When a man loves a woman.

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I found that people act revolted when a man wants love. They think it's creepy. Is it too "feminine"? Is it too "Needy?" ................

Chief White Lotus, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

chief white lotus you haf clearly taken sarah's rejection pretty badly.

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Chief, you need to stop and think a moment longer. What does a man do when he "wants love"? Is it always the same thing, as if all men were factory robots incapable of acting differently? No. Clearly that is not true. Men act in many, many different ways - including what they do when they want love.

So, in light of this new information, perhaps the people who were acting revolted were not responding to all men who want love, but specifically to how you acted in this specific instance when you wanted love. It is worth your consideration.

Next, you may wish to consider whether all people react uniformly to the same individual, as if there were only one possible light in which to view that person's actions and only one possible response. Once again, it is clear that this is not the case.

Perhaps it would repay your effort to examine once more how you chose to act, and how other people reacted to it, with especial attention to the chance, the merest possibility, that the collective judgement of the group who responded to you might have some validity. Might even, indeed, have some wisdom.

What could it hurt?

Little Nipper, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hey clief lotus but men act the same way! see that thread about flirting and all that talk of "the look" that a woman supposedly gives when shes truly into you etc. i don't think "the look" exists at all personally, i think theres a fair amount of projection of what women want going on.

di, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Though it is fair to assume that I was refering to myself as the man people found repulsive, it really isn't so. I never really want love from girls, though sometimes I come off that way. At that point, it's always a lost cause and I abandon ship.

Actually, thats not entirely true. I was on Road Rules, and they edited my character to appear to REALLY want love, when in fact I did not. My hormones got the best of me a bit, but over all, It was I whom had to dust away the ladies. Well..sorta. But back to the point, they even went as far to edit dialouge abou my dead dad and crazy brother in such away that it appeared to be about my feeling towards one paticular girl on the show!S

So it is a little personal, though I tend to seperate peoples opinion of my character from myself pretty well, ususally. Kinda usually.

Oops. I just remembered. The only thing more repulsive than a man that wants love is a man who's trying to look like he doesn't want love but does actually want love.

So I guess I just got more repulsive all of you. Shit.

But anyway, the specific examples I mean are these. A friend of mine got kicked out of his band because he sang a song called "I just wanted to be loved" and all the girls left. All the men just looked down in collective shame.He was a handsome bloke too, popular with the ladies when he wasn't wanting love. And the part in Swingers where the guy makes to many calls in a row. If a girl did that to a guy, it would be cute and indearing, like "Oh gee, she really hasn't learned how to be sophisticated like Julia Louis Dreyfus yet". But in that movie, with a male performing the deed, it's awkward and painful.

Just picture this, a man stands in the center of a road and yells "Love me!" Lets just say the man is...Jimmy Stewart. Creepy? Yes. If a woman did the same thing... a woman like... lets say.. Candice Bergin. Wacky and Charming.

I mean, it obviously boils down to the fact that men are suppose to be tricky and manipulitive in order to have attractive personailties, and women are suppose to be forth coming and tactless. I mean, if women DON'T want love, then they seem cold and dumpy. It cuts both ways.............................................

Chief White Lotus, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely only the internet is the way for the most noble lovers to profess to each other the unmistakable rash of hunger for the joy of cheek in heart!

mike hanle y, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

On the theory that "the best way to make a friend is to be a friend", wouldn't it follow that the best way to put the make on a woman is to put a bee on a woman? Or perhaps that should be, the best way to make a woman put out is to put her out? Something along those lines, at least.

Aimless, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

CWL - you are still sad.

DV, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sooner we move the better, the fucking weirdo ratio around here has gone through the roof, even moreso than when that last troll thread was started.

Ronan, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's going to be like the Amityville Horror though, isn't it? The sweaty pervs will follow us wherever we go.

DV, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"I was on Road Rules"

- isn't this kind of um, like something anyone can claim these days? "Oh yeah I was on that TV show"

Well if so - if you don't care, that is - which season and which character were you? It's probably crossing the boundary of privacy to ask but if you really cared about privacy you might not have brought it up..

V, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dirty Vicar, you only make yourself the fool. Why attack? You are no fun.

I was on season five of Road Rules. I was the good looking one. And yes, many people have been on the show now. Before, I felt like a free mason. Now I feel like a boy scout.

Chief White Lotus, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

EXCELLENT! Jon, Dan or Noah is an ILX regular! Perhaps you can explain why there have been 8 million Real World reunions and zero Road Rules reunions? (Also, have you met Chadwick and is he actually a pathological liar or just extremely Internet-unsavvy?)

Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(Actually, you must have met Chadwick; didn't you guys do some type of competition-mission with the Australia crew? I distinctly remember Kefla and Roni making googly-eyes at each other and neither of them has come back for a challenge.)

Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As an aside, I keep reading the subject of this thread as "Where a man loves a woman," which an entirely different topic altogether.

Mark, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Given that the email address is jon_holmes, I'm guessing he's Jon. Sophisticated Deductions R Us.

Martin Skidmore, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I bet he's the Cowboy from season one in NY.

Chris, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

See, normally I would have gotten that, but I thought the email address was a reference to the porn star. It was custom-designed to throw me off the track!

Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps that is part of the reason I have gotten a less that stellar reception on theis thread. Jon Holmes is my real name, Jonathan as opposed to the other one, John. I must seem like a creepy porn lover.

And I'm not the Cowboy. And chadiwick is a weird guy. Seems like a prick, but I only met him three times.

chief white lotus, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You must have come across as fairly normal to me, because what I remember of your season was Anne constantly getting hurt (and looking too much like Nancy Kerrigan, heh) and the whole Dan/Tara thing. Oh, and Roni being shuffled off into the background by the producers like many black castmates before her and afterwards.

Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Oh gee, she really hasn't learned how to be sophisticated like Julia Louis Dreyfus yet".

Sorry, I just reread this and am now too busy rolling with hysterical laughter to continue either the love discussion or the Road Rules discussion. Will attempt to regain composure (and stop talking about Road Rules) later...

Dan Perry, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks for the laughter.

Well, the last girl I was dating hadn't seen the show until a few months into the relationship. Then there was a marathon. She told me "It's a good thing I never saw that befor eI met you". I replied "Why, did I look bad?". Her response "I don't want to talk about it. Lets just say you looked different.

She broke up with me last week.

Anywya, I did like Anne, but not as much as it looked like. That's where the "tears about my family edited to look like tears over girl" comes in. I never cried about anne. It was pretty much purely physical attraction, not much emotional connection with her. I mean, shes nice enough, just not my type.

Infact, I had a girlfriend at the time, who actually visited me during shooting, but they edited her out to make me look more love needy. It was even in that weeks t.v. guide, that "Jon's girlfriend pays a visit" but they edited her out at the last second.

chief White Lotus, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jon. Your destiny is to walk blithely into danger without the slightest offending desire in your skeleton. You seek to pat on head and sit happily with jolly freinds, yet you are dumped in the soot instead. You and Jonathon Richmond, two Massachusetts innocents, lost in a hard world full of people who dont show affection.

mike hanle y, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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