt, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

In My Collection there is Mein Kampf
All of Bret Easton Ellis
A cheapie ominbus of Anais Nin
Some Heinlein (Starship Troopers,Have spacesuit will travel)
The Celestine Prophecy
Margaret Thatcher's autobiography
three Nick Hornbys
a slew of communist stuff
Debret's Peerage
No Logo
Atlas Shrugged
Four Slang Dictionaries(Canuck,Oxford,Random House and one more)
Salinger(Catcher in the Rye, Frankie and Zoe)
The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men

anthony, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think yr pants are on fire

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

turnoffs: ayn rand, david sedaris

geeta, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom Robbins. BUH bye

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracer = painfully OTM.

bnw, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

anything that begins "Chicken Soup for the. . ."

Ms. S., Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I hope all this crit of Easton Ellis isn't cos you're "URRR YUK THAT'S DISGUSTING I CANNOT READ ANY MORE" people. Cos then you're twunts. If other reason then carry on.

I nominate Pratchett... surely girls do not read Pratchett?

Bob Zemko, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i wd date AONYONE i discovered had a collection of GOR novels in a MICROSECOND!!

ESPECIALLY IF THEY WERE A 32-foot INSECT-PRIEST obv!!!

mark s, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anti-Eggars folks would be hard pressed to get a 20-something date in Manhattan. (If only I had this excuse.)

...proving once again that the phrase 'i'm a 20-something living in manhattan' is inherently offensive.

In My Collection there is

yes anthony, but the fact that you have them ALL cancels out the other objections. btw, tell me you bought 'glamorama' on sale.

Dave M., Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Atlas Shrugged is a great book! Great! Great!

Maria, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Someone with one or more books by Tom Clancy on his shelf would have to have a darn good explanation.

A well-thumbed copy of something by de Sade would make me most apprehensive.

I'd have a hard time being civil to someone who reads the Left Behind books.

j.lu, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i didnt buy them.

anthony, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Atlas Shrugged is a great book!

Initially I read this as Atlas Shagged, and frankly that strikes me as a far greater work of art. :-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anti-Eggars [sic, it's EggErs, thank you very much] folks would be hard pressed to get a 20-something date in Manhattan.

I do not necessarily think this is true.

Literary turnoffs for me: Beats, mainly because thanks to the way culture goes now their attitudes, never really all that out there to begin with, turned trite in about 30 seconds. Also usually this taste-tic is accompanied by either lots of listening to Bob Marley (and no other reggae artist ever because why would you need anything when you have 'Legend"?) or some atrocious bark-metal group or five or six. Henry Rollins, because he's always gonna be one career step away from having gone into gym-teaching and his poetry suXor. Blake Nelson. Novelizations of any science fiction movies.

I'm also as a rule fairly put off when men have zero (or just, say, C. Hoff Sommers or Ann Coulter or Camille Paglia, when it's just her and no other woman I'm sorry, that is a huge red flag to me) female authors' books on their shelves. Which I think is much more of a common case than what you described up top. And I know I can wholly attribute this attitude to my running with this pretentious-boy crowd a couple of years ago that lived pretty much only to impress one another, and who liked to use the literature they were reading, some of which is by authors I think are okay like Ellis and Coupland and Lethem but all of which was exclusively by men, as 'signs' or 'branding' or other various forms of horseshit to justify the fact that they were misogynist, miserable snipes who couldn't relate to people on anything even approaching a human level, and I learned this the hard way when I moved so I could hang out with them more.

Uh, sorry, this turned into a bit more than the thread asked for there.

maura, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't have Atlas Shagged; do have The Fountainhead (it was a birthday gift; haven't read yet). I have three Ellis novels, one of which is Glamorama, but it was $3 in the bargain bin, so I couldn't pass it up. I have several communist-type books though I find myself getting bored with that stuff nowadays.

I try not to be a snob, but these are a few big turn-offs:

The Left Behind books. I work with a girl I generally like, except that these are the only books she's read since high school. Same goes for Celestine Prophecy. Is it better not to read at all?

Any poetry by any rock star - Morrison, Rollins et al. I admit I have Deborah Curtis's book with all of Ian's lyrics in the back, tho.

Most fantasy. I read so much of it when I was 12 that when I meet anyone my age (or older, gaaah) who still reads it I can't help but feel like they're trying to be like me when I was 12. Not cool.

Star Trek books. This makes me go into "Harlan Ellison" mode.

I notice no one said the Bible!

Justyn Dillingham, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Bible.

Dan I., Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i also would worry about someone who had tom robbins books (that said i own "even cowgirls", someone gave it to me cos i liked the movie but i wish i'd never ever read that horrible horrible book), and i would never date someone with camille paglia books. or for that matter anyone with anything about being a surrendured wife. and nothing remotely "men are from mars etc".
reasons why you should not date me = i own every Wheel of Time (robert jordan) book and am addicted to them = i am queen of TRASH!!!

di, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have... wait for it... a Blakes 7 episode guide. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!

alan i am unashamedly jealous!

di, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

that jls thing has made me relive the awful days of high school when everyone had to sing "lonely looking sky" for choral competeitions. arrrrrggggghhhh!

di, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cor Martin knows Tim B! does he like Hitler in real life, Martin?

katie, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Novelisations. Especially novelisations of films based on books (the most bizarre thing evah!).

If they didn'yt have a dictionary I'd worry. Indeed a well stocked reference shelf is very attractive.

Pete, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i am queen of TRASH!!!

Di - I think I can match. Has anyone ever heard of Louise Bagshaw? She is the high priestess of bonkbuster sex and shopping types. It's like Jackie Collins, but without the casual homophobia. Sometimes only tales of beautiful career girls in chocoIate lace underwear fighting off their rivals will do. I own five of her books. Only one of them came free on the cover of a magazine.

Anna, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Why have I just addmitted this?

Anna, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To make Alang feel less alone in his love for these books?

RickyT, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No secret is safe on ILE.

Ronan, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cor blimey yes, i just read one of those "chicklit" books called Talking To Addison (cannot remember name of author, sorry) and it is TERRIBLE! like bridget jones but *shudder* in EARNEST! yuk to the power of 398 (sorry anna/alang!)

katie, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, no. Louise Bagshaw is not chicklit in the moany female sense. It is all just shagging and designer clothes. I too hate all the Marian Keys/ Freya North gubbins.

Anna, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I loved Talking to Addison!! it was grebt. I don't care to read a "bonkbuster" -- as I find descriptions of sex in these things risible*, but i love all that coy "oo, does he fancy me stuff" you get in marian keyes and Jenny Colgan. I have just picked up a Jennifer Beale -- anyone read her stuff? sounds good from the blurb.

*cliterati do that so much better!

Alan T, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i own every Wheel of Time (robert jordan) book and am addicted to them

Actually, among a certain contingent your dateability has now just skyrocketed. :-) Though Tim F. would be an exception due to obvious reasons.

Trash fantasy is my own enjoyable indulgence. Dennis McKiernan? Megahack with those first novels of his -- and yet I own them! Dog-eared used copies for about a buck each, sure, but still.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

HEH Alang, after you left Xcom we met a gurl who worked fot that website who was stonkingly drunk and trying to talk about linux workgroups for wimmin (or something) and enthusing that finally she found someone other females in IT, ha ha ha I WAS AN IMPOSTER. I can't remember but I may have stared blankly and then gone "YES BUT WOT OF FORTH EH? IT is like PROGRAMMING... but... on.....

ACID!!!!!

". She earned stonking grebt big wedges of cash as I recall. Not fair. Why am I still on 7.50p/h.

Sarah, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Xcom? was that the NTK thingy?

Alan T, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There are no books that act as any sort of turnoff for me - unless someone owns a Bible, Talmud, Koran, Veda, Masora, Alcoran, Tripitaka, Eddas, Book of Mormon, and/or anything published by Watch Tower and actually believes a singles word it/they say.

It concerns me, Di, that you would find Camille Paglia books a turnoff. That you do not like what she has to say is apparent, but how did you discover that unless you read her stuff? Wouldn't you find someone being well read and well informed a turnon rather than a turnoff?

toraneko, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sophie's World. On the Road. Possession. I've only read the first of these. And it was OK really. But it would be an annoying book for her to love. I mean it's for kids.

N., Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Alang: AYE!

Sarah, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, Katie, I know Tim B - have done for twenty odd years and he is one of my best friends. It is odd watching the interaction here: Tim seems not to grasp tact and therefore offends people who don't know him. His old friends make allowances and know he is a lovely man really. Actually, I have a notion that you might live quite near each other, but this depends on my almost certainly false idea that I know what area you live in, Katie - Tim's email gives away that he is based in Ilford and I have the idea that you said something about Ilford too (working in a pub there, maybe?).

Martin Skidmore, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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