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What does anybody make of this?

― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't help wondering whether this person's perceived class envy/rage is more a matter of perception than actual differing classes, and would question how he/she became an authority on the socioeconomic backgrounds of so many of his/her fellow concertgoers.

― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 14:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's kind of funny, in a "emo Holden Caufield" sorta way.

― Gage-o, Wednesday, 30 October 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

They hate self-celebration, they hate glitz, they hate FUN

:-)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 14:50 (twenty-three years ago)

camber sands playpen incident

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow, this is Vice-ified "indie suX0rz!" boosheet, only with boring booze hedonism and "you're ugly I'm not" dongstroking in place of anything that actually, well, means something. It's been said before on this board a lot more clearly and a lot less obnoxiously.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 14:56 (twenty-three years ago)

It strikes me that most people who really hate indie kids are clever enough not to go to All Tomorrow's Parties.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 14:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually the article starts here which does make it a bit clearer. And hell, that Barry Hogan blurb would send me into a frothing rage, too.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

wow, what a miserable bastard.. I don't care at all if he doesn't like the scene, but when I have a scene I can't stand, I don't go right into the throbbing heart of it.

the other thing is, he barely talked about the music... me mentioned seeing Shellac, but then talked about people only taking pictures of albini (but somehow it was OK to do that, and the bassist was just whiny for pointing that out)

I think there's people who just want to complain about everything, and they will.. what sad sad people...

But that Barry Hogan blurb *was* lame...

― tinobeat (tinobeat), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:04 (twenty-three years ago)

The article was penned by a Mr A. Alphabet; ligger, wigger and man about Camden. The only thing this chap is an authority on is 'how to be obnoxious.' I doubt even he would refute this. His band Crack Village [a white boy rap collective notable only for the involvement of Ray Winstone's daughter] are getting increasingly disturbing amounts of exposure. He is clearly a fule. Still, fairplay - he's out there doing what he wants to do. I just wish he wouldn't relentlesly go on about it in such a Shoreditch wannabe way.

― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:06 (twenty-three years ago)

This is that website's logo:
http://146.101.136.53/images/fuzzyheadblack.gif
Anti-Pop Consortium are SO gonna sue them.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:06 (twenty-three years ago)

tom nailed it.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I could never figure this site out... I'm still convinced that it's just a front for publicity about bands: the promotions-masquaraded-as-hip-webzine thing. It would sort of explain the anti-indie hate. Instant cred!

― Aaron W, Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Roger you have typed his name: time until this thread gets googled by Mr Alphabet himself=T minus two weeks

― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

But are we scared of him?

― alext (alext), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:37 (twenty-three years ago)

o yes because those of us with indie leanings will sure get called out for the cruel joyless bastards we secretly love to be

― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

yes yes but RAY WINSTONE'S DAUGHTER!!

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Uh-oh.

― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Is that the rusted crank of a can of worms being opened?

― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

get...back...in...the...can!

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I was wearing red Wu Wear tracksuit trousers, and orange vest, orange Nike slip-ons and an orange tracksuit top. A chain, a knuckleduster.

this bit made me laugh, in relation to what tom said. how long before he inspires his own comic strip?

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread title makes me think of Chasing Amy.

"What's a krautrock?"

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

This column made me feel ill:

http://www.playlouder.com/feature/613weekender45/

― alext (alext), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I can not put my reaction to that column into words. I will instead opt for a handy visual aid:
http://neight.netfirms.com/regal.jpg

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

The part where the alleged '60s-wannabe sez "Really Eminem?" is however most classic

― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Ick. Do we really want to hear about some Lester Bangs wannabe toolin' for a warm teabag? Euuuwwww.

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

what nate didn't say. (is that the same writer?)

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I was happily ensconced in the pub, cheers, chatting with people, drinking untold quantities of beer and rum, and chewing on half tablets of ecstasy.

This sentence actually pains me to read.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, there's something self-defeating about this: "Oh indie kids are loathesome, so I'm going to center my entire persona on beating them at the main things -- confidence, hedonism, rap music -- they're allegedly worst at." It's like the whole line about indie needing a stable mainstream to rail against and opposite itself to: if all these loathesome indie kids actually disappeared, it sounds like Alphabet would just be another obnoxious twat with nothing to say.

(Also he wants to see Low = he clearly isn't as bothered by indie introversion as he'd like to think.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

(In other words, it's a pretty lame victory to say "these people are awful and identical, please congratulate me for doing the opposite and feeling cooler than them.")

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

lets just hope that indie rage does not become indie guilty (part II) or somefink.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

or indie guilt heh.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Yep, there is always a noticable minority of London media twuntery at All Tomorrows Parties, barging past people, shouting at bar people while they try to do their job - and who are working very long hours as I found out from someone who was woeking behind the bar last year who I went to school with - basically being the obnoxious miserable, self obsessed, cunts that I'm sure you recognise from a certain section of Londoners. Hopefully this one won't be there next year, but no doubt he'll probably lig his way in.

The pub, of course is always the best part of All Tomorrows Parties, especially the DJ from Rough Trade who plays all the fly tunes around midnight. My girlfreind and I were enjoying ourselves so much last year that we didn't realise that Kim Deal was dancing next to us all night.

Who's going next year then? And is anyone going to the Matt Groening curated one in the states? That sounds like it could be fun, but a little out of my price range.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, reading it from the start, he does make a good point, the one thing that annoys me about ATP is the guy Barry who is the organiser, and his twattish, blinkered, comments. Usually slagging off bands he doesn't like and usually about bands who have songs with hooks (my interpretation).

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

What's the betting Mr Alphabet ends up writing for the UK edition of Vice?

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

how long before he inspires his own comic strip?

word is, Channel 4 have some kind of Alphabet-related show in development...although the boy may have bene lying.

Check this out tho, kids: www.crackvillage.com/

for it is he...I saw their first gig, and the poor lad threw up into his Spiderman mask, while wearing it. Bless. Crazy music, v entertaining inna V/Vm-meets-Wu-Tang stylee.

― Charlie (Charlie), Thursday, 31 October 2002 00:12 (twenty-three years ago)

shit.

http://www.crackvillage.freeservers.com/

― Charlie (Charlie), Thursday, 31 October 2002 00:12 (twenty-three years ago)

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