Eminem-My Name Is, slightly dated?

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Heard this last night on EMTV and as much as I liked it back then it struck me just how much better his rapping became by the second album, is it because of how much more caustic and cutting he became that My Name Is now sounds like a quirky pop record? In this sense he outdid himself a bit maybe? Like for example the "ask him if he bought a porno mag to see my ass" diss seems very chirpy and watery when compared to the later disses at his dad.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

i dunno about "dated" but his voice has changed. it's less squeaky, and more throaty. if that is a word.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 13:27 (twenty-three years ago)

He's also, by his own account, become a better rapper -- learned how to work with and against the beat, etc. Definitely if you put "My Name Is" up against, say, "Business," you can hear a big difference. Still love "My Name Is," though.

― Jesse Fox (Jesse Fox), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, and also, he sucks.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)

What a witty remark, I bet you bring the house down when joking alone.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I rock, just like Hans Blix/all you wack MCs tryin' to learn to my tricks

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

The only people who think Eminem has skillz are people who hate hip hop. He is to rap what Shania Twain is to country.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:04 (twenty-three years ago)

We've lost another one over the board cap'n

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)

horace is really rockin the foundations of the critical establishment with these ultra-radical ideas!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

right, because the critical establishment really fucking cares about Eminem. He will leave no trace. Talk to me in 8 years.
No rapper, not even LL has been able to seriously sustain a career. Today's thug is tomorrow's Richard Belzer sidekick.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

there he goes again!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

You want the full meal deal? Buy my books. You want off-the-cuff pithiness (and pissiness), welcome to ILM

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

"welcome"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:16 (twenty-three years ago)

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

― Trollwatchers Inc, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

dont blame ILM for you being a humorless twat horace, that's hardly fair, especially when you consider what a humorless twat you are.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

when it first came out my friend magda and i could not work out what he was saying, we eventually settled on 'slam zany' i think, it was the fremme neppa venette of 1999.
i think chirpy eminem is my favourite kind tho

― minna (minna), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

"Today's thug is tomorrow's Richard Belzer sidekick."
Humorless you say?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

What books, Horace?

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

"Today's thug is tomorrow's Richard Belzer sidekick."
Ned Beatty was a thug?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:35 (twenty-three years ago)

CHILL OUT!

― Arnie (James Blount), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I prefer him when he mixes the chirpy with the other, obvious but perhaps too simple analysis being cleaning out my closet era=too dark, Stan era=happy medium, my name is era=slightly too chirpy.

That's my opinion anyway.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

tom, i can think you can sub in any "classic rock-write books"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

J-J-Jim DeRogatis? Posting to MY LITTLE BOARD??? It's an honour, Sir!

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)

We're gonna need a bigger boat.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

If only all his songs were "The Mushroom Song"...the pinnacle of his abilities, if'n you ask me.

Which you didn't, but hey, whatevah!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

he used to rap like a five year old. now he raps like a ten year old. an improvement is an improvement.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

(julio is obv dave tompkins in disguise)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

and eminem has never, to my knowledge, idiotically equated the selling of britney spears records to 14-year-olds with rape.

― Robbie Turner, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

no, but the super silent six remix on the white label is da shit. word.

― robotman, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

julio did you try listening to him a second time?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

(doomie that's the exact same joke I made on your wonderwall thread, this teacher says "must try harder")

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what a remarkable little ten year old.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

how did you guess jessica?!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

why are you buggin'. dude just chill out and enjoy some of those irish rays. : - ) word.

― robotman, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah he certainly whipes the floor with lil bow wow, though I fail to see the similarities stylistically. Julio?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd compare him to mozart actually.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

one of either mack daddy or daddy mack are better

― minna (minna), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

(not true)

― minna (minna), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

(y'know, just making sure...)

― minna (minna), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

not dated, because it sounded crappy to me and it sounds crappy now. wonky beat, weak jokes. i'm still amazed that shit launched his career, and that he doesn't get more shit about it (although i will give him credit for saying he hates the track himself).

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

The beat still sounds great I think - there's a few dancehall tracks that use it and it's always thrilling. Eminem's rhymes sound really slow now but I still like the track.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 18:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I've recently realized my main problem with Em is also my main problem with Zack de la Rocha...all songs are about the same damn thing.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd never even heard Em until I moved to a bigger city recently and they play about six songs off Eminem Show pretty darn frequqently, plus the inescapable L0SE Y0URSELF. Then someone played My Name Is and, it's different. Silly. Sounds like music I would make.

― Fivvy, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

didn't lil bow wow change his name?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

"The only people who think Eminem has skillz are people
who hate hip hop."

Very unusual statement, and decidedly not true. Eminem has
wide acceptance - from not only critics, but from other
MC's and grassroots hip-hop fans - you know, those
people on the subway with huge headphones.

As for "My Name Is" being dated? Nah, not really.
I listened to it yesterday and it's still one of
my favorite Eminem tracks. Sure, it's goofy, but
Eminem never came up with a better chorus (with
the possible exception of "Criminal"), and
the music is perfect: thudding, twiddly funk
that demands attention.

My overall thoughts on Eminem: he's a good MC, with many
great songs, but overall he's inconsistent. He's best
when trying to be funny or vicious, but his serious
songs tend to bore me.

― Squirlplise, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:51 (twenty-three years ago)

And let's keep things in perspective - the song is only 4
years old. It's an eternity for the Internet, true, but
it's not that long for the music biz. Heck, it's not unusual
for major bands to go longer than that long between new albums,
though independant artist's continue to release a new album
every year or so, often of consistent quality.

― Squirlplise, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

"The only people who think Eminem has skillz are people
who hate hip hop."

Yeah, seriously Horace, where did you come up with *this* one?! It's okay to not like him, but don't be an offensive prick!

― Clarke B., Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)

"No rapper, not even LL has been able to seriously sustain a career."

?????

― Clarke B., Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, I went looking for a fight posting that on IL-Em...but really, what is it about Eminem that makes him any better than say, Kool Keith (who has an extremely similar rhyming style and zero grammys)?

And really, who in rap has been able to sustain a career more than tokenly? Even just take this as a purely poppist question, who in hip hop has been able to consistently chart for more than a few albums?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Er. Dre springs immediately to mind.

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

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I think the thing is that the hip-hop audience always wants the fresh sound. That's built into the music's competitive, battle aesthetic. It's important to name-check your forebears in hip-hop, but you better not sound like them.

This I don't agree with. I think this is a pop impulse (which its fair enough to discuss when we're talking about Eminem), rather than a hip-hop one. If this was true, Jurassic 5 (and Blackalicious and People Under The Stairs and etc) wouldn't sell any records. The "latest! greatest! up to datest!" movement seems to be the principal driving factor behind mainstream chart music at the moment (it may have always been so, I'm not too sure about this).

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe as a plastic-wigged nemesis to Neo in Matrix 4?

I am quite down with the idea of Kool Keith killing Keanu Reeves. On or offscreen.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

"First you dismiss Redman cos your dad hasn't heard of him (ie, he's not a star)."

I don't think that was a dismissal so much as an observation that Redman has yet to achieve a level of success/greatness/prominece comparable to, once again, Bowie or Madonna (who I'd reckon everyone's Dad has heard of).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

My dad owns Outkast albums. Of course, my dad's as weird as I am.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant he was dismissing Redman's place on a list of hip-hoppers with sustained careers, nitpicker...

― Ben Williams, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Assuming that everyone's dad has heard of David Bowie is a pretty huge leap, IMO. What one person finds ubiquitous and over-arching is almost guaranteed to not even register as a blip on SOMEONE'S radar (and I'm talking about people who live in the expected demographic, not someone living a hermit's life on top of a remote mountain).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Do Blackalicious and People Under The Stairs sound like old hip-hop? Haven't really listened to 'em much; what I've heard of Blackalicious doesn't sound particularly retro.

Jurassic 5 are the obvious name to haul out when you're talking about retro--ie, the exception the proves the rule (and even there, I liked what Harry Allen wrote about them recently, where he said they were finding out "What's possible when you have the manpower equivalent of two Run-D.M.C.s onstage at once?")

― Ben Williams, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

"Assuming that everyone's dad has heard of David Bowie is a pretty huge leap, IMO"

I'm not suggesting that the average Dad could debate the sonic nuances rife within the remastered version of DIAMOND DOGS, but simply that they're likely to have at the very least *HEARD HIS NAME* before.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I repeat: "Assuming that everyone's dad has heard of David Bowie is a pretty huge leap, IMO".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:36 (twenty-three years ago)

And I repeat back: I'm not suggesting that the average Dad could debate the sonic nuances rife within the remastered version of DIAMOND DOGS, but simply that they're likely to have at the very least *HEARD HIS NAME* before.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a fucking Moebius loop of a thread! "There is a theory..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

There are huge swaths of America where it wouldn't surprise me at all if they'd never heard of David Bowie (I grew up in a town like this).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:43 (twenty-three years ago)

That's why he's afraid of America.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Changin' gears...

I see Eminem quickly becoming like Lenny Bruce in LB's final performing days when he would just go onstage and read the transcripts from his obscenity trials. Eminem seems to really buy into his own cult of personality and believe that "his public" cares about every little detail of his nonspectacular life. "Cleaning Out My Closet"??? Come on! What's next, a rap about how math was hard for him?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

horace and alex's rock-write sincerity is inspiring

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

"stan" is the best song abt the artist-audience relationship i've ever come across

what's wrong with a song abt why maths wz hard for him? if it works, it works

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

"stan" is the best song abt the artist-audience relationship i've ever come across

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH.

Sorry. No need to repeat my full feelings about Eminem here, but this is my candidate for the most overrated song of the last five years...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)

the song is abt you and me ned, how can u deny this?

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

PS On the thread topic, I don't really have an opinion on Eminem, but I liked Kelefa Sanneh's New Yorker review of his last album last year, in which Sanneh talked about how Eminem's old stuff seemed so representative of the excess of the late 90s boom era, and asked whether it was too soon to be nostalgic for it yet...

― Ben Williams, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:20 (twenty-three years ago)

the song is abt you and me ned, how can u deny this?

Your fan letters to me were far more coherent.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:20 (twenty-three years ago)

"What's next, a rap about how math was hard for him?"

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahaha.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)

But David Bowie pranced around in Pepsi ads. Before they'd let just anybody do it!

Back on track:

artistically, but not commercially

Slim Shady LP=Dirty Mind (in which we truly introduce the new freek of the week)

Marshall Mathers LP=Controversy (where the story gets further fucked, and celebrity status comes into play)

Eminem Show=1999 (lyrically becoming a bit redundant, but the beats growing in idiosyncratic power)

8 Mile=Puprle Rain (moviewise, if IMO, not album quality-wise. I'll say "Lose Yourself" is his "When Doves Cry" in that both songs represented the artist's cry for Sympathy as opposed to the artist just thrusting their perversity at us. But in no way do I prefer the music of "Lose Yourself")

If this trend continues then Eminem's Around The World In A Day is right around the corner. Yow!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)

'stan' really works!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

If this trend continues then Eminem's Around The World In A Day is right around the corner. Yow!

I'd prefer his Jobriath move. Not necessarily separated at birth, but if you squint...

http://championstudios.net/jobriath/cover.jpg

http://zavarka.com/picture/eminem/1.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Come on Alex you don't actually find that funny do you? I mean that's a pretty poor joke by any standards.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, it struck me a funny, sorry Mr.Po-face. I also think there's some truth behind the statement. If Eminem doesn't try something new/different on his next track (beyond how the world is out to get him and how shitty his private life is), I anticipate a nation yawning at him.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony, are you intentionally ignoring the two Prince albums before _Dirty Mind_?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)

sorta. Prince qua Prince (ooh, I sound like Christgau) isn't really as evident on those albums. Also the analogy doesn't work as well then.

For the hell of it, let's say the first two albums are Eminem's indie stuff. Before Eminem as we know him and Prince as we know him were truly defined.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

the slim shady ep = just about the same em we know now!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Someone could probably argue that for the "Prince" album too. Leave my analogy alone, you fiends! Yer just jealous!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

If Eminem does an Under the Cherry Moon style thing featuring him in the south of France filmed in black and white with a trembling sexually ambiguous persona *and* releases a single as mighty as "Kiss" to go along with it, then you will clearly rule.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

you may have to settle for his 8-Mile follow-up being merely a blatantly insane and indulgent piece of puffery (With a kickass single, that we can only PRAY samples the beat from "Kiss" - Jesus, Eminem rapping over that beat...ahhhhhhhh). But we can't expect the analogy to fit as tightly as your undeniably valid desire.

And where the fuck IS Jerome Benton these days? I miss him. I can't believe Kristin Scott-Thomas's career survived Cherry Moon and Benton's didn't.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

we can only PRAY samples the beat from "Kiss" - Jesus, Eminem rapping over that beat...ahhhhhhhh

Bootleggers, on your marks!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Eminem doesn't deal very well with syncopation.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)

(In his beats, that is; his delivery is already syncopated to the point that putting a syncopated beat under him wouldn't work.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, lately his beats have like no syncopation, they're like glum marches for him to tangle his words around with steadily rising minor chord strings and pianos. sort of like a hollywood RZA getting off the treadmill to climb a mountain if that makes any sense at all.

― Honda (Honda), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

syncopawha? I want Eminem rappin' over "Kiss!" I WANNIT! I WANNIT! *tears at bib, slams plate against table, gets psghetti all over the place*

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

*points, laughs* Immature wittle BABY. *adjusts bib and eats zwieback*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree that Eminem is terribly self-involved, but the question we really should be asking is whether he'll just be a footnote to my career, or whether he'll turn out to be central to it.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 1 February 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

here's his take, transcribed from his latest online-only track:

"who the fuck is this bitch called Kogan?
ridin' Em's jock must be his slogan!
don't got a clue so I'll give you one
you look like the guy from the Scorpions!
he thinks I'm a prude just tryin to be rude
with my punk attitude...I didn't ask ya dude!
say what you say but gay is gay
and he's from San Francisco so hey hey hey!
Village Voice critics always up in my grill
I'm father of the year (nerd voice: but he says he's gonna kill!)
I just might in the middle of the night
thanks to Mutherfuck Eddy, you boho suburbanite!
But between all this porn it's hard to read the text!
they're lucky...or else this Christgau'd be next!
Give me an A-minus...my shit's an a-plus!
I'll put my foot in your ass. Now please: discuss!
Pazz'n'jop...I love you. ha ha."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

You need to be his songwriter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 February 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

(I can't believe I missed a chance to defend Trent.) (Also: is there anybody around who isn't a footnote next to Em right now?) (Did we have a 50 cent thread?)

― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 1 February 2003 23:08 (twenty-three years ago)

On a side not, don't you think Trent should cover "Cry Me a River"? C'mon, beefed up a bit, that track would make a fine addition to the NIN canon. Can't you just hear him slaughtering the "DAMAGE IS DONE, SO I GUESS I'LL BE LEAVIN'" bit? I can.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 February 2003 23:16 (twenty-three years ago)

just spent the evening with my best lesb pal l., whose partner d = unexpectedly devoted em fan

l. said how much — not much thinking she wd — she LOVED 8 mile, not least cz of how GAY it wz: i said, you mean like it's basically a judy garland plot and she said NO SHE HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT BUT THAT'S TRUE TOO, and reeled off abt ten grebt gay things abt it

so anyway the north london queer massive, aged punkah division, say reprazent, i guess

(later on she called van morrison "a stinking black hole of negative energy")

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 01:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm with the Morrison comment there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 February 2003 02:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I only listen to dated music. The other stuff is too indistinctive.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 2 February 2003 04:44 (twenty-three years ago)

"One Chord Wonders" is WAY better than "Stan," Mark.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 2 February 2003 06:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Trent's come awful close to making "cry me a river" already. Unfortunately he chickens out and goes for the Big Black guitar attack or his goth poetry chapbook.

― bnw (bnw), Sunday, 2 February 2003 06:44 (twenty-three years ago)

And that's a problem?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 February 2003 08:20 (twenty-three years ago)

ok i dont know if anybody is still reading this thread but ronan its only '...porno mag to see my ass' in the mtv/radio version, the actual rhyme is 'tell him that i slit his throat in this dream i had'!!

― xx, Sunday, 2 February 2003 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

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