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I am re reading Fanny Hill and it seems laugably mechanical. No foreplay and not alot of varration. This seems to be the same feelings i have for Henry Miller and other Male Heterosexual porn i have read. Am I wrong.

― anthony, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It may be that these are primitive writers (I include Miller) from before the days when women taught us about foreplay. I don't read much porn, but having viewed a fair range, I wouldn't have said that the several varieties are much different in their range of actions and patterns. I get pretty bored with watching the same things structurally, albeit with different actors and settings, whether it's straight MF or bi MFF or bi MMF or lesbian or gay (I have watched and enjoyed them all) - they all have their own patterns, and only a small selection each.

― Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

alien porn is better: tentacles

― mark s, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't all porn 'male'? Has there ever been such a thing as 'Female Porn', ie pornography made specifically for women, gay or straight?

― stevo, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't know. porns doesn't interest me. i prefer to use my imagination, no-one knows what i like better than i do!

― di, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think there is such a thing as smut literature aimed at women.

yes, of course there is - those black silhouette books, or whatever they are called. I've also heard it said that those Sweet Savagey/Bodice rippers fulfill the same role for women as smutlit aimed at men.

I would be surprised if there was no smutlit aimed at lesbians.

― DV, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There is definitely female 'erotica'. In terms of photographic pornography, presumably at least some of the audience for Playgirl is female.

I once read one of my older sister's romance novels - a Beatrice Small one I think - and was quite surprised by the heavy sexual content. It didn't just stop at "engorged member" and such stuff either; there were graphically detailed sex scenes, s/m and fetishes, lesbian bondage action, group scenes, gang rape... For an innocent eleven year old it was pretty full on.

― Tim, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This explains why you've become the heavily tattooed shagmonster you are, Tim. Er, wait.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

SHAGMONSTAH!!!

― Chupa-Cabras, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To anyone who says that there is no female pornography, I point them in the direction of the entire fan fiction genre.

It's only men who dress their porn up as hoity-toity Literature. Women just like their smut cheap and tawdry, bodice rippers, Hollywood Wives and Slash.

Or, if you were going to read it in a feminist sense (tho most feminists would like to deny existence of female porn, because females are not exploitative, supposedly) you would say male porn=art, female porn=dismissed.

I've seldom read male porn or erotica that actually turned me on.

― kate, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There was an Add N To [X] video that puported to Female Porn - made by and for women. It immediately raised the ire of every self-styled moral crusader in the area. There was an article on Bleedmusic but my bookmark for it is hopelessly outmoded and 404d.

Male porn = established form. Female porn = unexpected, and therefore deviant.

― petra jane, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

tho most feminists

please amend this to "some feminists". most feminists would disagree with mackinnon or dworkin or whoever formulated the idea that women aren't exploitative.

― di, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

isn't there a whole booming genre out there - is it called slash? - of fictional stories on the web that is aimed at young girls but is actually describing sex acts between two *guys* ? i think it's japanese, and it's supposed to be really popular. gives the femaes a sense of control, etc. - to not have to read of any female involvement

― V, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Er, what di said.

Lesbian (feminist!) smut = On Our Backs and How to Fuck in High Heels.

― rosemary, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"This explains why you've become the heavily tattooed shagmonster you are, Tim. Er, wait. "

Well, how do you know I'm not one of... um... those...?

― Tim, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Virgin had gay and lesbian erotica, and last week i went to the launch of a friend's new lesbian erotica imprint. marvellous stuff. they were advertising (at the launch) the first porn video made by lesbians for lesbians.

― Alan T, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Slash started out as Startrek stuff but is now big with nearly all shows with a strong following. The term started out as referring to romantic fanfic featuring two men (Spock/Kirk), but now that there are more strong female characters there is just as much two women stuff - especially Buffy/Faith, Buffy/Willow, Faith/Cordelia etc. and most Slash sites these days include opposite sex pairings too.

There is so much nudity in fashion mags these days that I reckon they could be considered a form of female porn.

― toraneko, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

see! i knew what i was talkin' about

― V, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

toraneko is korrekt: however there is a persistent legend that the actual first babysteps were taken not with k/s but with s/h: viz starsky and hutch slash

― mark s, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The female 'erotica' book line that DV refers to upthread was called 'Black Swan' (dunno if they're still going or not - think so...) In the mid-late '90s J*hn Br*wn Publishing were thinking of doing a mag versh of 'Black Swan' and they did some market research into the subject. They found that - surprise - an awful lot of blokes also bought the Black Swan bks, but that women generally did prefer text/stories to pics/vids. It certainly seems that, non-het lesbian fuck flicks apart, 'female friendly' vid porn (Candida Royale et al) has never really caught on, whereas slash fic - where the majority of readers/writers are women - continues to grow.

― Andrew L, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

of fictional stories on the web that is aimed at young girls

Change aimed at to written by, and you've just about got it right.

― kate, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

D'OH. When I say 'Black Swan' I mean 'Black Lace'. I think Black Swan are some kind of sub-Picador arty lit pbk imprint.

― Andrew L, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...but didn't they do the Wyndham Lewis catalogue? Blast!

― Dave M., Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To anyone who says that there is no female pornography, I point them in the direction of the entire fan fiction genre.
Let's go make some MANLUV Julian.

― Mr Noodles, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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